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Yet another benefit of leasing on motorbility
You can do your sums from day 1 and not be concerned about how much it may or may not sell for
Yup, it does not affect us at all.
But still there are the camps who hate EV;s and love their V8’s…very soon to be in the minority.
In Europe, there will be no petrol or diesel vehicles in a few years.
I am not so sure of that China is working on Ammonia powered combustion engine and as we know BMW and Toyota on Hydrogen as they have seen that Electric people are not wanting and there is the toxic batteries as well.
The problem with Hydrogen is that there really aren’t anything like enough fuel stations to make them viable here. If you think the BEV charging infrastructure is inadequate, wait until you try and refuel a FCEV.
Ammonia just sounds like it’s a recipe for changing one pollutant for another, at least electric dramatically reduces the pollution in the cities.
VW are struggling to market their product particularly well. The ID3 has disappeared for a refresh, the ID4 and 5 are woeful in comparison to the rest of their group offerings and the ID Buzz looks like the only viable offering and that’s over priced. The build quality of an EV needs to be better than ICE, purely because there’s less noise to block out the rattles. When you look at the alternatives, Nissan, KIA and Hyundai all offer well built cars, Skoda and Audi have got it right, mostly, BMW are getting there, even the Renault is a well designed and well built beast.
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In Europe, there will be no petrol or diesel vehicles in a few years.
The EU has pushed back the ICE ban from 2030 to 2035 coutesy of Gemany, Italy and around 6 other countries whils’t they look at E-fuels. Given we get the majority of our cars from the EU, the UK will have little choice to follow suit, regardless what the Con’s want.
The UK governments plan of charging manufacturers hefty fines from 2024, which will increase ear on year untill the ban date, if they don’t sell governments set quota of EV’s during that year and they are unable to buy carbon credits from another manufacturer who has exceeded the set quota is suicide. There lies a big risk of the few manufacturers we have here will relocate to other countries, probably the EU where they have no quota’s to meet and are guaranteed till at least 2035 of producing ICE.
I am not so sure of that China is working on Ammonia powered combustion engine and as we know BMW and Toyota on Hydrogen as they have seen that Electric people are not wanting and there is the toxic batteries as well.
China’s Toyota partner GAC has produce a combustion engine powered by Ammonia” The engine in question is a 2 ltre 161bhp with a higher than normal cylinder pressure to prevent most of the excess Nitrogen from being an issue. The 2 litre I-4 engine has a 90% reduction in in carbon emissions compared tp coventional fuels. The engine itself is more of an experiment and produced for its annual technology showcase. Its highly unlikely to catch on as it produces more than Nitrogen. Its also hard to use and it slow burning. China like the rest of the world is concentrating more on battery and fuel cell and e-fuel powered cars.
However GAC is not the first Ammonia (somewhat toxic fertilizer) as a combustible fuel, it would be the first to use it outside the shipping and trucking industries which use “green” Ammonia…
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmech.2022.944201/full
It just highlights how misleading Youtube video’s can be!
I see that Manufacturers like VW have dropped two model EV due to lack of orders and it is coming to light punters do not want EV’S and that the combustion engine will be remaining longer than anticipated. I myself have nothing against the EV but they are a wee bit boring no sound no gears and to be honest no infrastructure so my Mini JCW 2LTR maybe one of the last Dinosaurs a real shame when you thing the Emissions are so low now and that China and other countries will still pollute till kingdom come and we will be lumbered with who knows what transport.
Have you driven one?
Have you driven one?
Ive driven my nieces Enyak 80, which she got not long after its launch. She gets no where near the acclaimed mileage, which more like 250-260 in decent weather and alot lower during winter months. All the hype of EV’s being quick 0-60 isn’t the case and I found it no quicker than my current car. Of course there are quick ones but unlikely on the scheme and out of most peoples budget if they left the scheme. I need 300 miles in colder weather regardless of speed before I’d entertain one and as said above they are boring in many ways…
Have you driven one?
Ive driven my nieces Enyak 80, which she got not long after its launch. She gets no where near the acclaimed mileage, which more like 250-260 in decent weather and alot lower during winter months. All the hype of EV’s being quick 0-60 isn’t the case and I found it no quicker than my current car. Of course there are quick ones but unlikely on the scheme and out of most peoples budget if they left the scheme. I need 300 miles in colder weather regardless of speed before I’d entertain one and as said above they are boring in many ways…
300 miles now? To get your winter 200 miles you’d need Fisker to join the scheme.
We all know that the MPG you’re quoted bears no place in reality and yet everybody seems to expect the same process to create accurate figures for range. It’ll never happen.
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300 miles now? To get your winter 200 miles you’d need Fisker to join the scheme. We all know that the MPG you’re quoted bears no place in reality and yet everybody seems to expect the same process to create accurate figures for range. It’ll never happen.
I’m confused mate! Ive never said 200 winter miles, it wouldn’t get me there. Rather more like 300 miles or near that. Unless Ive slipped with a ketboard error or Ive said I need over 200 miles?
What range MP/kWh or MPG do you think my niece should be getting ?
I take it your days not going well.
I’m confused mate! Ive never said 200 winter miles, it wouldn’t get me there. Rather more like 300 miles or near that. Unless Ive slipped with a ketboard error or Ive said I need over 200 miles? What range MP/kWh or MPG do you think my niece should be getting ? I take it your days not going well.
Having a mare, nothing unusual in that though.
Enyaq should be getting something between 3.25 and 4 miles per kWh in this weather depending on how fast and a bunch of other settings. The EV database is, apparently, very accurate for the Enyaq but don’t forget the cold weather is based on a temperature of -10 and the highway is at a steady 70mph. Have you seen Enyaq Gorm’s youtube videos on the Enyaq? He shows just how easy it is to travel long distances with minimum breaks, he’ll also give you a great idea of what sort of efficiency the IV60 can produce.
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I’m confused mate! Ive never said 200 winter miles, it wouldn’t get me there. Rather more like 300 miles or near that. Unless Ive slipped with a ketboard error or Ive said I need over 200 miles? What range MP/kWh or MPG do you think my niece should be getting ? I take it your days not going well.
Having a mare, nothing unusual in that though. Enyaq should be getting something between 3.25 and 4 miles per kWh in this weather depending on how fast and a bunch of other settings. The EV database is, apparently, very accurate for the Enyaq but don’t forget the cold weather is based on a temperature of -10 and the highway is at a steady 70mph. Have you seen Enyaq Gorm’s youtube videos on the Enyaq? He shows just how easy it is to travel long distances with minimum breaks, he’ll also give you a great idea of what sort of efficiency the IV60 can produce.
LOL 🙂
The figures quoted for the Enyak were from earlier this year when the weather started to get milder -I have a post somewhere of around about the month it was but can’t remember exactly. No I don’t think Ive watched Gorm’s video!
Most definately your right foot plays a big part on what you get in return however, I can’t see my niece driving like a mad man like me, rather sticking to speed limits with a mixture of roads (A34, A500, M6 and residential)
Personally I’m off back t test drive the Mazda cx-60 on Wednesday after a 20min test drive Sunday morning, where I wasn’t quite sure on how it drove bt it was quick under 6sec 0-60 which I like. I was offered what a believe was a good price on an ex demo Homura trim and want to have few hours wednesday to see how it drives properly . Watch this space 🙂
Never heard of”Geoff buys cars” but a Telegraph article quotes Autotrader as stating that the price crash of second hand EVs is over. Demand is greater than supply and the forecast is that this trend will continue. The best selling car in Europe is the Tesla model Y and Toyota recently got rid of their previous CEO, who was less than enthusiastic about EVs, with one who has stated that Toyota will have EVs with range of 600 miles plus by 2026.
Gotion high tech of China who among others, supply VW, have a new battery which will be in production in 2024 with a 600 mile range.
But what I really dont understand about petrolheads like “Geoff” is they seem unable to accept why we need to banish Fossìl tech to the dustbin of history. They totally ignore the evidence of man made climate change as well as the polution caused by fosil cars. Sad really.
I get 320-330 miles in summer and 240-260 in winter.
To charge my car from 20% to full giving me those figures cost me currently £4.40 on my home charger.
my car was tested doing 0 to 60 under 7 seconds and one test did it 6.4 seconds
Kona EV 64kwh ultimate 2-21 in cyber grey.
Cheers, all the very best
Vaun
I was saying that to my sister today.
To fill up my current car it costs £45.
To fill up the EV, it costs £4.50 at home.
Its a no-brainer really. The Megane E-Tech I test drove yesterday knocked the socks off my 2020 Peuguot 2008 in every respect…except ride height. The Tech on the Megane is light years ahead of the 2008.
But what I really dont understand about petrolheads like “Geoff” is they seem unable to accept why we need to banish Fossìl tech to the dustbin of history. They totally ignore the evidence of man made climate change as well as the polution caused by fosil cars. Sad really.
With all due respect Daf, that doesn’t make awhole lot of sense! What your saying is man made climate, has a lesser effect mining for minerals, such as Lithium etc, than building a fossil vehicle and an Electric vehicle has less of a carbon footprint when it hits the showroom and that is before the said pollution from fossil cars cars when it hits the roads, in which EV’s have to clock up a considerable amount of miles before it cancels ut a fossil cars carbon footprint?
There is a shotage of minerals on the horizon due to the current rate being mined. Man in his widom is looking to go the only place man has untouched on earth, the deep ocean. Mans aim is to collect rocks containing minerals from or just below the ocean floor . Mans plan is to lower a robotic machine that will dig up these billions of year old mineral rich rocks/pebbles, which in the process will cause huge plooms of sediment when the rocks are collected and further sediment will be blown back into the ocean as the sediment/rocks are seperated at the awaiting ship! Scientists do not think it is a good idea, because of the damage to the ocean floor or cause untold lasting damage. Yet there is a trial about to take place very soon! Indeed man is his own worst enemy… (above is a basic process from what I remember seeing)
And I’m not even anti EV!
@vaunen I was saying that to my sister today. To fill up my current car it costs £45. To fill up the EV, it costs £4.50 at home. Its a no-brainer really. The Megane E-Tech I test drove yesterday knocked the socks off my 2020 Peuguot 2008 in every respect…except ride height. The Tech on the Megane is light years ahead of the 2008.
what energy supplier are you with ? I’ve read octopus intelligent and octopus go are the cheapest for overnight charging ? I had a British Gas smart meter installed a year ago if I had an EV do I need a new smart meter for octopus and would octopus run off the free motability wall charger installed ?
Mike, You dont need another Smart meter. If its a modern one then it doesnt matter. Same with the wall charger.
The tarriffs will not really matter either. Its not as if you are going to fully charge your EV every night, unless you are an Uber driver.
Octopus may very well have the lowest EV off peak charging, but that is a minor consideration, the variance
between suppliers will be marginal.
Your energy bills during the day will define your energy costs.
Your current setup with a year old smart meter is fine, and the wall charger when its fitted, will be fine.
It looks confusing, but its not really.
If your mileage is 200 miles\week, then its going to cost you around £4.50 to fill up. If its 400 miles its going to cost £9.00.
I passed an EV charger in the council parking lot. The rate was 15p\Kw\H So of you charge your EV up to
80% and its a 55KW battery say to 40KW , its going to cost 15X40 which is £6.00.
In reality the the Council charger is not going to put too much charge in your car, but it will be enough to give your car some moderate range.
EV charging at service stations – well its going to be more expensive, nothing new there…but sometimes it is necessary.
Yes, we all know about the rubbish public charging situation, bvroken chargers, yadda yadda yadda, but that is NOW…in 6 months or a year the charging network is going to improve exponentially. Petrol pumps on the other hand, will start to disappear as demand drops off the cliff and prices go through the roof.
Many thanks Berty I’d only ever charge at home I’m off to my Renault dealer today to see the megane techno in person hope they have one in showroom
Many thanks Berty I’d only ever charge at home I’m off to my Renault dealer today to see the megane techno in person hope they have one in showroom
Hope your visit goes well Mike!
edit: If you are in rented accomondation mate, make sure they will allow you to have a charger fitted!
i am on octopus go. with a BP pulse charger from motability and a smart meter from a previous supplier. the only requisite for octopus go tariff is that your meter should allow half hour readings to be sent. i think it’s called SMERTS2 or something.
but it works fine. i just set up a schedule on the kona to only charge 00.30 to 04.30. every night. that’s with octopus Go.
i’m having difficulty connecting to octopus intelligent due to the hyundai only being in Beta
Just back from Renault dealer they had a blue Megan e tec techno in showroom it looked amazing and boot wasn’t low to put things in ! What I didn’t like was the very low driving position I do understand you can raise the seat but to me it wouldn’t be enough with my back problems so alas it’s not the car for me . I will ok at the MG4 in the week to see if that is any higher ?
Just back from Renault dealer they had a blue Megan e tec techno in showroom it looked amazing and boot wasn’t low to put things in ! What I didn’t like was the very low driving position I do understand you can raise the seat but to me it wouldn’t be enough with my back problems so alas it’s not the car for me . I will ok at the MG4 in the week to see if that is any higher ?
If you find them to low and I await your MG4 viewing, you may be better off with a crossover mate -Juke hybrid, Qashqui e-power etc @mitch has the Juke hybrid and get good mpg, so does @mike700 in the QQ e-power 🙂
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