Dealer told me they fined £15000 per electric car not sold in time

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  • #258371
    TheSUVguy
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      Went to check out the x2 today and ended up talking about how EV prices have been coming down after time on the scheme. Dealer told me it’s because the government fine BMW (and I’m assuming other dealerships) £15000 per electric car not sold within a certain amount of time. I didnt know about this till today but it does maybe explain the prices of EV advance payments dropping

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    • #258373
      MFillingham
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        There are targets for EV sales, currently something around 22% of all car sales, I think.  So if you fall short, I can see that failure to incur a penalty.  £15,000 per unit short is enough to grab a manufacturer’s attention and that would lead quite significantly to Motability being a great opportunity to get numbers out.  There’s also some schemes like salary sacrifice where discounts can make an EV rather attractive.

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        #258376
        kezo
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          #258378
          Avatar photostruth
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            think near end of their year you might see big discounts so they avoid the costs

             

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            #258386
            Avatar photoRetro89
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              Will have to start giving them away in boxes of corn flakes.

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              #277445
              Johnsmithson
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                Unfortunately yes this is true. As Kezo has posted the Government ZEV Mandate link, this is a goal to have all new car sales be EV by 2035 (thankfully back from 2030) – whether we like it or not. The only country to have such stringent and stupid goals as EVs are anything but green when you take in pre sale and full life cycle of use.

                So either 1 of 2 things will happen.

                We will only be able to buy EVs (and hope they don’t burst into flames) or if you do choose to buy an ICE – it will have an additional  £15,000 government tax on it, as well as VAT and all the rest – as manufacturers will just pass the fine on.

                It is yet more control mechanisms over our lives and removal of our freedom of choice and freedom to travel – all in the name of “green”. This is the height of virtue signalling and greenwashing.

                Stick with ICE.

                #277457
                Avatar photoUncJ
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                  Couldn’t agree more 👍

                  The thing is with the £15,000 fines is that they go up each year until that date don’t they? So it will get worse, much more worse on commercial vehicles too especially as the range on most of these vans is minuscule when compared to their tried and tested diesel counterparts. Very few businesses want them for obvious reasons and the fact they are tens of thousands dearer than ICE vans.

                  #277467
                  kezo
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                    The ZEV mandate which came into force this year requires 22% of cars and 10% of vans sold by manufacturers to be electric. If a manufacturer doesn’t meet the required target, they are fined £15,000 per vehicle.

                    The mandate increases targets for manufacturers each year, requiring 80% of new cars to be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100% by 2035.  The fine per vehicle undersld also increases to £18,00 from next year.

                    However, there is the big con of carbon offsetting, where manufacturers who do not meet the required targets can by carbon credits off other manufacturers who have done well and exceeded the set targets.

                    As pointed out by @Johnsmithson we are the only country that has such a strict mandate and the only European country aiming for 80% of EV’s by 2030.

                    Overall EV’s make up a low market share of vehicles on UK roads, reluctance by from private buyers remains strong amd there is evidence of a downturn in overall sales of new EV’s.

                    So the question begs, how is a manufacturer or car dealer going to force the sale of an EV upon a customer, if they don’t want one between now and 2035. Even when 2034 comes, you will be able to buy a new petrol/hybrid or look at at the nearly new or used market, if funds allow!

                    #277468
                    kezo
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                      The ZEV mandate which came into force this year requires 22% of cars and 10% of vans sold by manufacturers to be electric. If a manufacturer doesn’t meet the required target, they are fined £15,000 per vehicle. The mandate increases targets for manufacturers each year, requiring 80% of new cars to be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100% by 2035. The fine per vehicle undersld also increases to £18,00 from next year. However, there is the big con of carbon offsetting, where manufacturers who do not meet the required targets can by carbon credits off other manufacturers who have done well and exceeded the set targets. As pointed out by @Johnsmithson we are the only country that has such a strict mandate and the only European country aiming for 80% of EV’s by 2030. Overall EV’s make up a low market share of vehicles on UK roads, reluctance by from private buyers remains strong amd there is evidence of a downturn in overall sales of new EV’s. So the question begs, how is a manufacturer or car dealer going to force the sale of an EV upon a customer, if they don’t want one between now and 2035. Even when 2034 comes, you will be able to buy a new petrol/hybrid or look at at the nearly new or used market, if funds allow!

                      Motability, will become a treasure chest to manufacturers aiming to meet their targets, at a faster pace than the retail market!

                      #277470
                      MFillingham
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                        This is the reasoning behind the APs on BEVs as well.  If you want to push a  particular type of car, it’s better value for the manufacturer to offer £10k discounts to the big leasing companies and Motability are the biggest.  That then is transferred to the customer by smaller monthly payments or advance payments in our case.

                        The alternative method is much more risky, simply don’t offer petrol/diesel models.  Ford are announcing reductions in their range thus ensuring either the whole number or the bigger percentage runs in their favour.

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                        #277505
                        MLH
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                          Unfortunately yes this is true. As Kezo has posted the Government ZEV Mandate link, this is a goal to have all new car sales be EV by 2035 (thankfully back from 2030) – whether we like it or not. The only country to have such stringent and stupid goals as EVs are anything but green when you take in pre sale and full life cycle of use.

                           

                          So either 1 of 2 things will happen. We will only be able to buy EVs (and hope they don’t burst into flames) or if you do choose to buy an ICE – it will have an additional £15,000 government tax on it, as well as VAT and all the rest – as manufacturers will just pass the fine on.

                           

                          It is yet more control mechanisms over our lives and removal of our freedom of choice and freedom to travel – all in the name of “green”. This is the height of virtue signalling and greenwashing. Stick with ICE.

                           

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                          #277534
                          des
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                            Unfortunately yes this is true. As Kezo has posted the Government ZEV Mandate link, this is a goal to have all new car sales be EV by 2035 (thankfully back from 2030) – whether we like it or not. The only country to have such stringent and stupid goals as EVs are anything but green when you take in pre sale and full life cycle of use. So either 1 of 2 things will happen. We will only be able to buy EVs (and hope they don’t burst into flames) or if you do choose to buy an ICE – it will have an additional £15,000 government tax on it, as well as VAT and all the rest – as manufacturers will just pass the fine on. It is yet more control mechanisms over our lives and removal of our freedom of choice and freedom to travel – all in the name of “green”. This is the height of virtue signalling and greenwashing. Stick with ICE.

                            ‘it concluded that EVs are 20 times less likely to go on fire compared to petrol or diesel cars’. Quote from Tusker fleet supplier. I could quote many many more facts to burst your myth. I won’t bother just like you didn’t bother to look at facts

                            #277557
                            72 dudes
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                              “we are the only country that has such a strict mandate and the only European country aiming for 80% of EV’s by 2030.”

                              Crikey, good thing we voted to leave the EU 8 years ago then.

                              So we can be in charge of our own laws and all that 😆😉

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                              #277567
                              Abercol
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                                This is fantastic news for us, low AP’s on electric cars and we can get a free charger too, win win. Getting 250 miles of driving for less than the cost of a gallon of dino juice can only be a good thing when you are short of cash in these trying times.

                                I am not pro EV nor pro ICE, just pro cheaper AP’s and running costs…my still mostly empty wallet thanks me.

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                                #277582
                                TheSUVguy
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                                  Electric G wagon soon on the scheme😂😂😂

                                  #277601
                                  Rene
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                                    So we can be in charge of our own laws and all that 😆😉

                                    That’s exactly what happened.

                                    This is Boris Johnsons brain child, not some EU regulation.

                                    I am not pro EV nor pro ICE, just pro cheaper AP’s and running costs…my still mostly empty wallet thanks me.

                                    Disclaimer, this is only the case for short distance driving. Don’t get me wrong, i’m very much with you there, but this is only the case if you charge at home with an EV tariff. If you have to rely on public chargers, EVs are as, if not more expensive than ICE cars. Potentially even taking the cheaper AP into consideration.

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