BYD Atto 3. Why so slow?

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  • #239264
    Adrian
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      Can anyone explain why the Atto 3 “fast” charge is only ~85 kWh?

      I’m on my way to build some dreams but I’m seeing Ioniqs do 20-80 in 15 minutes makes the BYD seem a bit slow.

      Go as nerdy as you can, I’m genuinely curious.

      "Come on BYD Seal!"
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    • #239271
      RaRa
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        Cheap and less likely your cars will catch on fire?

        But it does seem odd with them having what is meant to be the next gen battery tech installed. Suppose it’s the bottom of the range car and with it’s £0 AP it’s tough to complain!

         

        #239273
        kezo
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          Its worth remembering ioniqs only do 20 – 80% in 15min on a 350kW charger and there ain’t many about!

          The ioniq 5 takes around 25 minutes on a 150Kw charger

          Alot of Stellantis group EV’s have upto 100kW DC charging speed so 10 to 80% is around 30, 35 minutes. The 2023 Kia Niro DC charging speed is 72kW and takes around 45 minutes.

          The Atto 3 with its max 88kW DC charging speed for 10 -80% charge takes aroud 40 minutes. So its not to dissimilar to its rivals.

           

          #239281
          Avatar photoMenorca Mike
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            Adrian where are going to see it the dealer at Birmingham or Milton Keynes ?

            #239282
            Avatar photoMenorca Mike
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              Did you test drive the Kia Niro ev at Loughborough Kia ?

              #239285
              Adrian
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                Birmingham or Milton Keynes ?

                To my delight they’re now in Leicester! At the same Hyundai garage that I tested the Ioniq 6 at. It’s on the annoying side of town for me (near King Power stadium) but was nice to have a sit in one.

                Nathan is the chap to speak to 0116 254 1717

                I came close to hauling over to Kia but I just couldn’t motivate. I think it’s a sign! I saw your message about your test drive being delayed due to rain, worth waiting for the good weather for sure.

                 

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                #239288
                Adrian
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                  next gen battery tech

                  Exactly! It does seem strange is all. I guess they’re not expecting this car to be the continent cruiser. Come on BYD Seal.


                  @Kezo
                  I’m only giving it more thought as I “relax” in Slovenia. Though we flew this time we’d normally drive (on two tanks of dinosaur juice), so I’m thinking only of my road trips.

                  I was nerding out over a YouTube from Mr EV. He drove down to Italy in an Ioniq 5 and seemed to be getting >100 usually. I’m not sure I have his level of chill though! https://youtu.be/DmO0jwcc0Js?si=VuJHAtyySBtqJNtM

                  Currently in a Toyota Yaris Cross by the way. Apparently it has an engine but all evidence to the contrary ?

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                  #239289
                  Avatar photoMenorca Mike
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                    Adrian I’ve just looked it up sturgess byd Leicester I was going by there sunday to Renault dealer many thanks for telling me I will watch YouTube videos of atto 3 today

                    #239290
                    Avatar photoMenorca Mike
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                      Did you have a test drive in the atto 3 ? Was it high up to get in ?

                      #239291
                      Adrian
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                        Did you have a test drive in the atto 3 ? Was it high up to get in ?

                        I didn’t have a test drive though they do have a demonstrator. It’s useful that we have a closer option than MK!

                        Getting in seemed reasonable though obviously it’s a taller car. Not much of a door sill to get your leg over IIRC. The seat was at bum height.

                        You should go take a test drive! I look forward to hearing your review.

                        "Come on BYD Seal!"
                        #239292
                        DumfriesDik
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                          Kia and Hyundai larger EVs cars have 800v architecture. Most other car use 400v.

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                          #239299
                          Adrian
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                            That definitely explains it.

                            But then the next question is .. so why isn’t everyone else using this architecture?

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                            #239327
                            kezo
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                              Kia and Hyundai larger EVs cars have 800v architecture. Most other car use 400v.

                              That definitely explains it. But then the next question is .. so why isn’t everyone else using this architecture?

                              Its usefull if you have the technology to back it up, infortunately the UK doesn’t with only 14 350kW chargers!

                              800v architecture is supposedly the future (holy grail) of electric vehicle charging. The Audi GT, Porsche Taycan and of course Hyundai/Kia use it and I believe the Lucid Air used 924V architecture but, with so little infrastructure to support it in the UK does it really matter at the moment.

                              The benifits of having a high 800V system is, it will charge at higher speeds with  a lower current than 400V architecture would and therefore there would be less heat loss. 800v allows for thinner cable/wires to be used, along with less copper in the motors, which not only allows for less weight but, also cost. In a nutshell The higher voltage allows for faster charging because, the lower current reduces overheating.

                              Unless you are luckt enough to regularly have access to a 350V charger, its not something I’d be overly concerned with over the next few years. Yes Hyundai will make full use of a 150kW charger where as say the Atto won’t but, in the grand scheme of this whats an extra 10 to 15 minutes if you regularly stop for a break anyway!

                               

                              #239340
                              Adrian
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                                Thanks Kezo! That makes a lot of sense. Here we are back at infrastructure .. again. Oh Britain, we invented the world wide web don’t you know ?

                                I try to figure out how often I need a “comfort” break and realise my retentive bladder requires me to take more coffee stops.

                                We are both coming round to ev at a similar pace!

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                                #239342
                                Avatar photoMenorca Mike
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                                  Adrian I’ve watched YouTube reviews on the atto 3 and it looks very nice big sliding sunroof standard as is power tailgate standard ! For nil deposit it does look a bargain

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