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This is bad news. I’ve enjoyed the optimism on the forum over recent weeks about the emergence of well specced hybrids and EV’s on Motability. Hopefully this will get sorted by Motability and the powers that be because Motability can be a driving force in increasing EV awareness on UK roads. I’m assuming that currently approved orders will be honoured by Motability, but we need an update from the scheme to confirm this. I have a hybrid on order which arrived at the dealer on Wednesday. I paid the AP in full on Wednesday evening and it is being delivered to my home on Monday morning, and the home charger is booked for install on April 9th (this is also already paid for). Hopefully it goes ahead as planned. I’ll let you guys and girls know.
You should be fine POPS, the Plugin Hybrids had already lost the grant, hence them being so expensive AP wise.
Re my car, the dealer just phoned me up to say it had arrived at their premises and gave me the new Registration number. As far as he’s aware, the car is still fine and I’m due to collect at 12pm on the 4th. FINGERS CROSSED, but feel sorry for those who were still trying to place an order.
Previous Motability Cars
2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
2021 - 2023 Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE
2023 - Hyundai Kona Electric Ultimate
So hybrids are unaffected since the grant for them ended in 2018, is that right?
So hybrids are unaffected since the grant for them ended in 2018, is that right?
Yes, this only affects full Electric vehicles
Previous Motability Cars
2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
2021 - 2023 Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE
2023 - Hyundai Kona Electric UltimateSurely a temporary situation
Back in 2004, his Tonyness emerged from an environmental summit which deemed diesel the answer to the alleged CO2 problem. Never mind babies in push chairs and kids at the school gates receiving lung fulls of carcinogenic soot and toxic gases. Gordon then raised the duty on diesel often negating the mpg cost saving for the suckers like me that had bought one. Osborne reduced road tax on low emission cars, my wife’s Fabia 1.2 tsi was just £20. Hammond scraped that – back to £140 regardless of emissions. >£40k RRP including options an extra £325 luxury road tax. Zero emission exempt. So for private buyers, £2500 grant loss balanced by EV £1625 road tax saving over 5 years. Perhaps not a great deterrent. Business drivers save many £1000 s on PHEV/EV BIK tax. Sadly, as we are road tax exempt on the scheme, we will likely feel the pain in full. Once again, the Treasury, never capable of joined up thinking, doesn’t seem to care too much about environmental benefits of encouraging ev s beyond the business users who buy the £70k cars with a healthy dollop of VAT. Not that I’m cynical! They have taken a huge hit on revenue from the 60% fuel duty and VAT on the massive drop of new car sales. They will have to find a way to tax EV use in he future. Road usage per mile tax?
I’ve slowed down in the last four years Glos Guy, lol. I’ve gone for a more sedate Peugeot 3008 GT Premium Hybrid as it has all the options that I thought I needed for the next three years, including some semi autonomous features. I’ll miss the Beemer though.
Nice car and very well equipped Pops. I hope that you enjoy it.
Government have removed the EV Grant’s for vehicles over £35k and for the vehicles under 35k the grant has been reduced by £500.
So youd think, the cheaper EVs would still be on the scheme surely??
Mad to think that just days ago we were praising mobility for getting the id3 on the scheme and things were looking good for EVs, now they have all been removed….
It will come back Carl,but with a greater AP i would think,motability wont stand the £500
It will come back Carl,but with a greater AP i would think,motability wont stand the £500
I agree Kevin. This government change seems to have caught everyone out, including Motability, unless it was in the budget small print and everyone missed it. Like you, I suspect that the under £35k Electric cars will reappear shortly, with the extra £500 (or most of it) added to the AP’s. The issue will be those over £35k as I can’t imagine that there will be much interest in them if the AP’s rise by £3,000 (or a large proportion of it). I can’t see manufacturers reducing prices and it would be wrong for Motability to subsidise them as, by definition, that makes the AP’s higher for everyone else.
Very much a mixed message from the UK government. Promoting and encouraging electric vehicles and then removing the grant from all but the 25 cheapest which are in the main smaller and less equipped and crucially have smaller ranges. The ball is now in the court of the manufacturer. Will some reduce prices and possibly specs to fall under the new limit? For a government which us always spouting it’s green agenda, this latest announcement appears to be totally at odds with it. For private buyer’s who have the additional costs of installing a fast charger at home this could make the prospect of an electric vehicle unviable for the vast majority and out of reach of everyone except the wealthy.
If the government continued to subsidise as they have manufacturers could become greedy and keep prices artificially high. Now manufacturers know a demand is out there they may well lower margins, something the government is probably hoping for as the end result. A few manufacturers were already getting greedy in pricing.
Excuse me but… has Motability actually made any announcement about this EV withdrawal? Can’t find anything, anywhere. Seems to me that it would be only polite to do so. Even if it can only say, “We don’t know what is going on but we will find out and let you know.” To say nothing smacks of good old British management arrogance and is downright rude.
May I also remind people of the Independent report by the Social Security Advisory Committee: The use of public funds in supporting the mobility needs of disabled people
Published 17 November 2020Among many other things it said, “Given Motability’s status as one of the largest buyers of new cars in the UK, we recommend they take a lead in making electric cars more widely available to all disabled people on the scheme.”
Well, that’s going well then…
I was unaware of the report that Tharg referred to, so I have looked it up and had a quick read. It’s very interesting and flags a lot of the issues that we often talk about on here. Important to remember that the report has recommendations, not instructions, so only a few of them may get adopted.
I actually rang a dealership today to put a order in for a car. The sales men was baffled as to why he couldn’t put the order through and never called me back. Explains everything. Such a shame quite disappointing but no life was lost. Sure there will be a solution somewhere.
I’m concerned about the price cap of £35k, it means that only basic low range vehicles are incentivised and these are mainly small cars. £500 is here not there because it can be added to AP in some sort of way. The £35k will be harder to navigate.
ELECTRIC CARS BACK ON THIS MORNING
Interestingly, the cars are back, and at least 1 AP has changed!
My car, Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE was £2837 (WPMS) and at £42k over the OLEV grant now.
Todays revised price… £2831 it’s GONE DOWN, only by £6 but so pleased the cars are back
Previous Motability Cars
2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
2021 - 2023 Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE
2023 - Hyundai Kona Electric UltimateELECTRIC CARS BACK ON THIS MORNING
I was going to ask if the AP’s have increased (as I don’t follow EV”s), but thought I’d just take a look at the Motability website and it still shows that they are not available?
ELECTRIC CARS BACK ON THIS MORNING
I was going to ask if the AP’s have increased (as I don’t follow EV”s), but thought I’d just take a look at the Motability website and it still shows that they are not available?
Edit – just reset cache and now showing. So, have the AP’s increased? If not, you have to wonder why they pulled them only to put them back on within 24 hours!!
I don’t know all the prices, but from the ones I know, most if not all look pretty much the same
Previous Motability Cars
2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
2021 - 2023 Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE
2023 - Hyundai Kona Electric UltimateAll prices the same as yesterday.
This is poor, so every electric car ordered through the scheme now will cost motability thousands extra. That cost will be paid by an increase in AP’s across the Scheme presumably.
All prices the same as yesterday. This is poor, so every electric car ordered through the scheme now will cost motability thousands extra. That cost will be paid by an increase in AP’s across the Scheme presumably.
Hard to say that for certain. Could also be;
1. Manufacturers have agreed to take a hit
2. Manufacturers AND Motability agree to split the hit
3. The HMRC has agreed to not implement the change regarding Motability for the rest of the quarter
I think next quarter will see a big rise in EV prices though sadly, especially the £35k plus vehicle (if there are any even offered)
I think if you want an EV and can order, do it now, not wait to Q2.
It would be good to know exactly whats happened, but I doubt we ever will.
Previous Motability Cars
2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
2021 - 2023 Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE
2023 - Hyundai Kona Electric UltimateGood to see the EVs back on list. Reckon that it was yet another case of governmental right hand not knowing what left hand was doing. Appreciate that Motability was stymied by the criminally incompetent actions of government in introducing this retrogressive measure. Still think it’s a impolite not to tell us about it.
Looking ahead, the new rules on grants will make it difficult for the new, promising EVs from Kia and Hyundai to make it on to the scheme. Prices likely to be way over £35K I would think.
Maybe increase AP in Q2 with a little added to cover up to the 31st ,trying to keep everybody happy in Q1
Can’t see Motability taking a hit,would i think ,be classed as bad management
I agree. With Q2 not far away I think motability will take the hit. However I feel that in the next quarter we will see a higher AP and less choice. I can’t see how motability can continue as if nothing has changed with the £3.000 grant. And no changes made in prices. Someone has to pay the difference. Unfortunately I am not in a position to get one of the EVs currently on the scheme. Hopefully by the time I am due to change things would have settled down. But I fear at the cost of a higher AP.
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