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sorry rico but thems the risks you take going for a car with a high ap. quite often when a new vehicle comes on its at a high ap and invariably it goes down over the next couple of quarters.
my current car a mini countryman the reverse is the case 3yrs ago the ap was £715,today the same model is £2700.
I understand your feeling of misfortune due to the AP changing for a lower rate, this has just happened to our vehicle which was ordered last week 23/03/23 and has since had the AP reduced from £7999 to £5999.
because the AP was agreed before the April update it remains at the higher rate and this is in the terms and conditions on the MB web page, i just wonder how the dealer feels about this situation as i am not best pleased to be paying a considerable amount more for such a short period of time.
neil, if your car hasnt been delivered yet the dealer can simply cancel the order and reinput it at the lower ap. its just a paper shuffling exercise doesnt affect your place in the queue so to speak.
i could do the same as the ap on the nissan juke i have ordered has gone own from 631 to 90 but the weekly rental has gone up so its not worth me changing as it would actually cost me 500 extra over the 3 yrs.
Looking at the Renault Megane e-Tech
I can see that a reduction was justified and I expect it to level out at £2300
I understand your feeling of misfortune due to the AP changing for a lower rate, this has just happened to our vehicle which was ordered last week 23/03/23 and has since had the AP reduced from £7999 to £5999. because the AP was agreed before the April update it remains at the higher rate and this is in the terms and conditions on the MB web page, i just wonder how the dealer feels about this situation as i am not best pleased to be paying a considerable amount more for such a short period of time.
Neil – as Mitch says, your situation is very easy to resolve. You just ask the dealer to re- do the admin with Motability. Takes a matter of minutes and you instantly get the car for the lower AP. It costs the dealer nothing other than a few minutes of their time and they don’t even need to even cancel the order to do so (the actual order is between the dealer and the manufacturer, what shows on the Motability website isn’t the actual order, it just shows that they’ve authorised an order for that particular car at the AP on the day the dealer inputted it).
If they play silly buggers just cancel (which you are perfectly entitled to do at any time prior to the day of delivery at no financial cost to yourself) and re-order, with a different dealership if necessary. Absolutely no need whatsoever for you to pay the higher AP.
Rico – Have you actually got the car? If not, you can do the same as above. If you already have the car then that is indeed a terrible situation to be in. There is a lesson for everyone here in paying these eye watering APs at your peril. That doesn’t help you though. I’d give Motability a call and talk it through. As you suggest, even saying you’d like to terminate could trigger some response. Motability are ripping customers off with these over inflated APs and they are sitting on hundreds of millions of pounds of surplus funds as a result of these over charges. They are quite happy to dish this out to all their employees through an overly generous pay and benefits package, including bonuses of thousands for even junior staff, so they should damned well help out people in your situation IMHO.
Thanks for the information gents I will talk to the dealer to sort it out, better in my pocket than theirs
Well funny you should say that. I have today phoned my dealer to advise him I was Not happy that the price has come down since I ordered 3 weeks ago. He told me “If you want I can cancel however you may not get the car before Xmas.” I replied “So be it” As the £600 reduction will go towards my electric bill for a few months. He told me he would cancel it on Monday. I shall see what his response is when I mention just changing price.
We saved £500 doing just that without a problem
You can cancel and terminate early you will receive a large proportion of the AP you have paid only problem with that is finding alternative transport
Think I will be trying to speak to the dealer on Monday, ordered my car 6 weeks ago and the AP has gone down £300.
I know it’s not a massive amount of money but it was a push for me to do the £749, so £449 is much more affordable.
Well funny you should say that. I have today phoned my dealer to advise him I was Not happy that the price has come down since I ordered 3 weeks ago. He told me “If you want I can cancel however you may not get the car before Xmas.” I replied “So be it” As the £600 reduction will go towards my electric bill for a few months. He told me he would cancel it on Monday. I shall see what his response is when I mention just changing price.
Sounds like he doesn’t understand the system that he uses or is just bone idle! No need to cancel the actual order. He just has to ‘cancel’ and ‘reorder’ on the Motability system. Makes no difference whatsoever to the lead time.
Think I will be trying to speak to the dealer on Monday, ordered my car 6 weeks ago and the AP has gone down £300. I know it’s not a massive amount of money but it was a push for me to do the £749, so £449 is much more affordable.
Definitely worth asking Sue. The AP on our BMW dropped just £100 in the quarter after we ordered it. As it was such a small amount I didn’t have the nerve to ask. I was therefore amazed that, without even a discussion with the dealer, they phoned me to say that they had re-done the admin on the Motability system so that we’d pay the lower AP. When I thanked them and said that I wouldn’t have asked for such a small difference, the comment I had was “better in your pocket than Motability’s”. Just goes to show what a great dealer does, versus so many of the bad ones that sadly so many Motability customers have to contend with.
When i was looking at an X-Trail N connecta e4orce in Jan I mentioned to the dealer that i was thinking about holding off until April to see if the Techna appeared and he said if I ordered then it would hold my place in the queue and if indeed the Techna did become available it would be easy enough to change my order. Good job I took his advice and placed the order.
Just been down to the dealers and low and behold they will only require the reduced AP at the time of hand over, so good advice and happy days.
There may be people who feel that it is not possible to ask the dealer for any deviation in the AP at the time of handover, let them know your feelings and stand your ground, any difference is better retained by the new owner rather than the dealer who does nothing to support you through changes to the system.
Just been down to the dealers and low and behold they will only require the reduced AP at the time of hand over, so good advice and happy days. There may be people who feel that it is not possible to ask the dealer for any deviation in the AP at the time of handover, let them know your feelings and stand your ground, any difference is better retained by the new owner rather than the dealer who does nothing to support you through changes to the system.
Neil,
The AP paid isn’t retained by the dealership per se.
It is ultimately passed onto Motability (minus comparatively small Motability handling fees).
Although a few years old, the following thread explains the Motability handling fee:
The reason for the lower price is simple: the Mobility element (PIP/DWP) went up by 10% in April, hence the dealers can charge less for AP now.
The reason for the lower price is simple: the Mobility element (PIP/DWP) went up by 10% in April, hence the dealers can charge less for AP now.
It won’t be down to that, or we would have seen price deceases across the board, which we haven’t. APs can vary wildly and it’s due to the deals that manufacturers are prepared to do which depends on countless factors. As Mitch said, new cars to the scheme often launch with high APs and then settle down, but there is often no obvious logic!
I really liked the Mach-E yesterday – very comfortable position for me personally, extra Tech pack is amazing. and the costs of electricity, when charging at home, will overwhelmingly recuperate the extra AP. Hopefully they won’t drop it from £7,995 🙂
The reason for the lower price is simple: the Mobility element (PIP/DWP) went up by 10% in April, hence the dealers can charge less for AP now.
? Wow! For real? That’s not how that works
"Come on BYD Seal!"Think I will be trying to speak to the dealer on Monday, ordered my car 6 weeks ago and the AP has gone down £300. I know it’s not a massive amount of money but it was a push for me to do the £749, so £449 is much more affordable.
Definitely worth asking Sue. The AP on our BMW dropped just £100 in the quarter after we ordered it. As it was such a small amount I didn’t have the nerve to ask. I was therefore amazed that, without even a discussion with the dealer, they phoned me to say that they had re-done the admin on the Motability system so that we’d pay the lower AP. When I thanked them and said that I wouldn’t have asked for such a small difference, the comment I had was “better in your pocket than Motability’s”. Just goes to show what a great dealer does, versus so many of the bad ones that sadly so many Motability customers have to contend with.
I’ve asked but they’ve stated it’s not possible as Motability have to change it and it could impact on my good condition bonus…yep, I know, a whole lot of rubbish.
Motability at first took the having to cancel, going to the back of the queue line but eventually said it was an admin thing that only the dealership can do and that it definitely would not impact my good condition bonus.
Yeah I’d tell them to sling their hook. We’re all being taken for mugs and for some reason seem content with this new low level level of crap.
??♂️ No thank you"Come on BYD Seal!"Think I will be trying to speak to the dealer on Monday, ordered my car 6 weeks ago and the AP has gone down £300. I know it’s not a massive amount of money but it was a push for me to do the £749, so £449 is much more affordable.
Definitely worth asking Sue. The AP on our BMW dropped just £100 in the quarter after we ordered it. As it was such a small amount I didn’t have the nerve to ask. I was therefore amazed that, without even a discussion with the dealer, they phoned me to say that they had re-done the admin on the Motability system so that we’d pay the lower AP. When I thanked them and said that I wouldn’t have asked for such a small difference, the comment I had was “better in your pocket than Motability’s”. Just goes to show what a great dealer does, versus so many of the bad ones that sadly so many Motability customers have to contend with.
I’ve asked but they’ve stated it’s not possible as Motability have to change it and it could impact on my good condition bonus…yep, I know, a whole lot of rubbish. Motability at first took the having to cancel, going to the back of the queue line but eventually said it was an admin thing that only the dealership can do and that it definitely would not impact my good condition bonus.
Agree total Rubbish.
I think I’d be telling them I want to cancel and reorder the car, if your only 6weeks in. Chances are you won’t loose your osition in the Q.
@Sue I would tell them that you know that what they are saying is completely untrue and that it’s a 5 minute admin job. If they still won’t budge I would cancel and go to another dealer on principle. I definitely wouldn’t re-order with the same dealer as they are clueless and this may be a red flag as to how they will treat you between now and delivery. Dealers like this don’t deserve our custom.
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