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So by time next order comes around 2023..
Will cars be all electric with no choice otherwise, the petrol/electric type or will petrol/diesel still be available on the scheme..Petrol/electric wouldn’t be to bad I guess..
As for the charging instillation at home I have no interest…
Before the save the planet lot start, it’s not me ruining, it’s been you and the whole world too..?
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I think we’ll still see ICE options on the scheme but the AP might be the opposite of what we see now, where EV AP will be as ICE is now.
Hopefully still affordable Tim, I think it could see many leave the scheme looking for cheaper options otherwise, guess the cars available will become smaller too, as will choice.
The scheme will have to change massively if I’m going to remain on it. The choice of premium vehicles is reducing to the point that there won’t be many left soon and AP’s are going through the roof. The gap is certainly closing between the cost of Motability and private leasing companies. At some point I know that I will have to switch to an electric vehicle but will any premium ones ever be on the scheme at an affordable AP. What I might do is use my PIPs award plus take the company car allowance and have one car rather than 2. Plus if I take a maintenance package out with the lease that only leaves me to find my own insurance. Yes I like Motability but will it suit my needs in just over 2 years time, well only time will tell.
I heard in Scotland you might be able to add to your pip award with some of your esa if you get it to afford a better car etc. Not sure yet but its to do with devolved Govt taking over the disability systems in their countries.
But yes its an issue for me to afford a bigger car as my mobility requires one, plus adding an auto box knocks price up again. I can drive a manual but that hip is very poor and not sure i would be able to do it for a longish time.
You would think motability and tbh the govt would insist on vehicles like this be on scheme at reasonable ap
Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistI don’t see why petrol/diesel only cars wouldn’t be available on the scheme in 2023 when the cut off date is 2030. You could get one in 2023, 2026 and again in 2029 so there’s your next three cars covered and in 2032 you could get a hybrid. As it stands, it will be many years before you have to make a decision on going fully electric.
I was reading the other day that the AA (the car breakdown service not the booze breakdown service) are putting ideals to the government for EV VAT free cars to get the switchover done quicker.
If that was to happen, but doubt it will, what advantage would Motability have in future.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Very interesting points, I do realise the cut of date 2030, just wondering of other opinions really..</p>
I guess it’s all guess work to the future, I mean at the moment electric cars seem to be able to do no wrong, with a strong push towards it..2030 do seem such a long way off tbh..
I can see the 2030 date changing nearer to the time, as the infrastructure won’t be fully in place to enforce the change. Recovering from the pandemic will set many things back a number of years, not bring them forward. As with all new technology, there is a rush from early adopters, then a steady flow and then you are left with a sizeable minority who will resist the change. In the case of EV’s this will be many of those who don’t have off street charging. As DBtruth rightly says, there is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to get an ICE car in 2023, 2026 and 2029 although as each change happens there will be less and less choice. Like others have said, I can see many people leaving the Motability scheme and buying a pre 2030 registered ICE car. There is no law that says that you have to have a brand new car every 3 years!
It depends how you look at it really. I don’t think the push towards electric is actually that strong at the moment. (10 years or so doesn’t seem strong to me).
im not sure what EV’s can do no wrong actually means but I’m guessing you’re referring to the hype around them. I’d say it’s because EV’s are a new technology that’s improving all the time so there is a lot to talk about where as ICE cars are probably as good as they’ll ever be.
DBtruth you could be right and the push isn’t that strong and it’s only me noticing it more..
What are the downfalls of electric vehicles that don’t get reported..
I don’t mean not enough charge stations (that should be easy to over come),or range anxiety that should improve..
Seems to me petrol/diesel cars have taken the blame for the pollution, what happens if we see no difference in world pollution for our efforts..
Price, conformity to standard ICE chassis types and a reliance on dealer level repairs due to a skills shortage, coupled with tight lipped manufacturers unwilling to share repair parts and process.
Well, I’ll start off by saying ICE cars are far from perfect. They’re just the closest to perfect that we currently have. How often do you look at a car and say this wouldn’t suit me because of x, y and z.
EV’s will suffer from a lot of the same problems and probably a few more currently. But that’s what I’m saying about them improving. Every new generation of EV will be better than the last and I’m confident that we will get to a point where EV’s are better than ICE has ever been.All of the problems with EV’s are very well documented and if there isn’t a solution to them yet, people will definitely be working on them.
As far as pollution goes, I’ve got no idea as that’s something I don’t have much interest in but I’d imagine if we did get to a point where it didn’t work, we’d try something else.
Why is it the expensive EV’s look like normal cars yet the cheaper ones are so ugly.
I don’t think it’s just the cheaper ones that are ugly Elliot! Some of the expensive ones look damned unattractive to me and I include Tesla in that. I could understand it if all manufacturers made EV’s look futuristic, as that would be pretty cool, but why some have to be so pig ugly is completely beyond me. Mercedes seem to have it about right.
Only EV I find stunning is the I Pace.
Looks are subjective. There aren’t that many nice looking cars on sale in general in my opinion. Certainly not ones where I think wow that is stunning. I just think most are alright.
Personally I think Tesla (which are expensive) make the most boring looking cars inside and out. I saw a polestar on the road for the first time the other day. It looked great in my wing mirror but I didn’t like the back third of the car.
out of interest, which EV’s do you think are ugly?
Hated the look of this when I first saw it, but then it’s saved by the lights, slightly retro
have to say, personally it looks like a model. but i guess in 5 years itll be thought of as norm
Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistHonda E. I’ve seen it in the local Honda showroom but I’ve never seen one on the road. More popular with motoring journalists then the motoring public is my guess.
You might get away with it in ‘that’ London, but not round here.
The trend toward placing components in the frunk, yet still charging more has to stop. It should be a storage area on an EV! Things like transmission tunnel and left over legacy systems because the manufacturers are too cheap to innovate are sadly becoming commonplace.
But you bet you’ll be charged as if they’ve innovated hard and couldn’t possibly bring this ICE chassis platform with a battery and gubbins plonked anywhere they can at anything less than the prices we see today.We’re not there yet. Car platforms are being designed to accommodate all of ICE, hybrid and electric. To design and manufacture for the limited volumes of an electric only platform is very costly, hence prices of id3, id4 and the cost cutting of components to get them to market.
That’s not the case, wigwam.
Compare dedicated platforms that have been designed ground up to be electric… Those prices can be seen to be inline with the likes of the ID3 and 4. Car manufacturers are trying it on under the guise of expense.
Munro on YouTube regularly breaks down the costs (they tear down the entire vehicle including battery pack and motors) and the ID4 may well surprise you.
Tim, I’m happy for you to believe a YouTube pundit. I rather base my view on what industry is trying to achieve to make a profit.
? Not quite. Sandy Munro isn’t a YouTube pundit. He and his associates are world renowned and used by multiple vehicle manufacturers! That’s why I said take a look for yourself, YouTube platform is just a common place to see their analysis, use another site to view their work if that helps digestion somewhat.
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