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car magazine article big pay rises and large Christmas bonuses yet customers are still waiting over a year for deliveries and paying very large unaffordable advance payments,
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Car dealers are paid a handling fee of around £400 a car for each sale under the scheme.
And that fellow forum members is the problem. They could easily increase this by 50% and still make a profit. Pure greed!
So now we know he gets money for nothing but does he get his chicks for free.
Like the bit about all we need to do is “pay for fuel” and just wished that was true.
I did say this a while ago. Lining his pockets with a bloated bonus paid for by disabled people’s benefits is disgusting. It’s not as if he’s doing anything to justify his massive pay.
These people are unfit custodians of the scheme which really does need investigating.
I did say this a while ago. Lining his pockets with a bloated bonus paid for by disabled people’s benefits is disgusting. It’s not as if he’s doing anything to justify his massive pay. These people are unfit custodians of the scheme which really does need investigating.
Indeed and is a huge part of the many reasons for me leaving the scheme back in june. Say anything about it on this forum though and many don’t like it and don’t want to hear it or see any bad about the scheme and those that run it.
I am not anti scheme, just anti how it’s actually run and how it chooses to use the profits generated from those on the scheme and it is all about profits, as they profit, when do we profit?
Even the new £750 new car payment is from the 10.1% rise in benefit over next 3 years amounts to at least £1,016.26 over 3 years. So they still getting £266.262 more on top of the allowance come april over the 3 year lease. So it’s not from profits and is why it don’t start till spring.
Watch how they start more projects and trials and fund start-ups’ that could maybe help the scheme, but is that the job of the scheme to do so or to fund other charities outside the scheme.
I cannot justify paying such high Ap’s either to lease a car, but also I cannot use the scheme if i do not think it is offering what it should be and that we all been taken advantage of and ripped off, while they line their own and their m8’s pockets.
I got no issue with anyone using the scheme either but people need to be informed and make their own choices. After all whatever I have in my car now benefits me and any rise in benefits me also. More than 2/3 of my driving life of just over 30 years, I’ve been a private owner and just under 1/3 of it on the scheme. So it’s not like I have no knowledge of both sides, profits will continu to grow as they work on percentages and the higher the values get the more they will make and the investors in the scheme will get paid, but not us the source.
So you left the Scheme because the CEO was getting paid a bonus. How do you feel when the BBC give money away on a game show or pay Gary Lineaker his massive salary?
I just don’t understand the problem and the obsession with Motability, no one is holding a gun to your head, you are free chose how to use your allowance, the majority of us are quite happy with the scheme.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
I am happy with the scheme. I am unhappy with the injustice of taxpayer-provided funds intended to benefit people qualifying for PIP being misspent by the charity set up to help disabled people, without them being held accountable.
I am happy with the scheme. I am unhappy with the injustice of taxpayer-provided funds intended to benefit people qualifying for PIP being misspent by the charity set up to help disabled people, without them being held accountable.
This all day long.
Any one of us on here could run Motability in the same way as it’s being currently run. The current CEO is doing nothing to justify his bloated salary and bonus.
I just don’t understand the problem and the obsession with Motability, no one is holding a gun to your head, you are free chose how to use your allowance, the majority of us are quite happy with the scheme.
The problem isn’t the scheme. However, the perception when disabled people are required to pay increasing APs for business reasons beyond Motability’s control but the profits hit £1 BILLION and the boss gets huge bonuses. That money comes from the pockets of the disabled people and the taxpayer. Regardless of whether I was on scheme or not I’d be outraged at £1 billion being taken out of the economy, especially paid for out of the government budgets, at the same time as public services are facing strike action for pay. That profit margin would go a long way to aiding problems that the current government can’t (or won’t) find the money to solve. To put it in full context the NHS was given and addition £500Million or HALF A BILLION to solve the problems it’s facing. If payments to Motability were reduced, or profits returned to public coffers, that payment could have been twice as much.
Any private company is perfectly entitled to make a profit, however, when they take money from the public purse, the public have a right to know that money is well spent and profits are not excessive. £1Bn is excessive, it’s getting on for Microsoft or Amazon type amounts, not a single country’s disability mobility company’s level of acceptable profit.
I think that the scheme does a brilliant job, provides reliable transportation to people who would have had a cheap, unreliable and potentially hazardous vehicle with the option to have something suitable that is fully maintained for them. That’s fantastic. What’s less so, and the reason behind this post, is people making large amounts of money from this organisation.
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The other thing is, you can buy shares in a company that you feel is over-performing and earn yourself some money. You can’t do this with Motability. They are now taking complete advantage of their monopoly position and are effectively writing their own cheques paid for by disabled people and the taxpayer. They are unregulated and out of control.
So you left the Scheme because the CEO was getting paid a bonus. How do you feel when the BBC give money away on a game show or pay Gary Lineaker his massive salary?
One of the many mulitude of reasons I decide to leave not the sole reason. Your question wmc is a bit off topic but i will answer it.
Defund the BBC asap, pretty much I do not watch the bbc or much other tv. Neither do my kids. We stream what we need and have a choice as to subcribe or not like many others do and what service/s we subcribe to.
If it was up to me we would not need a tv license and would not pay for one as I would not watch live tv. Mrs atob wants to, so we do have one and she pays for it?
I am happy with the scheme. I am unhappy with the injustice of taxpayer-provided funds intended to benefit people qualifying for PIP being misspent by the charity set up to help disabled people, without them being held accountable.
absolutely and they should and have some competion.
I am happy with the scheme. I am unhappy with the injustice of taxpayer-provided funds intended to benefit people qualifying for PIP being misspent by the charity set up to help disabled people, without them being held accountable.
absolutely and they should and have some competion.
How does competition help?
Currently one company negotiates with each manufacturer. That company then provides what cars it can at the price it negotiates. If there’s two, do they then negotiate exclusive deals with each manufacturer? So Nissan is Motability and KIA with MobilityUK (for example) Stellantis with Motability, Hyundai MobilityUK, MG, Motability, etc. Does that mean that you need acceptance from both before hunting out your car? What if you get accepted from one but not the other just to find the most suitable car you can’t get because it’s the wrong company? What about those disabled people who struggle to get paperwork completed because they have mental capacity difficulties? They’d have to do everything twice? What about dealerships who have multiple brands, would they have different people helping each? Would they support the extra paperwork?
Motability need to be accountable, agree 100%. Motability need to be kept on their toes, again agree 100%. I’m just not convinced that putting other players in the space will make our lives better but I’m more than happy to be proved wrong.
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Well, for those who have boarded the outrage bus, what are you going to do about it?
Posting on an inter web forum no one in a position to do something about it looks at is no use at all.
Write to your MP’s or go to the media or even protest outside their premises – whatever. Just take some form of stand.
Although the last time the media got involved it wasn’t too successful for customers choice I recall.
Quite simple for me what I’m going to do about it. Unless things change dramatically, I will be leaving the scheme when the lease on my vehicle runs out. Whether that be after 3 or 5 years at this moment I’m unsure. I’ve currently got the car that I wanted and paid what I think was a good AP to get it. As it stands there is not a single car on the scheme that I would go for except maybe the Mini JCW as a second car.
So now we know he gets money for nothing but does he get his chicks for free. Like the bit about all we need to do is “pay for fuel” and just wished that was true.
He gets a better car than us and has fuel card on company expenses aswell as his office nicely decorated 🙂
What ever anyone does don’t got to the Daily Mail it will backfire!!
@mfillingham Good points and very constructive, What form of competion it would be, I don’t exactly know but something needs to be done to stop the monolopy they have and the advantages others do not.
It could differ, after all how many leasing companies are there around, more than one. Or fleet and hire companies and they all negotiate with manufactures / dealers separately as even one could do youself.
Or even some form of tendering for a fixed term contract, like how the lottery is run, there maybe other solutions and models than what mbo currently run.m Pretty much it’s being run like that now only difference is there’s no jackpot payouts, except to those running the scheme.
What I don’t understand from some is why you cannot have a discusssion on the big issues about the scheme and this is one of them and whay can some not be outraged by it? Well imo it’s more a matter of being disgusted and outraged for many, over the huge profits and the how they using the funds.
Quite simple for me what I’m going to do about it. Unless things change dramatically, I will be leaving the scheme when the lease on my vehicle runs out. Whether that be after 3 or 5 years at this moment I’m unsure. I’ve currently got the car that I wanted and paid what I think was a good AP to get it. As it stands there is not a single car on the scheme that I would go for except maybe the Mini JCW as a second car.
Many are in the same boat and some who extended for 5 years already and have no option but to leave or get something not suitable to remain on the scheme. A few cars have come back recently but the ap’s are not justifable or afforable for many and what else can you do but leave.
Some just don’t see that as they can afford to pay such high ap’s but not everyone can and for me it is a matter of principle, that I won’t pay over a certain amount over the full allowance to lease a car suitable for my needs. Everytime I have gotten a car the ap has risen that I have payed to now levels that i consider to high for me and i am not alone.
What everyone needs to do is apply for a grant i guess and see if they will help with the cost and if they don’t then what option do you have but to leave.
I don’t even think the ceo really understands or doesn’t care about the situation many are in right now. They will get your car back and make a profit and they’ll get a nice bonus on top of the nice salary and amazing perks. Sounds like bankers to me? meanwhile the charity part gets funds to then give to other causes outside the scheme and to some in the form of grants the 2 mbo & mb are separate but that works ok as then they can play it’s down to you oh no it’s down to you, we don’t control that?
@mfillingham Good points and very constructive, What form of competion it would be, I don’t exactly know but something needs to be done to stop the monolopy they have and the advantages others do not. It could differ, after all how many leasing companies are there around, more than one. Or fleet and hire companies and they all negotiate with manufactures / dealers separately as even one could do youself. Or even some form of tendering for a fixed term contract, like how the lottery is run, there maybe other solutions and models than what mbo currently run.m Pretty much it’s being run like that now only difference is there’s no jackpot payouts, except to those running the scheme. What I don’t understand from some is why you cannot have a discusssion on the big issues about the scheme and this is one of them and whay can some not be outraged by it? Well imo it’s more a matter of being disgusted and outraged for many, over the huge profits and the how they using the funds.
Firstly, thanks I do try and be constructive.
It’s tough. Leasing a car is easy, you buy it then lease it for a while then sell it. Your purchasing power gives you the necessary discounts. For example if you were to approach Nissan UK with an order for 50 QashQai e-Power Tekna +s they’d happily discount them for you. Motability don’t seem to negotiate like that, from the little I see, it seems they offer a certain group of vehicles at a discounted rate but without committing to a set number of units.
Do you set up a number of charitable companies (level playingfield) enabled in the same legislation as Motability, for the provision of vehicles for disabled people of the UK? Then ask them to negotiate with the dealers on the basis that the maximum monthly allowance they get will be 4.333 weeks worth of Higher Rate Mobility allowance or it’s equivalent, anything above that needs to be funded either through resale at the end of lease or Advanced Payments from the customer (us). Then we see who gets the better end of the stick?
What is obvious is that currently, whatever the existing board decide to do, nobody has the inclination to hold them to account. Even this government wouldn’t be too bothered if the Telegraph went into meltdown over the profits and profiteering from disability benefits after all the press they’ve survived over the last few years.
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@mfillingham Good points and very constructive, What form of competion it would be, I don’t exactly know but something needs to be done to stop the monolopy they have and the advantages others do not. It could differ, after all how many leasing companies are there around, more than one. Or fleet and hire companies and they all negotiate with manufactures / dealers separately as even one could do youself. Or even some form of tendering for a fixed term contract, like how the lottery is run, there maybe other solutions and models than what mbo currently run.m Pretty much it’s being run like that now only difference is there’s no jackpot payouts, except to those running the scheme. What I don’t understand from some is why you cannot have a discusssion on the big issues about the scheme and this is one of them and whay can some not be outraged by it? Well imo it’s more a matter of being disgusted and outraged for many, over the huge profits and the how they using the funds.
I have an idea how competition could work. Let the manufacturers have their own mini schemes offering their cars with warranties including tyres, maintenance, servicing etc. Then get Motability to just handle the insurance and transfer of benefits to the manufacturers. Motability should be a government organisation, not a weird business with no competition that makes hundreds of millions in profit from disabled peoples benefits.
@mfillingham for me thats what it’s about, giving people info to help make informed choices for themselves. I have never said I have all or any of the answer, but like many I have many questions and doubts.
I totally agree with alot you say, there is no easy solutions, but clearly it needs looking at again as nothing has changed.
“What is obvious is that currently, whatever the existing board decide to do, nobody has the inclination to hold them to account. Even this government wouldn’t be too bothered if the Telegraph went into meltdown over the profits and profiteering from disability benefits after all the press they’ve survived over the last few years.”
It’s a hard nut to crack that’s for sure and the same government imo are happy to leave the disabled high and dry and try to strip many off the disability benefit in the 1st place. Seems though right now many are making obscene profits from the people, who are struggling, MBO are no different.
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