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i got used to it with Groot (24kwh Leaf) Can i ask if you had frozen handles this morning? My wife couldn’t get in.
***apologies*** i quoted wrong post.. i was trying to reply to JMC’s post I went to see a Megane 2024 Techno comfort trim with heat pump at dealers last week. One of the most disappointing car experiences as i had high hopes the Megane would be my next car and i really like the external styling bar the over sized wheels. I just did not like the cabin at all. Felt very dark and confined. The Reversing camera was very blurry so the salesman got out and cleaned it but still blury..but the killer was the display 48% battery /81 miles and temp was 7 degrees. Just not the car for me but genuinely a little shocked by battery. Of course you have to expect lower range but this seemed extreme to me.
yeah the range is dreadful in the winter. It made the car unusable for us especially when all 5 of us were in the car. We never once managed a 150 mile trip without having to charge. I actually liked the interior and especially liked the way it drives. Such a shame. I thought the amount of Zoes sold over the years at Renault would have given them an advantage in battery tech but obviously not!
Using the departure time setting on the Enyaq so battery and cabin are preheated nicely even with ice outside and the few ice days we had recently I was still geting 3mi/kwh with 240 mile range showing instead of 300 but it’s still pretty good for when cold soaked.
2.1 MilesperKwh doing my short trips.
Yep, I was getting that 2 weeks ago in my E3008. 150 miles from a full charge. WLTP is 326 miles! It wasn’t even below freezing!. Charged her to full on friday night. Done 51 miles and showing 73% battery left and 2.8 miles per kwh. That’s in temperatures of 12 or 13 degrees. Admittedly most of my runs are short 1 or 2 mile trips, but still!
Drove 23 miles today in the Honda E and averaged 4.6kw/h – it was at 4.8 and tailed off in a short journey I made later in the day. It has been down to 2.8 when the cold snap hit.
Keeping heating off made a lot of difference today. Strangely enough I don’t think the heated seats makes a big impact at all. Given the tech in this little car, they really should have put a heat pump.
Goes back in Feb and will certainly miss how easy and manoeuvrable this little car is in London.
Heated seats and steering wheel have a much lower effect on the battery/range than the heating system.
My 85X Enyaq is back to the dealers tomorrow morning, the 12v battery is rubbish, it’s simply not up to doing the job it’s supposed to do. For the last 2-3 weeks every time the car is left for more than say 10-20mins when I come back to it the auto door unlocking/locking and the door handle sensors fail to work.
Luckily it still opens with the remote but I’ve seen several reports of owners having to use the mechanical key to get in as well as the battery being so discharged the car will not power up. I’ve checked the battery voltage and had it read from 11.4v to 11.6v
The cold is having a big effect on the car, 2 weeks ago when it was about -2.5c apart from it not pre-heating and the locking system failing both heated seats refused to work until I’d done about 15 miles/25 mins driving. I stopped off for a hot drink and a sandwich for my son and I and when we got back to the car they started working again.
The next day the passenger seat failed again and is still not working. I fully charged the car last night, had 242 miles range reported this morning, after doing 44 miles today (mainly A roads and not short journeys) the range is now down to 181 miles and it’s already used 26% of the battery.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
I have notice on both our PHEV’s in EV mode (I would imagine EV are affected the same) with the heating on 22 degrees the fan speed setting make a very big difference the higher the fan speed the higher the consumption, we have 6 speed setting, we use the highest speed if we wish to clear the windscreen, medium speed 3 to allow the car to warm up, when up to a reasonable temperature switch to the lowest speed 1.
We find the heated seats and steering wheel have little effect on consumption
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
Noticed the same problem with our 85x, as in having to press the fob instead of keyless entry but wasn’t aware that it was the 12v battery.
The cold is definitely having a an effect , it was making SOS calls the other day when temps went below 0
Also our range has dropped significantly ,but thankfully we’re on cheap overnight electric.
In general though it’s been good since we picked it up in Feb. but not done too many miles.
We're on the train to Bangkok.
We went on a 150 mile trip yesterday and the temp was below 5c and we averaged 3.7m/kWh. GOM also said we had another 41 miles of range left. Quite happy with that although we did drive steady (55mph max) and in eco mode.
Skoda Enyaq Race Blue
When I dropped my 85X off for repair this morning I’d only done 50 miles on a full charge, range down to 170 from 242 and used 29% of the battery!
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Charging to 80% with my Soul gives 185-190 miles, been the same over the past 3 years, accurate too. Thats at current -2 temps, no real change till it gets over 10deg, then it starts to rise again.
Summer now sees over 250 miles on a full charge after changing out the awful Nexen oem tyres, the Bridgedstone replacements gave me an extra 18 miles of range!
In life, it's not who you know that's important, it's how your wife found out.
Just done a 52 mile trip and averaged 3.7 m/kwh. Mild temp 10c. raining. Air con is always on and set to 20c. used 18% of battery. The car is an Audi Q4 45. 8000 miles since march.
Barely getting 200 miles off a full charge in my new e5008 lol… Never been in a colder car in all my life. Even when I turn the heating off, it goes cold so fast.
Bmw iX1 x-line 30 . Getting between 1 + 1.2 mile per percent of charge. So looking at around 110 – 120 miles on a full charge (100%). Kinda useless when the car is needed to travel to a hospital 144 miles away , going to need charged twice on a round trip of 288 miles. So much for making travel easier for disabled people. Why are they leading people down a path of getting an EV when they have not even tested these vehicles in real world conditions. The car itself is great , but was bought to save queueing at petrol stations and for convenience of a disabled person. Seems like it’s going to be the opposite and a total inconvenience and adding some range anxiety into the mix. No wonder EV sales are slumping and the second hand values are abysmal.
AlexT, I have to agree with you. Had to charge on road last week. Location 1, 4 chargers; all taken. Location 2, 2 taken, 2 not working. 3rd location empty… just annoying
Too many things are based on guesses and estimates and not fact. Still to early to make the jump to an EV for the masses as the infrastructure can’t even cope with the little that are on the roads just now.
Even at -7 still getting 200 miles and its not important. I dont do 200 miles a day, it doesnt matter, I can recharge anywhere. People still worry about something that is inconsequential.
I had a diesel focus 12 years ago and would ger 65 mpg easy. Until it winter.
One winter was quite bad and I only drove a mile to see my brother and a mile back. I done that for a week, and noticed the car has used half a tank! 2 miles per day for a week and half a tank used.
Its not just EV.S. That get hit by cold weather.
If you only get 150 miles, its enough, unless you are driving the length and breadth of the country every day…its enough.
Ioniq you might need it and you, me, us need to know what we can expect because someday you may get that dreaded phone call and need to get somewhere asap. In my case it’s only a 40 mile trip, but if that family member was further away then I need to know what I can get in miles.
I have a magic number of 220. That’s how much miles I would need if I get referred to a certain cardiac hospital which will probably happen. So that’s a minimum for me. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve tested the 3 EVs I’ve had from 100% to 1%.
Ice is the same but it does take about 6 minutes to fill an ice car whereas an EV you might need a minimum of 30 minutes to get a quick boost.
Bmw iX1 x-line 30 . Getting between 1 + 1.2 mile per percent of charge. So looking at around 110 – 120 miles on a full charge (100%). Kinda useless when the car is needed to travel to a hospital 144 miles away , going to need charged twice on a round trip of 288 miles. So much for making travel easier for disabled people. Why are they leading people down a path of getting an EV when they have not even tested these vehicles in real world conditions. The car itself is great , but was bought to save queueing at petrol stations and for convenience of a disabled person. Seems like it’s going to be the opposite and a total inconvenience and adding some range anxiety into the mix. No wonder EV sales are slumping and the second hand values are abysmal.
Sorry to hear this. Did you have a decent test drive before ordering? The reason I ask is that I had 3 different iX1s (including the model you have) on 24 hour test drives and with all of them the actual range I was getting was around half what the computer stated when I picked them up x – and this wasn’t in winter! Much as I loved our previous petrol X1, and probably would have got another one had they been on the scheme, I decided that I couldn’t live with the low real world range of the iX1, or any of its peers on the scheme. Strange that your motivation for getting an EV was to avoid queues at petrol stations. I have to say that’s not an issue that I’ve ever had, as I’d always top up when the car was down to around 25% full and if a petrol station was busy I’d just stop at a different one or return when it was quieter. Certainly far less hassle than charging.
Motability are staring to quote real world ranges on EVs now, but as they weren’t doing this when you ordered and the car is clearly not suitable for your needs, I would have thought that they’d let you do an early termination. You’d have to pay £250 but would get a pro rata refund on the AP. However, if you added optional extras (as most BMW drivers do) you’d lose the money on those. May be food for thought for you?
Ioniq you might need it and you, me, us need to know what we can expect because someday you may get that dreaded phone call and need to get somewhere asap. In my case it’s only a 40 mile trip, but if that family member was further away then I need to know what I can get in miles. I have a magic number of 220. That’s how much miles I would need if I get referred to a certain cardiac hospital which will probably happen. So that’s a minimum for me. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve tested the 3 EVs I’ve had from 100% to 1%. Ice is the same but it does take about 6 minutes to fill an ice car whereas an EV you might need a minimum of 30 minutes to get a quick boost.
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Sadly the hospital that my partner whom the car is used by 95% of the time has to attend is 144miles on empty roads and using roads that have had continual roadworks for the past 30 years + 30 years in the future (A9 Scotland). 120 Miles does not cut the mustard , nor does it come anywhere close to the quoted mileage by the manufacturer. 24 hour test drives are still not an option at any dealer i have been to locally from any manufacturer. Ford seems to allow this , but you have to arrange it online and it can take months to have this arranged to happen, as dealers up here in Scotland don’t have a permanent trial vehicle. It’s shared between various dealerships and they each get a certain amount of time to hold onto the car and hand it out once they get their shot. While getting such low mileage from a car might not be such a problem for some people. I think for a lot of people on the scheme the matter of avoiding a petrol station is very much a draw to an EV. My partner has progressive MS and getting in and out of a car is hard enough , never mind the outlook of potentially having to stop 3 times on a journey and waiting around 25 mins for a quick charge on each occasion. Motability still shows the (UP TO) range quoted for these particular cars , which is a very loose term. It’s really down to my partner if she wishes to keep the vehicle as i do know that Motability may be able to cancel the lease as her car is not really suitable. I posted here to alert others to what REAL world mileage you can expect from this particular model. Having owned a diesel and petrol BMW previously , i was more than happy to fill the tank up and get over 500+ miles real world range on them. With an EV you don’t have the option to do this. You get out whatever 100% of the battery holds during each season , regardless of it being hot or cold. Even being over 25c is bad territory for EV batteries , never mind it being cold. From what i see 10c-25c is the goldilocks temperatures you need to be praying for when you wake up. Even in these temps i still don’t believe they will ever achieve their quoted mileage.
Screenshot is from a short journey today at 9c
@AlexT your above pic shows you have used 1.4kW to drive 3.3 miles, which eaquals just under 2.4 miles per KWh. The useable battery size 64.7kWh, meaning in theory you should get 155 miles from a full charge. However this will very much depend on use of heating, roads and speed travelled etc.
If you visit the hospital frequently, it might be worth getting a monthly subscription for charging, which will lower the cost charged per kWh. Do you have open to all Tesla chargers enroute, as they will likely work out the cheapest.
@AlexT, those are awful figures!
My i4 shows a range of 195/205 in this weather and 240/260 in summer.
As I think the iX1 has a similar capacity battery to the i4, the difference is astounding, even given the colder weather and presumably hillier conditions compared to where I live in East Anglia.
Without wishing to patronise you, you should select Eco Pro mode and use Adaptive Regenerative Braking when you can.
Having said that, the car is clearly not suitable for your needs and I would echo @Glos Guy’s suggestion to terminate early
2024 - BMW i4 Grand Coupe eDrive 35 Sport
2020 - Volvo XC40 T4 Inscription
2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-TronicWe take our energy usage from the draw on our Popoint charger and divide by the mileage, that way it allows for any charging losses, over the past 16 months in the summer we are recording 3.7/3.8 miles a kWh, this time of year we are seeing around 2.5 miles a kWh
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
Thats not very good, getting 120 miles out the Beemer 70kw battery??You are correct its not good enough for your requirements!
The A9, Its an awful trip going up and down that road..
Every year EV,s and their infrastructure is improving.
It doesnt help you now, but the scheme can fix that rather quickly.
Am still flummoxed that you only get 120 miles out of a bmw. What are they thinking about? No surprise no one wants a bmw with that range. Badge over substance.
Even still, at 120 miles anywhere along your route a 10 minute toilet break / charge will be enough to get you to your appointment.
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