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BBC – Electric car maker Tesla says it delivered a record 1.3m vehicles last year, 40% more than in 2021. It comes after the company delivered more than 405,000 vehicles in the last three months of 2022.
Those are obviously global figures but impressive all the same. It can only be a matter of time before Tesla comes onto the scheme, right?!
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Fortunately we all get to choose our cars, so it Tesla isn’t your cup of tea, plenty of other choices!
I dont think the Tesla 3 or Y will win beauty awards, but that blandness is for a reason.
There are real world examples of people getting over 5 miles per Kw/h in a 3
The RWD seal has great performance too but a with much bigger battery, but as neither are on Motability, which is better is largely academic, at this time
BYD as a manufacturer are on the list and the Atto 3 is on my shortlist its a lot of car for £0AP Would I get a Seal if offered – certainly a contender!
I wouldn’t have a Tesla if they gave me one. The model 3 is one of the most bland, horrible looking cars around ? Hyundai/Kia 800v architechture is on par with TeslaV3 chargers but, if you don’t live near one or your route don’t take you past one, you ma as well have a BYD Dolphin. At least it has more charactar. Then there is the fact, if its going to take around 20 minutes to to charge, whats another 10 minutes in the grand scheme of things, when compared to adding a 400 mile tank full of petrol. On the topic of BYD, the Seal is what Tesla should be looking at, when designing a car.
Tesla’s do nothing for me either, but isn’t their USP quicker charging times, which partially helps overcome a major barrier / irritant to EV ownership for many? I’m not sure I understood your ICE comparison though. My ICE car takes 5 minutes to refuel to get me a 600 mile range. I don’t think that even Tesla’s are that quick!
We are overseas at present and the other day I saw a BYD SUV that looked quite smart. It might be a US model thats not in the UK, or not destined for the UK, but it looked a decent size.
I wouldn’t have a Tesla if they gave me one. The model 3 is one of the most bland, horrible looking cars around ? Hyundai/Kia 800v architechture is on par with TeslaV3 chargers but, if you don’t live near one or your route don’t take you past one, you ma as well have a BYD Dolphin. At least it has more charactar. Then there is the fact, if its going to take around 20 minutes to to charge, whats another 10 minutes in the grand scheme of things, when compared to adding a 400 mile tank full of petrol. On the topic of BYD, the Seal is what Tesla should be looking at, when designing a car.
Tesla’s do nothing for me either, but isn’t their USP quicker charging times, which partially helps overcome a major barrier / irritant to EV ownership for many? I’m not sure I understood your ICE comparison though. My ICE car takes 5 minutes to refuel to get me a 600 mile range. I don’t think that even Tesla’s are that quick! We are overseas at present and the other day I saw a BYD SUV that looked quite smart. It might be a US model thats not in the UK, or not destined for the UK, but it looked a decent size.
I believe that would be the Seal U, due for launch shortly.
Getting some good reviews if not quite as good as the saloon Seal
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Sorry missed 5 mins refuel time for ice 🙂
Hyundai/Kia , Porsche and Tesla have around the same charge time “if” you can find/get to one of their superfast chargers.
The BYD I saw was something like this
The BYD I saw was something like this https://www.byd.com/eu/car/tang
The Tang is both a EV and a PHEV in some markets, with it 2l engine acting as a range extender. It has 4 electric motors boasting 1,184bhp, 3.6s 0-60 ?
However its doubtful the Eurpoean version will have no where near that.
The Seal U will be electric and most likely a PHEV version will appear in some markets.
Teslas are I ho very poorly engineered, if you look behind the glass of tge fast charging and some fast speeds, the actual design does nothing for engineering repairs.
Cars are designed, nit just for ease of assembly, but also ease of repair, crash cans, chassis assy etc,
One reason Tesla won’t cone onto tge scheme us the huge costs of repair, mainly in tge thousands, also they don’t keep stocks of parts to repair, there are people buying crashed usa teslas to bring to Europe to strip tor repairs as lead times are in months
Tesla M3 range is 318 miles or 390 for the long range model.
The tech is miles better than the ID range.
The prior CEO of VW said that VW needed to aspire to be as good as Tesla, as has the CEO of Ford. So quality can’t be that bad…?Odd that’s not what their competitor CEOs say, apart from Ford and VW as mentioned, Toyota said that the Tesla Model Y was a work of art:
If these competitors are in awe of Teslas engineering what is your basis and their qualification for disagreeing with them?
Motability have said time and time again that Tesla will not come on to the scheme. So if anyone wants one, they need to do it privately.
35 years in Materials Engineering, Financial Warranty Recovery, Module Leader Transmission and Drivelines, Hew Model Launch Co Ordinator, and development of various cars from mini, various saloons and estates, 4x4s and very expensive hand built sports cars.
We did teardowns if many competitors cars including Teslas and Toyotas I have visited many car manufacturing plants, including Toyota City, Honda, Mazda, Nissan in Japan, Ford in Dearborbe and various German plants.
Toyota are nit at tge forefront of manufacturing,rather, like the corrola, find a process that works and sticks with ut. They failed to see the push towards evs and have been rushing to catch up.
I will say again, the reason Teslas are so expensive to repair us because of poor engineering design.
What’s your knowledge apart from Internet reading?
There are plenty if articles, including JF Piwer and videos showing tge shocking quality if Tesla care,
Here is one to get you starter
The “latest” gen Model Y, has has changed immensely under the skin, with the use of Giga casting eliminated countless parts and brackets – Is this such a good idea in the event of an accident and associated repair costs/write of due to the design of the frame. I’m not convinced!
Toyota also realised legacy companies are likely to repurpose parts, such as cooling hoses, from their internal combustion vehicles, whils’t Tesla used thinner hoses made out of cheaper materials, because the cooling needs of EVs are lower, saving both £’s whils’t reducing the vehicles overall weight.
Toyota were particularly interested in how Chinese BTD/CATL natteries were placed in the structure of the floor. However Tesla wern’t the first to do this.
Toyota was once a leader in electrification, battery hybrids, but the transition to electric vehicles has been for Japan as a whole.
Tesla is frequently reported of having unsatisfactory paint jobs along with panel fittment. Personally I wouldn’t entertain a Tesla and would much rather opt for the likes of a BYD Seal or Sea Lion anyday!
Motability have said time and time again that Tesla will not come on to the scheme. So if anyone wants one, they need to do it privately.
Some russel guy who says he works for motabilty on a FB group says tesla will be on the scheme and will be at the Birmigham motability event in may also that tesla staff have already been trained and everything motability end is ready. BUT not sure now credible it is, Admin of the group seem to believe hes trustworty ?
Hi Russ works in operations – Its entirely up to everyone here to judge the merits of this – We’ll know before long either way.
It was actually my post on that group that got that unexpected Tesla response – I decided not to share as constantly get flamed if mentioning this anywhere.
However now someone else has mentioned it here are my thoughts:
I think it’s likely to happen as is only going to initially be available at 4 dealerships (with an additional 2 pick up points)
I suspect Tesla are dipping their toes to see how Motability work out for them, but being only at a handful of dealerships means its easier to pull the plug, if it doesn’t work for them
The AP is high at £3999 for a three (standard) or £7999 for a LR most people arent going to go for this when the likes of BYD are £0AP
Same source also stated Polestar are joining, and are slightly higher APs
It’s true, this guy could be pulling our leg, or at the last minute one side gets cold feet and pulls out.
We’ll know at the Motability event at the NEC is may as both manufactures are supposedly there with adapted cars to test drive.
Nothing official has been announced for either manufacturer , but this needs to happen soon as May isn’t far away.
Still very much rumour, its not fact till officially announced, but that if this rumour is genuine or not will be known by end May at the latest. Tesla and Polestar will be or wont be at Motability’s NEC big event
Other than my opinion, I have no additional knowledge more than anyone else who can read that thread. This is still rumour – I’m not saying its true. I’m only posting this at all as some (like me) may be able to pause their renewal decisions (via contract extension) to see how this pans out. If it comes to nothing then there are plenty of other cars on the scheme, most way cheaper!!
Do you have a link to the post please @CassarJ? I don’t Facebook nor Tesla but then you quoted Polestar ?
"Come on BYD Seal!"For those that dont Facebook here are the interesting comments: Motability Big Event NEC
Russ Page : Il be there as will tesla and polestar 2 so may be worth while for anyone interested in these cars
I asked re APs for the 2: two models single motor standard range £4700 and single motor long range £7100
As per above this is very much still rumour mill – additional interesting comments in same thread re test drives, dealerships etc
I like the Model 3 and I love their charging infrastructure, but £4000 AP for a Model 3 or £1500 for an Enyaq, I’d rather have the Enyaq and a couple of holidays!
Indeed and the Polestar is even more is rumours are true!
You could get the top of the range Enyaq for £2600ish and still go away!
For me its all about the charging I live in an apartment so getting a charger is going to me either expensive or impossible. A supercharger is about a mile away!
So one person comes onto Facebook reporting to work for Motability and already have prices for Tesla. I’m not going to say it’s all a hoax. But……
Judge for yourself but as I said we’ll know either way soon enough as they’d have to have this all done to be at the NEC in May
(my opinion) If they have prices to me that seems to be because they re in advanced stages of getting this done.
I only reported the rumour as exactly that, we’ll know soon enough!
It could all be a hoax – sure but this guys info has panned out before on other topics, but that doesn’t make this fact, and I’m not saying it is…
There are plenty of other choices in this doesn’t pan out and I’m test driving actual cars on the scheme this weekend. I’m fortunate in that as a low miler I can extend contract
I’ll wait a few months, to see if it turns out to be true or not. I can then make an informed decision.
I’d recommend others do same, rather than just hope its true (or not!)
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