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No reply from my HA (no surprise there) but Kerbo Charge passed my enquiry onto my local council.
Had an email today saying if I’m interested they’d send someone round to see if my parking area is suitable (it should be) and the cost to fit the £36 worth of gulley (available on Amazon and elsewhere) is a mere £600! They did however say there’s a small pot of money for this trial so I could get it done for £300. I’d have to pay for the install of a suitable charger myself.
This would be my only option to be able to charge a BEV or PHEV due to my parking situation.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
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So am I right in saying council approved but you got to pay out of your own pocket?
If you can push Kerbo to get it done for £300, I’d let them do it as it will be approved and registered with council and by far the best option!
Ask motability for a grant ?
If they won’t do it for £300, get onto the council and ask them to approve a channel system buy the £36 one and get a local company give you a price for fitting!
From what I read the work would be done by the council, and yes, I have to pay for it.
This is what I got from the council’s EV team,
“There is a small pot of money available during the trial period to help get the project off the ground and support a number of early installations. The install cost of the gully is £600, and we are covering 50% of this, so a cost of £300 to yourself. Just to be clear it covers the groundworks and Kerbo Charge product only, the EV charger would need to be purchased by the home owner.
Our highways team need to asses each location to determine the suitability for a gully (pavement size, parking restrictions, obstructions etc.). The fitment of the gully also does not guarantee you that parking spot, so we do recommend talking to neighbours etc to ensure you can access the gully for charging when required.”
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Just to check my maths before I start down this rabbit hole,
Am I correct in assuming that to charge say a 65Kw battery using a 7Kw home charger it would take about 9-10 hours?
So, if I switch to say Octopus Intelligent which gives me 6hrs cheap rate electricity (7.5p/Kwhr) per night it would take almost 2 nights to fully charge it?
This would give me say 250+ miles for £5.25?, 10hrs at 52.5p per hr (7 x£0.075)
My current Ateca at 36mpg would cost me over £40!!
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
I think your cost calculations are slightly out mate –
To work out how long an EV will take to charge you can use either of these calculations.
Battery capacity (kWh) x 1000 / EVSE power (kW) x 1000
(65 kWh x 1000 / 7 kW x 1000 = 9.3 hours)
or simply Battery capacity (kWh) / EVSE power (kW)
(65kWh / 7kw = 9,3 hours)
To work out the cost (£) based on unit rate of electricity.
Battery capacity (kWh) x unit rate of electricity
(65 kWh x 0.075p = £4.87)
The aove calculations are based on charging your EV to 100% battery capacity, which you would only do if you were going on a long journey! For everyday running around its best keeping the battery within optimum range and keeping the charge between 20 – 80% or 10 – 80%.
To work this out, keeping the battery capacity between 20 – 80% which is 60% of the battery capacity – you would do the folling to work out what 60% of the battery capacity is in kWh –
60% (as a decimal) x total battery capacity (kWh)
(0.6 x 65 kWh = 39kWh)
To work out the cost to charge 39 Kwh you can follow the above exampe.
(39 kWh x 0.075p = £2.93)
* You would also need to add 5% VAT on the above charging costs, which is peanuts.
There is another calculaion based on efficiency and charging time required, (which is not difficult) that may be useful if you were to plan journeys but, were look at that when the time comes 🙂
Hope this helps!
Thanks Kezo 🙂
I was rounding up and erring on the bad side as I simply couldn’t beleive the costs!, a £5 home charge for 200-250 miles is stupidly cheap compared to £35-£45 for petrol!.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Also, your xalculatiobsxare based on an ICE based running if an event, I.e. run the battery down to 20% or less, then recharge to 109%. In fact, you keep the battery at 80% by frequent charging, 100% for when you are doing a very long run. It would ge few tines you would be charging 20-80%.
Also, your xalculatiobsxare based on an ICE based running if an event, I.e. run the battery down to 20% or less, then recharge to 109%. In fact, you keep the battery at 80% by frequent charging, 100% for when you are doing a very long run. It would ge few tines you would be charging 20-80%.
The aove calculations are based on charging your EV to 100% battery capacity, which you would only do if you were going on a long journey! For everyday running around its best keeping the battery within optimum range and keeping the charge between 20 – 80% or 10 – 80%. To work this out, keeping the battery capacity between 20 – 80% which is 60% of the battery capacity – you would do the folling to work out what 60% of the battery capacity is in kWh –
🙂
@Kezo Thanks again 🙂
Basically that leaves having to choose a new car 🙂
So far the Mazda CX60 PHEV ticks almost every box but it’s £7000 for the Homura trim plus whatever petrol I’d be using on any but short journeys. Next in line would be the Toyota BZX4 in Motion trim at £4200 but full BEV so reduced fuel costs and the free charger.
I’ve looked (on paper) at the Ariya and Enyaq, the Ariya has a lot of kit as standard for the base trim @ £2500, I don’t think it’s worth the extra £2000 just for the 87Kw battery or extra £3000 to move up to Advance trim.
The Enyaq in Studio trim is nice but apart from the Clever Pack none of the other packs are an option apart from on the Sportline or VRS and they’re expensive!.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Thanks Kezo
I was rounding up and erring on the bad side as I simply couldn’t beleive the costs!, a £5 home charge for 200-250 miles is stupidly cheap compared to £35-£45 for petrol!.If your able to charge at home the majority of time, it can be far cheaper than running your Ateca and you’ll soon make up the £300 kerbo cost. Going on longer runs that exceed your battery capacity range, you have no option but, to use public chrgers, which is where the price of charging can be expensive and fluctuate with petrol costs but, if most of your journeys are within battery range and you charge at home, you will soon cancel out additional scosts with public chargers, your EVwill be very cheap to run 🙂
I hope that makes sense as I’m having a off day and have had to double up on pills whch are still in my sytem making me loopy lol.
@Phaedra I’m considering the CX60 Exclusive line, with the comfort and convenience packs £6495 – £250 AP contribution. It misses out on the Bose stero and sunroof, which doesm’t bother me. Also I’m not a fan of high AP cars that I will get nothing back in return 🙂
Anyhow I’ll get to my point – with a PHEV you will only get 30 to 40 miles EV range, after that you are driving a hybrid. You will also have to charge the battery every night to get the most efficiency.
Also Motability won’t fit a charger for a PHEV, leaving you to use the slower type 2 charging cable, which will leave you to plug it into a socket in the house and through an open/ajar window or having an external ip65 socket fitted on the outside wall at your cost.
With an EV you will beable to travel say 200 miles on pure Electric and if most of your journeys are mainly localish you would only need to keep the battery topped up once a week. For the odd 200 or 300 mile journey you can charge to 100% cheaply at home and charge once at a public charger, which will still average out far cheaper than have a PHEV and carrying the additional weight of the batteries in hybrid mode once your electric range is depleted. Motability will also fit you a charger for free or at the fraction of the cost depending where you want it*.
The reason for me having a PHEV or Hybrid is I do 350-400 miles every 3 weeks and the need I will need to do it one day at speed in an emergency without worrying about stopping off fo a charge especially over winter.
I’m not too far away from Bassetts Nissan who put the offer up on theAriya, so popped round as it was only next door to Mazda. I thought the Ariya was spacious and had a far more upmarket look inside than the id4 and enyak. If I was afteran EV I’d probably choose the Ariya given the good AP contribution.
* How far is your consumer unit (fuse box) from where you would have the charger fitted?
Hi and thanks again for the info 🙂
My consumer unit is right at the front of the house, we have a small entrance area (vestibule?) and it’s on the right side wall. The car will have to parked on the left side as my neighbour needs access to his parking area on the right.
I’d estimate that if they can fit the charger on the left wall it would be about 5m from the wall with the cable lying over the garden to the pavement, then about 1.5 to 2.5m under the pavement and into the car.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
It sounds as though it will be a standard install of the carger, so there will be no additional cost installing it. The only small issue I see is Ohme chargers come with 5 meters of tethered cable, so there would be a small additional cost of fitting a 7.5m tethered cable. The other option is to request an Easee one charger with notability as they come with a 7.5m tethered cable 🙂
Thanks, I’d go with the Ohme as it’s what Octopus recommend.
I’ve emailed the council EV department back and said I’d like to go ahead with things. Also mentioned that the trunking is only £36/m and I could supply it if it made things any cheaper 🙂
Being cheeky I also asked if the work could be covered by a disabled facilities grant. As we say in the North East “Shy bairns get nowt” 😀
I’m leaning towards the Toyota at the moment but will have a look at it and Enyaq hopefully tomorrow. Both garages are within 5 mins of each other.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Indeed get what you can out of them, although the £36 on Amazon may not be type approved by your council as its not Kerbo but great if you can get a DFG grant 🙂
The Ohme home pro tethered cable can be extended from 5 to 8m at the point of installation so don’t forget to request a longer length when contacted.
I can’t help with choice of car as its a personal thing. Although I’m not a fan of all the plastic on the BZX4 and don’t discount MG’s long range ZS and 4 if your mainly local and would have a cheaper AP. The Reno Megane if its not too low.
Any update mate?
I was reading this last night and it got interesting the further you read down the page.
Had the council chap out to measure up, footpath needs some repair (not at my expense) as the tarmac is slightly raised and cracked near the gully position.
Housing estate manager rang me about permission to fit a charger to the wall (after being threatened with the ombudsman) and said she was looking into it and would ring back, that was over 2 weeks ago.
Other than that nothing. Not even an update from the garage about a build week for the car.
At worst (if I get the cable gully fitted) I can fit an outside 13A socket and use a granny charger lead, not ideal but it will do. I’d charge overnight at 7.5p and just le it continue at 26p until charged if needed, it’s still a lot cheaper then my nearest public charger or petrol!.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Keep nagging them however, your holiday is far more important at the moment. Hope you recover quickly so you can enjoy the rest of your stay 🙂
I can fit an outside 13A socket and use a granny charger lead, not ideal but it will do. I’d charge overnight at 7.5p and just le it continue at 26p until charged if needed, it’s still a lot cheaper then my nearest public charger or petrol!.
Sadly, it doesn’t quiet work like that, you can only get Octopus Intelligent with a compatible car or charger, so if using a granny charger you’d need a compatible car to get the cheap rate electric.
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Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Yes, I realise that, I have an Enyaq on order, hence getting the gully fitted and hopefully a proper charger.
Hope your feeling a little better today 🙂
In the unlikely event $hit its the fan and you can’t have a few options.
1 – the most important the Enyak is a compatible charger as is theehole VW group.
2 – A CCS commando socket (similar to a 3 phase socket) will give you 7kW charging. Many Tesla users or those with a second EV go this route (linking to 7kW chargers together halfs share the out put) A commando socket doesn’t.
3 – The Ohme Go (only available used now) is a smart charger, to access Octopus for those who don’t have a compatible vehicle.
BUT, your on holiday, which is far more important than thinking of how your going to charge your car. Enjoy 🙂
I’d love to see the charger install when it is done @Phaedra
And any idea when the car might be with you??
Skoda Enyaq Race Blue
I was rounding up and erring on the bad side as I simply couldn’t beleive the costs!, a £5 home charge for 200-250 miles is stupidly cheap compared to £35-£45 for petrol!.
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