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While looking around it seems to me that we are being pushed very much into buying Electric vehicles..
I live in a Ground floor flat so do not have any options to charge at home.
Like many people on here we rely on our families and friends to help us.
Everyone’s life’s are busy so I would feel awful to ask people to sit with me to charge a vehicle.
So electric vehicles do not work for me, and I am sure for many other?
The way we are being pushed means that we are not getting dealer offers any sort of discount on non charging hybrid cars.
Shame the dealers do not off the same offer across their models as they do on Electric models.
How have you guys found this or am I the only one feel this way?
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I only said this morning, that it will soon be known as the Electric Motability scheme!
Motabilty can get preferential rates on buying EV’s, as they aren’t selling great in the retail market. Its a win win situation for both Motability, who get good deals and the manufacturer, who is able to meet the ZEV mandate and not risk heavy fines.
Shame the dealers do not off the same offer across their models as they do on Electric models.
Some dealers do make offers across both EV and petrol/diesel vehicles.
For example the £500 off BMW and Mini at Marshall.
Also the £250 off Mazda at Burrows.
Above are listed in the Deals and offers thread.
Like an example Top spec Citroen ë-C4 ë-Series electric is Nil AP
now the next one down the Max which is the highest spec you can get now in a Petrol Diesel now been stopped the 1.2 130 EAT8 Max is £1,295.
Current Car Citroën C4 1.2 155 EAT8 Shine Plus
Citroën Fanatic.
@monty No you are certainly not alone. This forum is not representative of the overall market. Huge enthusiasm for EVs and high adoption levels, yet I think that, in reality, only about 6% of Motability customers have one so far and, as has been widely reported, demand from private customers has slowed down. Manufacturers are therefore having to rely on fleet markets to meet their targets and are probably heavily incentivising them as a result whilst, at the same time, refusing to offer very good deals on ICE cars, even though there remains far more demand for them than there is for EVs.
I’m sure that there are a lot of Motability customers who rarely, if ever, do long journeys and can charge at home. For those folk, Motability is a great route to running an EV, especially with the home charger installation being paid for. However, for those people not yet ready to make the change and / or don’t have the provision to charge at home, which is most likely to be a far greater proportion of the Motability customer base, the choice is pretty dire.
govts charging companies for not selling enough of them compared to gas versions caused this lack of balance. easy for govt to make themselves look eco without really costing them any money. joe public gets the hard choices tho.
after saying that, if my next ev(if indeed it is) at a reduced price i guess i wont complain quite as loudly…
Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistI’ve watched many video’s of perfectly abled folk with EV’s struggling with the charging cables that to me having the use of only one hand gives me nightmares as it seems you need two hands to deal with those cables and connectors, never mind any trip hazards with the thought of trying to connect an EV to a charger regardless where it’s too.
I’ve never really seriously thought about leaving MB as I love the “no worries” that MB are suppose to be about but in 3 or 4 years time when I have no choice I think I will be going down the second-hand car market route.
I’ve never really seriously thought about leaving MB as I love the “no worries” that MB are suppose to be about but in 3 or 4 years time when I have no choice I think I will be going down the second-hand car market route.
You won’t be the first or last to say that!
2 January 2024 news letter –
Motability Operations, the UK’s largest fleet owner, drives towards an EV future.
“Motability Operations, the company behind the life-changing Motability Scheme, is continuing to make sure no one is left behind in the transition to electric, as it offers its biggest ever choice of affordable and accessible EVs to its customers.”
I’ve watched many video’s of perfectly abled folk with EV’s struggling with the charging cables that to me having the use of only one hand gives me nightmares as it seems you need two hands to deal with those cables and connectors, never mind any trip hazards with the thought of trying to connect an EV to a charger regardless where it’s too. I’ve never really seriously thought about leaving MB as I love the “no worries” that MB are suppose to be about but in 3 or 4 years time when I have no choice I think I will be going down the second-hand car market route.
When we had a BMW iX1 30e for the day, I didn’t have to charge it but I had to lift the charging cable out of the boot in order to get my wife’s wheelchair in. I was absolutely staggered at how heavy it was.
my charger at home has a tethered cable. its fairly stiff and heavy and i use 2 crutches, but i manage it ok. its amazing what your hands can carry as well as the crutch. even arthritic hands lol. i have to admit ive never used a public charger tho so that might be trickier. never needed to as the kona has pretty decent range
Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistI certainly don’t think Motability or the industry as a whole have considered the practical side of EV ownership for disabled people, be it having a home charger or plugging in the charger cable at home or a public charger.
Not quite sure i understand the issue here. There’s plenty of petrol/PHEV/diesel to get on the scheme, did something change overnight? Out of over 900 models/trims, exactly 200 are electric.
Doesn’t seem particularly off to me, not quite sure how there’s a discrepancy. Car manufacturers are offering EVs cheaper than ICE vehicles to the scheme. If they stop making “special terms” for EVs, the only thing that’s going to change is that EVs are going to be priced the same way as ICE cars. Not that ICE cars magically come down in price.
Are prices too high? Yeah, absolutely. I’d love a PHEV 3series, would much prefer it to the electric i4. But trying to turn EVs into some kind of scapegoat isn’t just nonsense, but counterproductive too – it obscures the actual problem that Motability is overcharging for cars.
No, we’re not “being pushed” to EVs, they’re just cheaper. If you don’t want one, just don’t buy one. That doesn’t have anything to do with dealer offers, i don’t think there’s any dealer offers for EVs on the scheme – there certainly are dealer offers for ICE cars. Manufacturers on the other hand offer EVs with preferential rates to fleet customers – which they have to do to meet targets set by the government. Otherwise they’d be simply the same price (or, likely more) as the equivalent ICE variant.
As an example, the i4 being £5500, and the 330e being £8000, despite being lower trim and lower in the model range. If the EV targets go away magically tomorrow, the 330e will be £8000, and the i4 £8999.
It’s what it is, nobody is entitled to a particular manufacturer. We’d love the 3series, as mentioned, but are priced out. Sucks to be me, is what it is – i’ll continue looking around until i find a PHEV (or maybe EV) that suits us (and more importantly, our wallet).
Just, to point this out again. 200 out of 916 cars are electric. 52 are diesel, and the vast majority (512) is petrol, with PHEV/Mild hybrids filling the rest, so choice certainly is there.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.both are about same retail but the i4 wont sell retail as well perhaps until more are seen on road and of course they need to sell a lot due to the charges hence the ap difference. bmw want us to buy them
Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistI am going full electric having ‘dabbled’ with my PHEV. But you’re right the weight of the cable chargers needs consideration by us. I’d asked for an 8metre tethered cable but they sent 5metres and having felt its weight I’m glad they did.
in addition I have a spinal cord stimulator and I have found that the fast chargers interfere with it. At home this won’t be an issue as the car will be scheduled to charge overnight when I’m nowhere near it but out and about I’m almost certain I’m going to have to ask someone else to plug it in for me.
in addition I have a spinal cord stimulator and I have found that the fast chargers interfere with it. At home this won’t be an issue as the car will be scheduled to charge overnight when I’m nowhere near it but out and about I’m almost certain I’m going to have to ask someone else to plug it in for me.
EV’s along with charging equipment can potentially cause electromagnetic interference (EMI) and strong electromagnetic fields in implanted electrical devices and other battery operated medical devices.
in addition I have a spinal cord stimulator and I have found that the fast chargers interfere with it. At home this won’t be an issue as the car will be scheduled to charge overnight when I’m nowhere near it but out and about I’m almost certain I’m going to have to ask someone else to plug it in for me.
EV’s along with charging equipment can potentially cause electromagnetic interference (EMI) and strong electromagnetic fields in implanted electrical devices and other battery operated medical devices.
actually driving an EV car seems fine and certainly my PHEV has caused no issues either. A three pin granny charger has no effect but an active fast charger or sitting in a car whilst it charges for certain turns my signal off. In my case that means pain and restarting the implant away from the charger, but for others it might be a lot more serious
in addition I have a spinal cord stimulator and I have found that the fast chargers interfere with it. At home this won’t be an issue as the car will be scheduled to charge overnight when I’m nowhere near it but out and about I’m almost certain I’m going to have to ask someone else to plug it in for me.
EV’s along with charging equipment can potentially cause electromagnetic interference (EMI) and strong electromagnetic fields in implanted electrical devices and other battery operated medical devices.
actually driving an EV car seems fine and certainly my PHEV has caused no issues either. A three pin granny charger has no effect but an active fast charger or sitting in a car whilst it charges for certain turns my signal off. In my case that means pain and restarting the implant away from the charger, but for others it might be a lot more serious
Its good you have an understanding of any potential issues and can take steps to protect yourself.
I would image a group of cars charging where there is several 15okW above chargers would create the strongest fields over say a 7kW home charger but, don’t try it on my behalf lol.
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