[Mike]

Hi has anyone paid for a non-standard installation and if so what were the charges for and how much?

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[Ele]

Cant help much as there are

So many individual unknown factors involved

The charge will reflect the extra work needed

cable length/holes to be drilled/labour hrs

Not much help Im afraid

 

• This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Ele.

[Nas]

Not been asked to pay anything as yet, im awaiting the install but they came 3 times and not mentioned any non standard charges. I have been told by the people who manage the electricity infrastructure of our property (electricity north west) that our electricity cable in on a shared loop with 2 of our neighbours and as such they will need to unloop our property to have a seperate cable for us to be able to have the charger installed. They say they might have to dig up our garden and driveway to get this done BUT crucially they say the work is free of charge and any costs to put garden and driveway right will also be theirs. Having said ALL that though I’m still awaiting a visit next week where a final decision will be made as to how to proceed

[MFillingham]

The standard is a single hole in a wall, 15 metres of cable and installing on a wall.  Extras scope from a few more metres of cable up to digging trenches, creating fixing points, upgrading the supply to the house.  The cost can go north incredibly quickly but you will need the survey to understand exactly what needs doing.

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[kezo]

MFillingham wrote:

The standard is a single hole in a wall, 15 metres of cable and installing on a wall. Extras scope from a few more metres of cable up to digging trenches, creating fixing points, upgrading the supply to the house. The cost can go north incredibly quickly but you will need the survey to understand exactly what needs doing.

When I fitted chages upto a couple of years ago prior before my illness got to bad, You used to give a price for the Job factoring in drill bits, The installation would include as many holes drilling as needed, trenches dug if needed and enough SWA cable needed to complete the job, plus all interior work. We would fill in survey sheets, liase with the DNO if the premises required its supply updating, delooping and Cut out upgrading (fuse) The DNO would carry out any work under a minor works order, free of charge for first time EVCP installations, abeit the majority of my work was commercial, with domestic installs done when time was available.

This standard installation Motability pay for is the best of two evils. With the majority of installs falling under the standard catorgory, Those that don’t cost upto £1%0 onto of the standard install or can work out much dearer that a standard install isn’t worth it. I do think however, Motability should knock off a percentage of the AP of the cost of the charger or credit your bank  if you fall outside the standard installation and its cheaper to pay someone else!

@Mike your worring over nothing if  Motability hasn’t instructed a survey or you haven’t filled out the forms yet 🙂

Is your consumer unit (fuse box) on or near an external wall near to where you want you charger located, Do you have a spare way in you consumer unit, to fit an MCB (circuit breaker) for the charger, If not do you have space next or near to the consumer unit  for a sall cnsumer unit? Do you know what size tails (cables are coming from the electric meter to your consumer unit (or post any photos of you meter cupboard) How old is your home approx?

[Menorca Mike]

If I had charger installation I’d have it 2 feet from my meter cubard fuse box how long is the charging lead are they heavy ? I’d want it 5 feet to get to car on drive

[Mike]

Thanks everyone I guess I will see what the survey result is

 

[kezo]

Menorca Mike wrote:

If I had charger installation I’d have it 2 feet from my meter cubard fuse box how long is the charging lead are they heavy ? I’d want it 5 feet to get to car on drive

A tethered cable is around 13ft-26ft ?(4-8m)

[kezo]

Duplicate.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by kezo.

[Footloose]

Hi

can I ask ..I’m currently in a house with a driveway close to my door but may downsize to a flat ..if so and if  I can’t have a home charge point is using the public network of chargers stressful and does any others have these circumstances ?This is incase I go the electric route.Thanks in advance for any advice ?

[Ad1]

Hi,

just wondering if any one knows if this could be used to attach an EV charger to.

the house is about 10 years old, so I doubt the builders were thinking about EV charging points.

thanks,

 

Ad1

[Abercol]

We had a non-standard install, but none of the then providers (BP Pulse, Podpoint, SSE, Wallbox) got back to me  – I was pretty much ignored.

I then purchased my own EV charger and contacted a local electrician for the install, he quoted £250 to supply and fit 2 x 25 metre lengths of 6mm armoured cables (was running 1, thought we might as well run another for future use) form our upstairs fuse box into the roof, then down at the back of the house to the basement and up through wall to charger. Fit and test charger & fit double outside socket for the other cable along with the RCBO for the car charger in the upstairs fuse box.

Total cost with my Viridian charger was £550. Somewhat cheaper than the 2021 price quoted by everyone else for a standard install.

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[Abercol]

Ad1 wrote:

Hi, just wondering if any one knows if this could be used to attach an EV charger to.  the house is about 10 years old, so I doubt the builders were thinking about EV charging points. thanks, Ad1

You’d need an electrician to vouch for it, it would depend on the cable gauge and what RCB is required by the charger and your main fuse rating and/or if you have space in your fuse box for a larger RCBO and/or what requirements the charger has regarding earthing/PEN fault/CT clamps.

Basically best to get an OHME unit via Motability as they will do everything without you needing to worry about it & the OHME unit itself is very reliable and able to be used on the cheap EV tariffs offered by the likes of Octopus and OVO

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[Tardelli1]

Do you have to have a Smart Meter, if you have a wall charger?

TIA

Tardelli

[Ad1]

Hi,

thanks for the info abercol, much appreciated.

regards,

Ad1

[kezo]

Ad1 wrote:

Hi, just wondering if any one knows if this could be used to attach an EV charger to. the house is about 10 years old, so I doubt the builders were thinking about EV charging points. thanks, Ad1

As a fully qualified spark and EVCP installer:

For a typical domestic  7kW EVCP install, you would require 6mm2 3 core SWA (Armoured). However, voltage drop is taken into account depending on the distance from the Consumer Unit (CU) your EVCP is installed. If your charger is back to back to the CU, you may get away with having 4mm2 SWA or if its going to be located at the other side of the garden or be part of a garage supply for example you may need 10mm2 SWA or larger depending on the run/supply.

As a best guess soley from your picture, the SWA cable size seems like 3 core 2.5mm2, so is highly unlikely to be suitable for a 7.4kW EVCP. The overall diameter of 6mm2 SWA is 16.6mm compared to 14mm for 2.5mm2 SWA, if you can gauge it yourself. Are you sure this supply is not for a detached garage or the likes?

Your House was built around 17th edition wiring regulations, although  some amendmats to the 17th edition had taken place, Regulations regarding EV’s didn’t get meaningfull untill the latter part of the 17th edition and really took off in in 2018 when the 18th edition wiring regulations came into practice.

That said your house is unlikely to require much wotk if any to allow an EVCP to be installed, other than the possibility of a new cable run to the EVCP and a change of MCB to 32A. Your DNO cut out is highly likely to be 100A given the age of your home and earthing arangements in place, although these were slackened somewhat with the introduction of the 18th edition. Also based on the age of your home it highly unlikely you are on a looped supply.

It use to be the case with TN-C-S and PME systems earths(I suspect your home PME) that it was often a requirement to have an earth electrode (TNT earth) within a certain distance of the installation of the EVCP. This was to protect upstream faults with the Neutral or earth cable, which would disconnect the supply. This is rarely case today as the majority of EVCP manufacturers have an inclusive circuit that detects a neutral – earth failure (or even partial failure) and immediately puts the charger into a fault mode while at the same time disconnecting live, neutral and earth from the car via a single earth relay and double in series live and neutral relays. EVCP’s  can now send diagnostic data on this and other safety related issues  via ethernet or more commonly by a Wifi connection to promptly report any faults to the DNO.  Also as part of the governments smart charger regulations, that also require internet connection of the EVCP, it is therefore important you check you have a good wifi signal at the point of wanting your EVCP installled or a data cable willl need to be installed!

By no means is this in depth of the full process however, your Motability EVCP install is likely to be anything other than a basic standard install , as long as you don’t want it fitted somewhere that requires alot of cabling or on the opposite side of your meterbox! Don’t worry about it! 🙂

 

[Ad1]

Hi Kezo,

Thanks very much for the detailed reply.  Puts my mind at ease that it should be a simple install (famous last words).

just got to decide on which car and take the leap.

thanks,

Ad1

 

[MFillingham]

Ad1 wrote:

Hi Kezo, Thanks very much for the detailed reply. Puts my mind at ease that it should be a simple install (famous last words). just got to decide on which car and take the leap. thanks, Ad1

 

There’s plenty who can help guide you towards or away from certain cars.  What do you need and what will you pay for it up front?

 

@Kezo, awesome replies mate,  I might need your advice when the time comes.  For info, I have a 10m charging cable and it’s quite a chore to unwind and rewind neatly because, as with most cables, once it starts to be wound up and unwound it’ll twist and it’s too thick to simply force around if your hands/wrists are weakened.  The 5m cables are easier but the house and parking spot are some distance and, should I get a car with the charging port up front, it’s going to need all 10m.  It also proves handy when someone’s blocked a charger and I can park 2 bays down and run the cable.

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[Ad1]

Thanks MFillingham,

I’m in quite a fortunate position when I can afford the top end of EVs on the scheme, I’m looking to test drive Mach-e, Nissan Aria, ionic-5. Took the EV6 for an hours test drive. Unfortunately, they only had the GT-line S spec, so hard to see what you are actually getting. Really liked the rear view coming on the dash screen when indicating, and can see real benefit to those with neck and back issues in less twisting, shame not on the GT line spec, but same feature on the ionic 5 ultimate. As with all they seem to miss some features standard on others such as electronic boot. Mach e seems to be the least well spec’d, but also the one the wife likes the look of the most.

thansk,

Ad1

[kezo]

MFillingham wrote:

Ad1 wrote:

Hi Kezo, Thanks very much for the detailed reply. Puts my mind at ease that it should be a simple install (famous last words). just got to decide on which car and take the leap. thanks, Ad1

There’s plenty who can help guide you towards or away from certain cars. What do you need and what will you pay for it up front? @Kezo, awesome replies mate, I might need your advice when the time comes. For info, I have a 10m charging cable and it’s quite a chore to unwind and rewind neatly because, as with most cables, once it starts to be wound up and unwound it’ll twist and it’s too thick to simply force around if your hands/wrists are weakened. The 5m cables are easier but the house and parking spot are some distance and, should I get a car with the charging port up front, it’s going to need all 10m. It also proves handy when someone’s blocked a charger and I can park 2 bays down and run the cable.

I try  my best mate and happy to help, when I see posts like AD1’s and indeed provided lots of information in the Kona thread some time back. Its a forever changing industry for all of us but, can be costly keeping up with the regs. The Code of Practice for Electric Vehicle Charging Equipment Installation, 5th Edition arrived through the letterbox at a discounted cost £70 for a bloody book!

I don’t do as much these days due to my health, most of my work based in the commercial sector fuel stations, large projects etc, with domestic work kept to a minimum especially when occupied lol!

I’m more than happy to assist you or answer any questions you have anytime, yo just need to shout out. I try to keep advice to the minimum ot to confuse on anything electrical based and indeed charge points along with with electronics which I’m still very much involved in.

Do you have a shared driveway or your charger located a distance from where you park your car at home?

 

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