Cargo Ships That Have Caught Fire Carrying Electric Cars

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    MickC
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      Ele
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        Implications of this are huge and when looked at closely may well delay the EV transitional plans

        Such a big topic and so far reaching

        small example being

        EV transportation/storage as a whole

        Insurers reactions/future policies following this latest event may well imo allow governments to escape the hook when their unrealistic transitional timetable is not met

        #228172
        Berty
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          New battery technology is already here!

          These battery fires will be a thing of the past when the new CATL batteries gets into production later this year..

          It is emergent technology, and these lithium battery packs wont be around for very long.

          #228179
          Shaun

            Misinformation does no-one any favours. If you are going to cherry pick articles written by people with a clear bias/agenda then that is no longer information/advice. Reliable sources with accurate studies that report on all sides of the argument are the way forward ?

            https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/561549/study-evs-smallest-fire-risk/amp/

             

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            kezo
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              These battery fires will be a thing of the past when the new CATL batteries gets into production later this year..

              CATL Qilin batteries, which could be fitted with both nickel and iron-based cells,  integrate thermal pads, the liquid cooling plate, and the cross bracing to create what could be described as structural cooling. The structural cooling is placed between each row of prismatic battery cells, and the cells themselves are placed into the pack directly without any modules.

              BYD Blade Batteries, which are already in  production, use iron-based prismatic cells, inegrate liquid cooling, thermally conductive material though these cells are longer and thinner than those used by CATL. The cells are then stretched across the BYD Blade battery pack, allowing the cells themselves to replace conventional steel beams.

              BYD’s Blade LFP battery has a – energy density rating of 7, Safety rating of 10  and cooling rating of 9.

              CATL’s Qilin 3 LFP battery  has a – energy density rating of 7, safety rating of 9 and a cooling rating of 10

              CATL Qilin 3 NCM battery has a energy density rating of 10, safety raing of 6 and a cooling rating of 10.

              LFP – lithium iron phosphate NCM – Lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxides (higher battery density)

              With NCM battery’s you can more easily get a fire, but thats not to say LFP are 100% fire proof but, are generally seen as safer.

               

               

               

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              Ele
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                Great video imo

                These fires will be a thing of the past?

                We expect that but that misses the main point

                We are talking about events now

                These batteries are here right now in our cars and they are not going any where for at least say a decade

                Of course things will improve in the future

                The concern is about the batteries we have now and among many other things how insurers will now react to these particular batteries and their future transporting risks

                 

                 

                 

                #228185
                kezo
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                  Misinformation does no-one any favours. If you are going to cherry pick articles written by people with a clear bias/agenda then that is no longer information/advice. Reliable sources with accurate studies that report on all sides of the argument are the way forward ? https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/561549/study-evs-smallest-fire-risk/amp/

                  Data obtained through a Freedom of Information (FOI) request revealed that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade dealt with 54 electric vehicle fires compared with 1,898 petrol and diesel, inclusive of hybrid fires.

                  Vehicle registration numbers from the Department for Transport (DfT) show there are 50,000-plus plug-in cars licensed in the capital out of a total 4.63 million licensed cars.

                  Looking at the London Fire Brigade data, that would suggest an incident rate of 0.04% for petrol and diesel car fires, while the rate for plug-in vehicle is more than double at 0.1%. So far this year, there have been 1,021 petrol and diesel fires and 27 EV fires in the capital.

                  Its too late for me to do the maths but, out of 4.63 million cars in the capital only a small proportion will be fully electric.

                  Its too early to get an overall accurate figure. As for EV’s depends what battery chemistry they use as some are safer than others.

                  It will be intersting out of the 6 main battery chemistry’s used in EV’s , have posed the highest  to lowest fire risks in percentage terms.

                   

                  #228190
                  Berty
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                    Its not just cargo ships that go on fire, but peoples houses due to climate change and extreme 40Deg C heat in the UK…Then there is the 2,500 excess deaths….

                     

                    https://news.sky.com/story/uks-2022-weather-which-saw-40c-temperature-record-to-become-typical-12927481

                     

                     

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