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I ordered an EV In June 22 and have had a charger fitted within 4 weeks. I have no Idea if or when I will get my car and since ordering the car there has been a Facelift to the model and it has now come on to the scheme at an increased price. The model I ordered is no longer available. Adding all this together with increased electric prices I was wondering if I could cancel the car and keep my current vehicle in the hope prices become more affordable. And can I get them to remove the charger which I may add looks terrible
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Electric is not the answer they tried to sell it as, poor infrastucture, unregualted chargers! How on earth did they allow so many different charger types, madness! Chargers not working, low temp charging issues, awful range, awful lifespan. when I reseached EV I decided very quickly it was not feasable at all!
It’s entirely up to you if you cancelt. Whils’t there has been some reduction in AP’s no one knows yet wheter they will continue to fall or not.
I don’t know the answer for the chargher you have had installed. I would double check what costs if any are involved in removing the charger by Mb or whether Mb will charge you to install another charger in the future, should you decide to have an EV.
It could be the case you are offered the facelift model at the original AP you paid but, again I’d check this with Mb or the dealership.
What EVdid you order?
Yes ,I ordered the DS3 Crossback EV which one month after I ordered was taken off the scheme. And Yesterday DS 3 EV has returned (non crossback) with an AP of double the one I ordered. Bit confused now because I still not got a build date either.
Yes ,I ordered the DS3 Crossback EV which one month after I ordered was taken off the scheme. And Yesterday DS 3 EV has returned (non crossback) with an AP of double the one I ordered. Bit confused now because I still not got a build date either.
The good news yoor DS3 is 6 months ahead, If you cance you will be at the back of the “Q” with whatever you order next. You have not received a cancellation notice on your order, so take it is sill in the system and you may well get the facelift at the AP you paid. I however would contact Mb and the dealership to clarify this, and if you won’t be offered a lower spec should you receive the facelift.
As I understand it, your home charge point is yours to do with as you choose.
I am in a similar position with my ID3. There is a facelift due. The model on order isn’t available in the UK. I will let someone else cancel, not me. Why not just keep it as it is.
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Yes, Think I speak with Mb tommorow and see what they say, The way things looking as regards deliveries it wont be any time soon anyhow.
Ianto – keep in mind that the AP that you pay is the AP at the time you order, not the AP that applies when you eventually get the car – however long that may be (although, if the AP drops, the dealer can re-do the admin with Motability – takes a few minutes – without affecting your order, so that you pay the lower AP). It’s more complicated when there’s a model change though. Somebody on this forum had this exact issue last year. I can’t remember how it ended up. Might be worth doing some searches.
I ordered an EV In June 22 and have had a charger fitted within 4 weeks. I have no Idea if or when I will get my car and since ordering the car there has been a Facelift to the model and it has now come on to the scheme at an increased price. The model I ordered is no longer available. Adding all this together with increased electric prices I was wondering if I could cancel the car and keep my current vehicle in the hope prices become more affordable. And can I get them to remove the charger which I may add looks terrible
The charger is now yours, so if you decide to go down the non electric route you can have it removed but it would be at your expense. As Glos Guy has said, it’s quite possible the order can be switched seamlessly.
Electric is not the answer they tried to sell it as, poor infrastucture, unregualted chargers! How on earth did they allow so many different charger types, madness! Chargers not working, low temp charging issues, awful range, awful lifespan. when I reseached EV I decided very quickly it was not feasable at all!
I think proper regulation of chargers is needed. For those who have home charging and especially on overnight rates, it can make financial sense, with costs around 8-10% the cost of petrol. Many chose Kona’s or ID.3’s as the AP’S were lower than their ICE compatriots. Infrastructure needs improvement, but the horror stories reported over Christmas are very much the exception. I have only needed to wait once for a charger, around 15 mins, the other 7 or 8 times, no issues. However as I cannot see a government U turn, ICE cars have less than 7 year’s left, so at some point in the next 15-20 year’s electric, naybe hydrogen, will be the only option. I suspect PHEV’s will be phased out at some point too.
Electric is not the answer they tried to sell it as, poor infrastucture, unregualted chargers! How on earth did they allow so many different charger types, madness! Chargers not working, low temp charging issues, awful range, awful lifespan. when I reseached EV I decided very quickly it was not feasable at all!
I think proper regulation of chargers is needed. For those who have home charging and especially on overnight rates, it can make financial sense, with costs around 8-10% the cost of petrol. Many chose Kona’s or ID.3’s as the AP’S were lower than their ICE compatriots. Infrastructure needs improvement, but the horror stories reported over Christmas are very much the exception. I have only needed to wait once for a charger, around 15 mins, the other 7 or 8 times, no issues. However as I cannot see a government U turn, ICE cars have less than 7 year’s left, so at some point in the next 15-20 year’s electric, naybe hydrogen, will be the only option. I suspect PHEV’s will be phased out at some point too.
I’ve stated this in a few threads before. EV’s are the future not the now. Aside from the lack of charging infrastructure and the current cost of energy they currently have a bigger lifetime carbon footprint than ICE cars. Hybrid is the way forward until we have an affordable majority green energy situation.
If I seem a little strange, that's because I am.
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Absolutely disagree that EVs are for the future not now………….
Many thousands of people happy today driving EVs saving money, saving the environment and driving modern machines rather than a 100 yr old design that hasn’t changed significantly in 40 years.
More charging spots than petrol stations in the UK.
Prove with data that Evs have a higher carbon footprint than Ice vehicles please?
Hybrids are the worst of EVs and ice cars. Small motor, small engine and double the complexity of either.
I presume you haven’t had much experience of EVs from your negative views?
Not entirely sure that the charger is yours yet. I was told by motability that I had to own a EV for 6 months for the free charger to qualify. There is no issue with the waiting but I think you do have to have an EV now or face the bill for the charger
Oh @WardyGTC it looks like you have ignited WW3 again ??
You could read this for starters;
https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/hybrids-are-better
@kezo ?If I seem a little strange, that's because I am.
Skoda Karoq SEL.
Good luck, I’m here if you need me?
Thanks for pointing me at the article, I’m not sure you read it properly but what it actually said is that Bev’s are much better for the environment than Hybrids but because of material shortages a quicker route to reducing impact on the environment maybe to go down the hybrid route rather than full ice.
If you do a direct comparison between Hybrid and Electric vehicle, the Ev wins on all counts (and your article says this……)
As does these articles
https://evcharging.enelx.com/resources/blog/741-hybrid-vs-electric-cars-advantages-and-disadvantages
There are many more articles and apart from the ability to travel long distances without refuelling most reports are quite negative about the advantages about Hybrids vs Bev (and there are lots of articles). Hybrids give high emissions from the exhaust, high costs to fuel and high service costs. Most are unable to meet their official Mpg.
Each to their own but I can’t see the advantages of Hybrid and a quick search of the internet backs this up.
I have to admit I didn’t read the article at all. I was at work and didn’t have time to find what I really wanted so just did a quick Google search. I should have been patient and waited until I got home.
The following much better explains my point of view on BEV’s;
My point was that while we’re using fossil fuels to make and run BEV’s, they’re nowhere near as “green” as advertised. The video is a couple of years old but green energy hasn’t made any huge leaps in the intervening period. We still have a long way to go, until then the motor industry and governments are using the hype to greenwash while getting set up for the seemingly inevitable BEV future. All at the consumers expense of course.
As far as my experience and “negative views” are concerned. I have no experience of BEV’s and you mistake my pragmatism for negativity. I would have a BEV tomorrow as I do fall into the most viable use category of making lots of short trips but alas I have no way of charging one without spending several hours a week at a public charger miles from home and I don’t have the time or will for that.
If I seem a little strange, that's because I am.
Skoda Karoq SEL.
i’d probably wait and see.. you can cancel anytime, but why now if car is a long way off? lots can happen
Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistlots of short trips but alas I have no way of charging one without spending several hours a week at a public charger miles from home and I don’t have the time or will for that.
I maintain that untill I can get 400+ miles from one in all climates equal to my fossil I won’t be having one 🙂
Wardy you let the side down doh ??
Thank you and understand.
Not sure how pragmatic it is to justify a position and post a link to it without reading it but heyho!
That video is very dated, especially because there is no reference to facts/data (there is a NOTE FROM TED: … Several claims in this talk lack scientific support). That said I do agree the total cost to the environment for each vehicle type should be considered rather than just tail pipe emissions. (interestingly electric vehicle wins this in your video aswell).
Green energy hasn’t made any leaps forward in the last 2 yrs, again I beg to differ…50% of the Uks energy is now produced by renewables, this was less than 20% in 2010.
Have a read of the link it might help with some of your misconceptions.
https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions
I think its probably worth drawing a line under this now……
Its the manufacruring of EV’s I think @WardyGTC was refering to @Ian, but the point is we still need fossil for our electricity at peak times, untill battery storage takes hold allowing windmills to run 24/7.
For my needs, my concern is this. It will also play a factor for those who took up smart meters eventually.
“With this in mind, the UK Government has introduced Electric Vehicle Smart Charge Points Regulations, which ensure that EV charge points will have smart functionality; allowing the charging to happen when there is less demand on the grid, or when more renewable (and therefore often cheaper) electricity is available. This means that no matter what time you plug in your car, it will charge when you need it but can automatically pause during those peaks when demand on the grid is highest and energy is most expensive.”
“Our energy system is also becoming more flexible to maximise on this cleaner energy whenever it’s available. Apps like the WhenToPlugIn app, as well as new legislation and smart energy tariffs, are all helping us manage our electricity use – for example, Smart Chargers that can start or pause our EV charging to ensure it’s using the cleanest and cheapest power.”
I don’t think anyone is dead agaisn’t BEV’s, were all different whether thats the range isn’t adequate depending on an indviduals lifestlye They want to see how technolodgy evolves or they are quite content with with fossil fueld for know.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Typically my pension is going to be a few quid over the pension credit threshold so it’s looking like I will end up paying full rent and rates. So car may have to go.</p>
Will look into it more and see tho.Current Car: Hyundai Kona Premium EV...2 way 40kg hoist
Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoist<p style=”text-align: left;”>Typically my pension is going to be a few quid over the pension credit threshold so it’s looking like I will end up paying full rent and rates. So car may have to go.</p> Will look into it more and see tho.
Thats not good @struth – maybe worth getting advice from Welfare rights or your equivulent.
I got caught in the pension trap when I had pension credit, I was hovering around the in or out amount of money to live on so only got a few quid a month but of course its all the other things that go with it that helps.
I lost the credit when my wife became a pensioner because it took my household over the limit.
All these things are set to a rate just above benefit and income rates so very few people qualify.
When they stop PC they also stopped my wife’s Carer Allowance because of her state pension but gave her a letter saying she was still my carer but won’t be paid. Very kind of them.
When they stop PC they also stopped my wife’s Carer Allowance because of her state pension but gave her a letter saying she was still my carer but won’t be paid. Very kind of them.
Carers Allowance stops for everyone when they reach State Pension age ChrisK, so your wife wasn’t singled out. Seems wrong because, as you say, those of us who are carers continue to perform the role and it gets a lot harder as we get older. It also seems unfair that Carers Allowance is taxed when PIP isn’t, but I take the view that something is better than nothing!
As a footnote, there is a review into State Pensions which should report by the end of March. Doubtless the age will move up again. I can see it reaching 70 for my kids generation, hence the importance of making other provisions unless people want to work until they drop!
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