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I’ve been looking for an explanation of Corbyn’s behaviour since the GE and particularly in Parliament yesterday. Plenty of media opinion to digest, but mostly wrong, I believe.
Corbyn isn’t personally upset by losing – being PM wasn’t important. Failing to thank losing Labour MPs didn’t occur to him, because they as individuals didn’t matter to him.
He is a man who all his life believed in the creation of a Communist state in the UK. He really thought, carried along by his manipulators and acolytes, that he was close to achieving it.
What we see now is a man totally destroyed by the failure of the project and unable to hide his disappointment. He is too honest in his beliefs to put on a brave face and hide his real feelings from the world, so we get the steely-faced Corbyn trying to contain his anger at the world around him.
I was reminded to re-read an article from last February. Well worth a read if you want to understand Corbyn, his feelings and his present behaviour.
What will he do once he hands what’s left of the Labour Party to someone who wants to try it again? I’d like to think he’ll be spending time in his allotment , trying to make sense of things
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wow! i knew some of that but having read that i am even more certain that that man should not be allowed anywhere near no 10.
if he and his accolites are not purged from labour they will never get elected again which is a shame.
our parliament needs a decent opposition to work and counter any governments excesses be that labour or conservative.
otherwise you end up with a dictatorship.
that article doesnt even cover his support for terrorism or the ira in any depth either, so its even worse than the picture it paints.
and before anyone says it i appreciate that the writer is probably no fan of corbyn or labour.
My fear, Mitch, is that Corbynism is now so firmly embedded within the Labour Party that the new leader who emerges will be put there to coninue the work. The £3 membership allowed the Party to be stuffed with Communists/Marxists/Trotskyites and if enough of them remain they will ensure it. The Party within the Party then has nearly ten years to try again to impose communism.
The public face of Labour will continue to be as disruptive as possible, and yet try to show it has broad appeal to prevent a replacement centre left party forming.
Unfortunately, the hard left will never give up, even in the face of humiliation by the electorate , as they simply cannot comprehend that their view of the World may not be the same as the vast majority of the electorate- they do not think like the average UK citizen!
They live in the past , when during the sixties they ruled supreme in the guise of Marxist Trade Union leaders like Arthur Scargill, and Red Robbo, and they will never forgive Margaret Thatcher and the Tories, for destroying their influence.
What, however, they refuse to recognise is that Margaret Thatcher was acting on behalf of the majority of the electorate, who elected her ‘to carry out their wish to rid the country of these charlatans’, who had brought the county to it’s knees.
Like her or not, Margaret Thatcher was the ‘agent of the people’, just as Boris Johnson now is- Maggie freed us from the commie union leaders grip, and Boris will do something similar in that his ability to ‘get things done’, will destroy the influence of the Marxists in the Labour Party- some will go down fighting, to the very last breath, but they will not survive, and hopefully, out of the ashes of this Marxist Corbyn Labour Party will rise a new ,stronger , more representative Labour Party, but I am afraid that it could take years , beyond the next election, which Boris is already on course to win!
Comrade Corbyn still cannot grasp what has happened , he is still at it, in the Commons today, repeating his lie over the NHS, shameful- every body and his Uncle has condemning him for the cruel fantasy he is peddling , which was designed to frighten vulnerable people into voting for him, and he is continuing using this fear – shameful’, shameful, shameful, the sooner he is binned the better!
The challenge for Boris is to deliver for all parts of the UK, if he can do this, a repeat of last weeks result in 5 years time is almost certain. Will we see a split in Labour? Unlikely, and will only succeed if around half of it’s MP’s jump ship. If Labour appoint Long Bailey/Rayner I don’t see this having much appeal, too close to Corbyn, who as many have said was only ever interested in his agenda and the delusion, after the loss (but their so called win) in 2017 he was close to power.
John McDonnell has told shadow cabinet colleagues to stop asking him “are you alright?”, telling them:
“Normally when a socialist revolution fails they all get taken to a football stadium and shot, at least that hasn’t happened this time.”
Looks like I might have signed up to a right wing forum.
for balance, Im quite sad about what happened. Ive been put through torture at the hands of this govt. Assesment after assesment to coninually prove my degenerative disability has not by some miracle got better.
Corbyn offered hope for the millions like myself who suffer the stress and anxiety at every Brown envelope that comes through my door.
Anyway I`ll leave you to your right wing love in.
Looks like I might have signed up to a right wing forum. for balance, Im quite sad about what happened. Ive been put through torture at the hands of this govt. Assesment after assesment to coninually prove my degenerative disability has not by some miracle got better. Corbyn offered hope for the millions like myself who suffer the stress and anxiety at every Brown envelope that comes through my door. Anyway I`ll leave you to your right wing love in.
In my view Corbyn only offered false hope. Undeliverable promises.
Raefyl, I for one am not happy with Johnson – I didn’t vote for him – but if you read the article I cited about Corbyn and his pursuit of Communism, you might understand why people voted the way they did.
Corbyn would have been dangerous to this country’s economy and the money to pay your benefits would have soon run out.
Opposition to Communism isn’t right-wing, it’s common sense.
If you think Corbyn is a communist you need to do a little studying on the difference between democratic socialism,ie that practised in scandinavian countries and the Communist states of say the Soviet Union. Youll find that corbyn is considerably to the right of the scandinavian countries, despite what certain media outlets like to portray.
As a left winger myself, by conviction, I also oppose communism but I dont fall for what the Daily Mail/Sun/Express attempts to tell me to believe
Raefil there is a right wing element here but that’s just mirroring life in the real world. You also have a number of left wing posters so you will be at home with us.
I will let you decide who the right wing posters are, but don’t tell them as they’re in denial lol.
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The spectator is further to the right than even the publications mentioned above.
Raefil there is a right wing element here but that’s just mirroring life in the real world. You also have a number of left wing posters so you will be at home with us. I will let you decide who the right wing posters are, but don’t tell them as they’re in denial lol.
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Raefyl, I can only encourage you to read, read and read about Trotskyism. I read independent texts, rarely newspapers and I have a bookcase of Social History. Point me to texts that support your view of Corbyn if you wish. Even Labour List and the New Statesman might prove eye-openers, if you haven’t followed them in recent years.
As a trade unionist since the early 70s and a card carrying Labour memberfor the simiar amount of time I can assure your kind self that I am well read on the differences between, lets say Marxism, Trotskyism and Democratic socialism.
In fact, as we are chatting now, Im reading an excellent book that I might suggest you take time to read, “The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist.”
It has an excellent foreword by the late, great tony Benn, himself who was often accused of being a trotskyist.
Might I suggest you add it to your reading list, expand your mind away from the far right publications that you appear to be feeding your mind with.
Nothing like good reasoned argument is there? I also lived and worked through the industrial strife if the 70s and the three day week. And my reading is very expanded, but thanks for the suggestion.
Nothing like good reasoned argument is there? I also lived and worked through the industrial strife if the 70s and the three day week. And my reading is very expanded, but thanks for the suggestion.
Youre welcome, always happy to help 🙂
Different views and opinions are important and contribute in a sizeable way to the civilization which we describe as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but such discussions need to br reasonable appropriate and measured and when arguments fall outside of these parameters then the civilized society which people say they value starts to disintegrate. Politicians have to set a fine example but their failures in doing so, also attributed to a so called speaker whose neutrality has attracted doubt must shoulder responsibility and in moving forward set a better example which, in particular but not restricted to Corbyn and Robertson, has proven an inept failure which has wider measures and consequences and for continuing in this partcular fashion they are undermining trust not only in our country but the democratic process itself but nevertheless perhaps a small amount of time could be accorded to enable said politicians to reflect and behave in a dignified manner thus enabling the public to treat them with respect and not contempt. Perhaps we shall view change?
Was reading this thread on my way back home last night from visiting the kids & grandkids in Scandinavia, ( where I have spend a lot of time ) which is ‘Socialist’ but actually so very very far right of Corbyn & Sturgeon!
On SK 1501 from Kastrup, cruising at 34000 ft, I was looking out of the window, into the darkness , in awe of nature’s wonders and the night sky, and all of the lights below, and remembering similar ‘right v left’ threads on here!
Nothing changes, we all have opinions, valid opinions, to which we are entitled, and especially on politics, and some will never change their opinion, but some also seem to live in a surreal world, a parallel universe even, where every Tory is a member of the landed gentry, or a nasty factory owner intent on shafting the workers, and eating their children, and every union official is a hero and Tollpuddle martyr, oh, and the TV News political Agendas are not left wing?
The vast majority of people want prosperity and security for themselves and their loved ones, including what they see as some change for the better , and ask this of their politicians, but other than a vociferous minority what they do not want is the ‘society changing ,absolutely massive & unprecedented , and as sensible people have recognised, completely unaffordable state expenditure ‘ planned by Mr. Corbyn had he become PM..
A spending spree on increasing ‘the state’ ,and his declared aim of giving huge powers to the Trades Unions, would have invariably driven much private business and commerce away from the U.K. almost immediately , and caused a massive run on the pound, wrecking pension plans and other investment vehicles, bankrupting thousands of businesses and savers alike, and ruined the lives of millions of people , with record job losses!
Even more fundamentally worrying than this nightmare financial scenario , is the ‘defence of our country’, and of course our very way of life, which Corbyn has consistently proven, would not be safe in his hands, but perhaps more importantly, the promotion of groups like his insidious Militant Tendency supporters etc., present an even more dangerous threat to our British way of life!
Unfortunately, trades union leaders have gained a bad reputation, some unfairly, due to the antics of a few ‘politically motivated troublemakers’ , and as long as ,’These ‘ TU leaders get a platform to voice their anti Tory venom , the perception of trades unions will not change?
Having grown up in the valleys of the Peoples Republic of South Wales, I am firmly right wing, but definitely not associated with any political party , and I am a former trade union official, and fully support the idea of ‘Trades Unions’, as there is no doubt that unions have done wonders for a lot of workers over the years, especially in Wales, but I’m not blind to their political agendas either, however, unfortunately, some ( a lot ) people seem to still have the blinkers on.
Sorry about the essay?
Hey ho, all part of life’s rich tapestry I suppose, & an old cynic’s 10 Kroner’s worth!
A problem we face is that some people cannot understand why anyone else would not hold their world view, and conclude the only answer is they are right-wing. So anyone who doesn’t support Corbyn, anyone who doesn’t believe in global warming, anyone who does not agree with the SNP.
It’s so easy, isn’t it?
i have always supported and esposed the need for trade unions and in the past they have been responsible for huge strides in employment law and been at their best in supporting and assisting employees against dickensian employers.
the problem has been as mike700 says that they have strayed into the political arena, the motor trade in the 70’s was a joke with them and the rail unions boasting of ending governments. my first experience was in nottinghamshire during the miners strike the notts miners simply wanted scargill to hold a strike ballot but he and his cronies refused and then deployed the flying pickets to intimidate and attack their fellow miners.
had he held a ballot the notts miners would have voted for a strike, they simply wanted a vote. but the extremists refused and people died because of it. that put me off the unions and when i see mcclusky and co threatening and intimidating anyone that disagrees with them and their ilk in momentum infiltrating the labour party i cant see me voting labour anytime soon and many around here agree.
over the last couple of elections mansfield,ashfield and other constituencies that have been labour throughout my lifetime have turned tory.
unless the far left are expelled they wont turn red again in a hurry.
if boris and his advisors have any sense they will make sure they soften the usual tory austerity etc and they will be in power for some time.
The ability to see or try and see things from another perspective is being lost. Things are not always black or white or left or right.
May I make a suggestion to those who are reading opinions on websites, that they go to the about us page of them, find out who is funding it, what is the background of these people.
A red herring, greycar. Rather, look at the author and look at their background and credibility.
Far from a red Herring, Greycar has hit the nail right on the head.
One of the best sources, for news, Ive found is actually Al Jazzera. When it comes to British Politics it really does report the facts rather than spin and propoganda. Perhaps thats because its funded by the Qatari govt rather than billionaires who are spending the majority of their time avoiding paying UK taxes.
The BBC has been ridiculous of late, yes its always been pro UK govt but the propoganda voice of Laura K really has been beyond belief. Hopefully her comments about Labours Postal votes looking dire will be properly investigated.
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