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Hi, been looking at VW ID 5, and it seems the Style version offered doesn’t have a powered tailgate and a ton of other useful mobility items.
I can’t understand why only the base models are offered, and the models with all the features that would benefit the disabled are not. I mean, why include them at all?
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They’re included because the manufacturer and Motability agreed to offer them. Given the number of comments about the APs for these cars, I can’t imagine how much the versions with all the equipment would cost. The Enyaq is similarly lacking in equipment although, if you’ve the money, upgrading is possible but it’s a huge amount to include a powered tailgate.
The Ariya is electric, on the scheme and has heated seats and powered tailgate. Unfortunately the battery is the smaller version on offer.
It’s also worth remembering that these higher spec models will be selling without Motability’s help and so less likely to be coming onto the scheme. With production changing from making as many, as cheaply as possible to making to order at an increased mark-up, the requirement for manufacturers to use fleet sales to shift numbers of vehicles has gone, we’re now an outlet for those units needing clearing out or suffering lower demand than economically required unless the national sales director decides that numbers are good, for whatever reason.
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It depends on your disability I suppose.
I don’t need a powered tailgate, I don’t have a clue to be honest how many disabled not buying a WAV need a powered tailgate.
Ive just checked the spec and the car is well specked with other things disabled would find useful, heated seats, heated steering wheel, power fold and heated door mirrors, rear view camera adaptive cruise control, adaptive lights.
The Ionic5 does have electric tailgate and hands free
How about the Nissan Aryia, the advance version has a powered tailgate
Or the Skoda Enyaq with the plus package (that’s what I’m probably going with)
MFIllingham, I wouldn’t worry about the battery in the Aryia being the smallest, as you don’t drive EVs like ICE cars, I.e. you don’t round the tank (battery) all the way down then fill up, you keep the battery topped up to 80% (100% on a long run)
There is a YouTuber called Enyaq Gorm who regularly drives from north Scotland to Rugby in his Enyaq 60, smaller battery.
It depends on your disability I suppose. I don’t need a powered tailgate, I don’t have a clue to be honest how many disabled not buying a WAV need a powered tailgate. Ive just checked the spec and the car is well specked with other things disabled would find useful, heated seats, heated steering wheel, power fold and heated door mirrors, rear view camera adaptive cruise control, adaptive lights. The Ionic5 does have electric tailgate and hands free
I’d expect anyone who has back problems, shoulder or arm issues would benefit from a powered tailgate, also those who are short.
There are EVs on the scheme that suit your needs, although I’m not sure I’d be happy now the chip shortage seems to be having less effect on most manufacturers to be waiting so long for an Ioniq5.
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I guess your right about the higher spec cars selling out of dealerships, but as I am obviously new to this game, I thought these mobility cars were chosen specifically for their ” mobility” aspects, power tailgate, auto park etc. I know these cars have a high upfront payment , but it would be nice to have a choice to upgrade other than no choice at all, I mean , it’s my money I’m spending.
Wheelchair users who store their chair in the boot would find a power tailgate useful as they’d struggle to reach it when open. Mrs Joe had a strap fitted which meant she could pull the boot down using the strap.
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Ive always had to pay a premium on the scheme to beable to have a powered tailgate due to my condition. In my current car I’m able to close/open from with in the car, others Ive needed a small stick to prod the button with on my bad days. Likewise leather seats have always aided the egress and regress of my daughter.
Motability don’t have cars specially made for them, they are no different from what you can buy as a retail customer, with the higher trim levels offering the nicesties and “must have’s” in our case depending on the disability, which often commands a premium AP.
In the days before EVs the big complaint was the higher AP for automatic cars compared to manuals, in fact, at some points manual cars had the next spec level up from auto cars, it still happens, but gas been overshadowed by ev APs…
As has been said, apart from specific WAVs and some fitted extras, like ball steering, left/right accelerators, Mitability buy from the same pool as other lease schemes and private buyers.
The only two added to all Motability cars was metallic paint (better for resale) and if no rear camera fitted, rear parking sensors
I know I’m nieve but I just thought power tailgate, blind spot recognition, and dare I say it , auto park! Would have been a given for disability use. I can see that a few cars have the option of adding a ” pack” , to add some of these features, although it seems most only come with the next model up, which is not offered. I was just looking if the retail cost for a higher trim model was , say , £4000 more , could I not just pay that ?
I was just looking if the retail cost for a higher trim model was , say , £4000 more , could I not just pay that ?
Simple answer David is no 🙂
To me M/B has lost its way, it seems more geared to accumalting money than helping people with specific needs be it mobility wise or financial.
It would seem to me reading posts on here that it is becoming harder and harder for those with limited means to afford a vehicle on the scheme or get the help they require while those that are financially better off are the ones that benefit the most.
To me M/B has lost its way, it seems more geared to accumalting money than helping people with specific needs be it mobility wise or financial. It would seem to me reading posts on here that it is becoming harder and harder for those with limited means to afford a vehicle on the scheme or get the help they require while those that are financially better off are the ones that benefit the most.
I wouldn’t argue with that. We’ve been on the scheme 30 years. Mrs Joe needs an automatic estate, there’s nothing that suits her. We are not entitled to a grant due to savings and income. We’re off the scheme when the current lease expires in around 10 months. Going to use the £3k AP we would need to pay for Motability as a deposit on a new or nearly new car and finance over 5 years, or longer. It is a difficult time for Motability, but they could be doing a lot more to help.
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It’s difficult to see just what they could be doing. I’m happy to admit I may be missing something but when manufacturers are setting purchase prices high there’s only so much room for Motability to maneuver. given the formula looks something like cost price – (3 years benefit + estimated residual value) = AP the only variance would be that estimate of the future value. I’m pretty sure they’ve taken a rather conservative estimate of a 3 year old car’s value but, to be fair to them the values recently have been rather false. With new cars of all fuels difficult to source in a reasonable time, people are either keeping their 3 year old car that little longer or buying a nearly new one for a higher price. Supply & demand being what it is, this pushed prices up for a year old car, which then follows to the slight older ones. Once that settles (and it appears that the EV market is correcting currently) then future values will be easier to predict and pressure can be placed on Motability to ease our burden on their miserly predictions.
So, I’d say that for now we’re stuck but once the prices have steadied then Motability will have to look again at their prediction models and tweak their prices to more accurately reflect reality. Obviously in the meantime, they’re making a fortune on unrealistically high resale values. You’d hope that these profits are funding the huge demand for grants.
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Obviously in the meantime, they’re making a fortune on unrealistically high resale values.
That’s the problem. I said on a previous post, our car is a much in demand MHEV estate, based on what Motability will have paid and what the current trade in price is, Motability have only lost around £1800! The PIP contribution over the lease term is around £10k. Motability are making too much money out of certain leases.
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Obviously in the meantime, they’re making a fortune on unrealistically high resale values.
That’s the problem. I said on a previous post, our car is a much in demand MHEV estate, based on what Motability will have paid and what the current trade in price is, Motability have only lost around £1800! The PIP contribution over the lease term is around £10k. Motability are making too much money out of certain leases.
Accepting that, I have a question. Do you think there may be some leases where they make significantly less or, potentially, losses?
Could there be a case for asking your MP if there’s justification for parliament forcing some kind of payback on cars affected by these artificially high resale values? Something where the payments made out of our benefits must be reflected in the profits they’re making and, like the energy companies, the cause of the profit is not good management but rare luck from market forces they’ve no influence over.
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Obviously in the meantime, they’re making a fortune on unrealistically high resale values.
That’s the problem. I said on a previous post, our car is a much in demand MHEV estate, based on what Motability will have paid and what the current trade in price is, Motability have only lost around £1800! The PIP contribution over the lease term is around £10k. Motability are making too much money out of certain leases.
Accepting that, I have a question. Do you think there may be some leases where they make significantly less or, potentially, losses? Could there be a case for asking your MP if there’s justification for parliament forcing some kind of payback on cars affected by these artificially high resale values? Something where the payments made out of our benefits must be reflected in the profits they’re making and, like the energy companies, the cause of the profit is not good management but rare luck from market forces they’ve no influence over.
I think a more personalised lease plan is the way forward. Have a guarantee that customer won’t pay more than the AP and PIP contributions, but also have a percentage returned if the car has made a profit over the course of the lease. As it stands the profit on our car is going back to Motability to do with as they wish, be it charitable donations or helping others with grants towards AP’s. Meanwhile we are coming off the scheme as we are no longer prepared to pay the crazy AP’s on top of £10k + in PIP. Something needs to change.
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I think a more personalised lease plan is the way forward. Have a guarantee that customer won’t pay more than the AP and PIP contributions, but also have a percentage returned if the car has made a profit over the course of the lease. As it stands the profit on our car is going back to Motability to do with as they wish, be it charitable donations or helping others with grants towards AP’s. Meanwhile we are coming off the scheme as we are no longer prepared to pay the crazy AP’s on top of £10k + in PIP. Something needs to change.
Excellent idea Jojoe. However I can’t see Motability think the same some how!
Have you had any more thoughts what car you’d likely go for?
I did read somewhere today that you “could” save £17k as Audi and Tesla prices fall.
@Kezo Mrs Joe likes the Kia Nero EV. I like the Tesla but I’m put off the way the prices are constantly dropping. Knowing how well the current car has kept its value we could even end up with a new Skoda Estate MHEV. With VAT exemption and discount MB probably paid £19-£21k. Current trade in is £18750!
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I know of people who have had help with the cost of a powered tail gate being fitted through motability grants I believe it’s fitted by a third party.
It depends on your disability I suppose. I don’t need a powered tailgate, I don’t have a clue to be honest how many disabled not buying a WAV need a powered tailgate. Ive just checked the spec and the car is well specked with other things disabled would find useful, heated seats, heated steering wheel, power fold and heated door mirrors, rear view camera adaptive cruise control, adaptive lights. The Ionic5 does have electric tailgate and hands free
I need a powered tailgate (height challenged with dislocating shoulders), I am finally, on my third Motability vehicle, getting one. I got round it by just putting things in the back seat and/or leaving the use of the boot to other people…begger, just realised I won’t be able to use that excuse when the new car arrives!
It is possible to turn a manual tailgate into an electric one after you get the car. My Skoda dealer offered to fit an electric boot for the Enyaq for £1500 instead of getting the Plus Pack (which is about £4000). There are kits you can buy so you can DIY, which is a cheaper option – check them out on Google.
I don’t know if we are allowed to do this to motability cars but I would just do it anyway if you need it. After all, you are adding value to the car!
Just to clarify: there are electric tailgate kits for lots of different cars, not just the Enyaq.
Adding anything after collection of the car must be cleared with the owners (Motability) before fitting.
Just to clarify: there are electric tailgate kits for lots of different cars, not just the Enyaq.
I believe there is an installation of powered tailgate in the adaptions list for less then £1500 more like £900, so worth asking motability operations before you order.
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