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Very sensibly (and possibly due to early returns due to lower than expected range?) I see that Motability have now started to quote real world ranges for EVs, rather than the rather optimistic ranges quoted by manufacturers. The info is only on certain models so far (and will hopefully, in time, be extended to all EVs) and shows the manufacturers claimed range along with two more realistic range figures “expect a high of x” and “expect a low of x”. Some of the differences are staggering. Here’s a selection of just one model each from a number of popular cars;
Skoda Enyaq – Claimed 328 miles – expect 214-240
VW ID3 – claimed 350 – expect 245-277
Hyundai Kona – claimed 282 – expect 205-230
VW ID4 – claimed 326 – expect 223-251
MG ZS – claimed 199 – expect 153-172
MG ZS Long range – claimed 273 – expect 211-238
Nissan Ariya – claimed 322 – expect 241-270
Peugeot 3008 – claimed 326 – expect 211-237
VW ID5 – claimed 344 – expect 223-251
Vauxhall Astra – claimed 257 – expect 180-204
Ford Mustang Mach-E – claimed 292 – expect 211-237
BMW iX1 – claimed 287 – claimed 203-229
Hyundai Ioniq 6 – claimed 339 – expect 263-297
Obviously some folk will do better than others depending on their usage, but I think it’s very sensible to provide this information in order that people make an informed choice. In all my years of ICE car ownership most of my cars have used no more than 10% more fuel in the coldest months and, of course, this is never an issue as they have such a huge range to start with. It will be interesting to see how our current PHEV fares in the winter. I’ve only driven it on one cold day so far and the usual 38 mile EV range seemed to drop to around 25 miles which, as a percentage shortfall, is even worse at 33% 😱
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If you take the average of the 13 cars above, the expected high is 20% below the claimed range and the expected low 30% below the claimed range. It seems like this is a sensible assumption to make when selecting an EV and then if you can achieve more that’s a bonus.
Pretty much spot on for the Enyaq 85x, accordning to the cars guess0meter that is.
In Winter anything from 6 to 12c and my predicted range drops to around 260, below that about 235.
However, in real word driving it’s more like 210 – 190.Edit, had to take daughter and cat to vet in Sunderland so about 30/35 miles round trip. Car started with a guessometer range of 251 after charging last night, currently showing 220. This will be due to the car now showing 3.2 miles/kWh as it’s around 9c awith pretty flat driving and not a short trip.
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Pretty much spot on for the Enyaq 85x, accordning to the cars guess0meter that is. In Winter anything from 6 to 12c and my predicted range drops to around 260, below that about 235. However, in real word driving it’s more like 190-210.
Interesting that your ‘guessometer’ reflects weather conditions. I guess that, like all things, some cars are better than others in so far as accuracy of this information. Certainly the 3 EVs I’ve driven didn’t deliver anything like the range stated on the in car computer. I achieved around one third less each time – and none of those instances were in the winter!
My ioniq 6 is now getting 240 from a full charge in this cold weather but that is with everything switched on heating wise, in the summer i get 320 to 340 all day long with the air con on so those figures are pretty accurate really that upper figure is about right with Mway driving i would say but not A and B roads its way too low.
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----------------------------My mum is currently getting 229 out of the Kona with heating turned on and using heated seats/steering wheel calculated at last charge over weekend . I checked what would happen if the heating was turned off and the GOM showed plus 30 miles. I summer when they had the car they were getting a calculated 330-34miles but, they only do local A, B roads and rarely go over the speed limit, as @Stuart points out.
I think EVdatabase is the most accurate where range is concerned.
Smart move by Motability.
Now they can negate claims for lack of range from EV,s
It should save them a fortune.
Its like my last ICE car manufacturer wltp was 47, and I managed 32mpg and max 308 mile range, that is a 30% discrepancy, they are all the same. Its better now with hybrids and phev, at least they are getting energy back from slowing down.
It doesnt matter really the ZEV mandate will sort all that out. Especially after the recent floods.
Seems pretty accurate for my Ioniq 6, a lot depends on the trips you use it for… if it’s all short trips then it uses a lot of energy heating the cabin but do a longer run and it’s easier to maintain the temp at a level setting. Same as in an ICE but you pay less attention to the losses cause it’s got a larger range to start with.
Are we assuming that the figures quoted are for a 100% charge.
They will be even lower than when you have to change only to 80%
Smart move by Motability. Now they can negate claims for lack of range from EV,s It should save them a fortune. Its like my last ICE car manufacturer wltp was 47, and I managed 32mpgthat is a 30% discrepancy, they are all the same. Its better now with hybrids and phev, at least they are getting energy back from slowing down. It doesnt matter really the ZEV mandate will sort all that out. Especially after the recent floods.
Yes, I thought the same. They won’t be as willing to accept cars back for poor range when they have flagged it up front.
I accept that the whole industry mpg / range claims need completely overhauling. PHEVs are the worst example of that. However, I’ve never had an ICE car that falls 30% short. In fact I’ve come pretty close on many of them and even slightly exceeded the quoted mpg on some 😇😂
I think the point is that people with ICE cars generally don’t even consider range. Even if, like you, you are unlucky and get a car that falls well short mpg wise, you will still have a sizeable range (600 miles in my last few petrol cars – that’s not a claimed range, that’s actual achieved range). That 600 mile range was fully replenished with a 5 minute fuel stop.
@kezo Whilst I’m aware that there are websites that provide real world EV ranges, I strongly suspect that the vast and overwhelming majority of Motability customers (who probably aren’t ‘car people’ as most of us on this forum are) won’t visit those sites and will put their faith in the claimed figures. Far better to be forewarned.Are we assuming that the figures quoted are for a 100% charge. They will be even lower than when you have to change only to 80%
Obviously if you’re charging to 80% you’re getting 4/5 if the range. However, if you put half a tank of petrol you’d not be expecting it to go as far.
EV database gives you tested distances although some criteria are a little extreme for UK conditions.
Whilst the concept of simply taking 20/30% off the WLTP range is simple to operate and can be programmed into a website, maybe linking to EV Database would have been a better result. For example, the Kona will fly past 80% of its given range unless you drive particularly badly. The Mokka (according to multiple experiences) says 210 miles and delivers up to 100 miles less in winter. A set 30% loss in winter would still be optimistic for the Mokka and a little pessimistic for the Kona.
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I think the ‘new’ figures are about right for many cars, we had a e2008 which was quoted with about 211 mile range, in summer we could get around 200 , with care but in the cold winter time i wouldn’t like to push it much more than 140miles, we have now a MG4 , that quotes 270 miles range, in the summer with care we can get that if not more, but now we have a cold snap we wouldnt push it beyond 200miles, that said the problem seems to be on short runs (which we do 90% of the time) we may do 5 miles there , 5 back, the heater is on full warming the car all the way there and then again on the way back, the odd longer run we find after 5mins or so we can turn the heater off or set much lower now the car is nice and warm and the efficiency goes back up , it depends on what type of driving you do, if its local short trips the range will be much lower , does that matter if only doing local runs as a couple of hundred miles is still two weeks for us and we charge for pennies over night anyway when we need to, on longer runs the range is better and again doesn’t worry us . just think what type of driving you will be doing BEFORE you order a EV and ask yourself how often you drive more than a couple of 100miles a day. i think people often get to worried about range, its a different mind set you need with a EV
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