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I got the Hyundai Tucson in October last year. Literally 800 miles in and the Gpf light was on and mpg plummeted.
Through Motability and the dealer we arranged for a regen and that seemed to do the trick, although mpg was never anywhere near what I expected.
Recently mpg has, again, been dropping.. Gpf light has now come back on.
After conversations with Motability it looks like we will be able to change my car.
Our last car was a Peugeot 3008 and we had no issues with this kind of thing.Still driving the same mileage and journeys.
So, I’m wondering, are there any cars that won’t have this issue… have I just been unlucky. Or am I better off looking at a hybrid?
Would appreciate your thoughts
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Almost all vehicles now petrol and diesel have particulate filters.
a hybrid vehicle would still have a combustion engine, thus have the same filter system too
Appreciate that Scott.
Im told by my dealer that my car is not suitable for my kind of mileage… 4/6 miles a day in general.
Never a problem with the Pug?
So, what kind of car is suitable now?
Appreciate that Scott. Im told by my dealer that my car is not suitable for my kind of mileage… 4/6 miles a day in general. Never a problem with the Pug? So, what kind of car is suitable now?
An electric car would be ideal for this sort of usage!
But only if you have a driveway or off street parking.
Electric cars are not for everyone however, so maybe a regular hybrid without a petrol particulate filter would also suit.
The Hyundai/Kia cars are known for the GPF issue, but I’ve not heard of problems with other makes.
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Hyundai/Kia have recently released the 2025 model year, that have slightly tweaked engine specifications, which is rumoured to have revolved the issue, especially as these cars have being released early and MY24 skipped.
The important thing is, whilst all petrol cars require a PPF, so there’s always the potential, Hyundai/Kia have a known issue with Tucson/Sportage, which has been recognised by both manufacturers as a fault.
Picked up my sportage 5 weeks ago and after reading most of the ppf problems on the sportage forum I’m keeping my fingers crossed as it doesn’t seem to matter what kind of milage you are doing.
Appreciate that Scott. Im told by my dealer that my car is not suitable for my kind of mileage… 4/6 miles a day in general. Never a problem with the Pug? So, what kind of car is suitable now?
A full electric vehicle would be very suitable for such a low milage, if you can change at home that is an ideal solution, if you are not able to charge at home, it would require. weekly charge at a rapid charger cost would be similar to petrol cars.
the only other option is to stick with petrol or PHEV and go for a brand that is less susceptible to the issue, Kia/Hyundai vehicles seem to have more issues with the filters
I was considering the Renault Austral is that a reasonable option?
Austral is decent enough and not heard anything bad. Theres also the Qashqai etc.
Almost all vehicles now petrol and diesel have particulate filters. a hybrid vehicle would still have a combustion engine, thus have the same filter system too
Mine fine never had a problem
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
Almost all vehicles now petrol and diesel have particulate filters. a hybrid vehicle would still have a combustion engine, thus have the same filter system too
Mine fine never had a problem
I haven’t untill I had the Tucson!
I’m the opposite end of a slow driver and do plenty of long journeys but,still the problem persists.
As oscarmax says it doesn’t matter how you drive these vehicles people are still reporting the same issue.
Just out of interest, do any of these have the “coasting” function?
Hybrid models have it and it linked to satnav when in eco mode.
Short journeys do tend to clog DPF,its due to the engine never really getting upto optimum operating temp.
I wonder if hybrids will do the same, some of those hybrid engines ar 2.5ltr and if doing the same short journeys will never get to operating temp.
A friend who does automotive testing and base level system debugging for several large car manufacturers said this is one of the problems he’s been involved in trying to rectify.
Of the many things he has been looking at, coasting is seems to be a large contributor to the symptoms.
One symptom of coasting is the fuel system allows a small amount of fuel to exit through the combustion chambers unburnt and may be adding to the PPF clogging issue. (unconfirmed yet)
While this may not cure the issue by simply turning the function off he does suggest that the manufacturer may have the same opinion with their advice on in gear deceleration as part of the regen process advised to customers.
In no way am I suggesting this is a fix as it was just a conversation over coffee and cake, but as it can’t do any harm it’s got to be worth a try.
A friend who does automotive testing and base level system debugging for several large car manufacturers said this is one of the problems he’s been involved in trying to rectify. Of the many things he has been looking at, coasting is seems to be a large contributor to the symptoms. One symptom of coasting is the fuel system allows a small amount of fuel to exit through the combustion chambers unburnt and may be adding to the PPF clogging issue. (unconfirmed yet) While this may not cure the issue by simply turning the function off he does suggest that the manufacturer may have the same opinion with their advice on in gear deceleration as part of the regen process advised to customers. In no way am I suggesting this is a fix as it was just a conversation over coffee and cake, but as it can’t do any harm it’s got to be worth a try.
The Hybrid 230 doen’t seem to suffer the issue and you have to turn coasting on in the menu if you want to use, which judging by the forums not many do as it means driving in eco mode.
The problem relates mainly with the ICE and MHEV 🙂
Hi guys
so, confirmation today from Motability that I can end my lease early and look for another car.
they said…’checking the suitability of the car/fuel type for your needs before you place the order to make sure you’re 100% happy it’ll work better for you.’
My question is how do I do this?
Is my issue just with the Tucson or is it all manual petrol cars? Are there any cars suitable for my journeys?Hi guys so, confirmation today from Motability that I can end my lease early and look for another car. they said…’checking the suitability of the car/fuel type for your needs before you place the order to make sure you’re 100% happy it’ll work better for you.’ My question is how do I do this? Is my issue just with the Tucson or is it all manual petrol cars? Are there any cars suitable for my journeys?
I have an early termination on my Tucson but, for a different reason (need auto). MO asked similar questions fit wheel char in, test drive etc, along with what vehicle I have seen. My reply at the time was the E3008 and Scenic and was asked if I was happy with how they drove! Me being me, I replied its difficult to test drive a photo but, the dimmensions for the boot size are appropiate. I was then told in a shirty voice every car on the scheme is available to test drive, oh I said thats funny becasuse neither of them are in the showrooms yet! She was obviously riled by then and told me, I’m very lucky to be allowed an early termination and one doesn’t have to be given, oh I said thats ok I’m happy to hand the car back and leave the scheme, which in all honesty has been on my mind for a while.
You’ll find by checking the forums Hyundai/Kia have a problem with the PPF and unlikely to get such a problem elsewhere. My parents have a Vauxhall (Stellantis group) and drive 3 miles every other day, with no PPF issues and can’t recall my Niece having an issue with her Renault Captur.
It’s interesting. My dealer tells me that all cars have the Gpf now so all will likely have the same issue. Yet my daughters Puma has no bother, less mileage than me. My last car Peugeot 3008, no issues.
I just want to be sure of no problems… so don’t know whether Hybrid is the way? Electric or stick with what I know.
atm I was thinking Toyota Bz4x. Ioniq 5. Renault Austral. Or should I look at the Tucson hybrid
im literally no further forward
Whils’t its less likey to occur with the hybrid 230, the system has the same design fault so, I would rule out the Tucson untill at least the facelift model appears.
Its wrong how Hyundai is saying you will have the same issues regardless what you get, especially when Hyundai/Kia have acknowleged a fault exists.
Simply Google Hyundai Tucson PPF issue and see the amont of complaints.
Regards going BEV is upto you to decide sorry however, if you can have a charger fitted at home and go on a cheap nightly tariff, your running costs will be cheaper.
On the otherhand Hybrid is still a petrol car with diesel like economy, so again a viable choice.
If you want to stick to petrol only but, choose another manufacturer, then why not. You could always google 2024 Peugeot 308 PPF issues for example, to be on safe side.
FWIW I had less problems with the DPF on a Skoda diesel, than I have with Tucson, which takes 80-90 miles of a 230 mile journey to clear and I’m no Sunday driver, yet still get the same issues as you. I do a 460 mile round journey every 3 weeks!
Although a more expensive AP this quarter, I’d suggest checking out the Honda HR-V and ZR-V.
£2,499 for the ZR-V advance is still very reasonable considering it’s top of the range trim. Especially good AP when compared to a similarly equipped Tucson.
The coasting link is interesting. I have Tucson PHEV and have never had the PPF issue (famous last words) but I use Apple CarPlay instead of the in-car sat nav, so coasting never kicks in.
The coasting link is interesting. I have Tucson PHEV and have never had the PPF issue (famous last words) but I use Apple CarPlay instead of the in-car sat nav, so coasting never kicks in.
There is no coating on the non hybrids and believe its turned off by default on those that have or does the PHEV, Hybrid 230 seem to have the same problem.
How many electric miles do you get and whats your mpg on longer runs in hybrid mode?
I have a Tucson Phev Ultimate which is now two years old and have never had any issues.
On my regular trips to Scarborough to my sisters which is 41 miles, on electric I get anything from 33 to 35 miles plus it also regenerates 2 to 3 miles. Mpg it varies from 37 to 42 on my long trips to Scotland, London and the Lake district.
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