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Reorder window opens in 2 weeks and deliberating between X1 and XC40 after seeing cars and test drives.
Heart says the bmw (better drive, more modern interior, stronger hybrid) but head saying XC40 (more loaded with stuff you would expect for the price such as matrix lights and BSM, lower AP, etc).
Interested in how others choose once any practical issues are dealt with. Head says go Volvo, but concerned I might spend 3 years wishing I’d gone for the fun choice over the safe and sensible.
A first world problem I know, but welcome thoughts….
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More bells , whistles and gadgets to me means more to go wrong.
If your own money, go with your heart. If the AP is funded by a grant, then that’s a differant matter, imo.
Just make sure your happy that it will be fit for purpose for 3 years.
X1 3cyl 1.5 mild hybrid is far from strong and thearchilles heel of BMW.
If you want a modern fully loaded very good family SUV, look at the Tucson Hybrid
Make sure you have a good drive in both before deciding.
We had an XC40 from 2020 to 2024, and it was one of the most comfortable cars we’ve ever had. The suspension soaked up all kinds of bumps and the car was very refined. Fuel economy was not great, so take this into account if you’re a high mileage driver.
One of the cars we discounted before opting for the XC40 was the BMW X1 20i.
We found the road noise intrusive and the suspension too firm for our liking but each to their own.
The XC40 is getting on a bit now whereas the X1 has had numerous updates. So the test drives are important.
2024 - BMW i4 Grand Coupe eDrive 35 Sport
2020 - Volvo XC40 T4 Inscription
2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-TronicHello, for me my head and heart always been Volvo todate (4 months left on an extended 5yr lease)..
HOWEVER would I want another modern day Volvo, the answer is No…
Infact I’m seriously thinking of the Nissan hybrid e..
My Wife and I always had Volvos, almost all models and they’ve been great..
Im finding the XC40, small, slightly uncomfortable, expensive on fuel..
Reason for extension it’s transport and laziness on my part.
Oh yeah the elec boot cylinder thing has started leaking making a hell of a noise, never had this ever on much older cars…
That’s just my opinion and that’s just that, best of luck whatever you decide
We’ve had a few Volvo, comfort wise two were excellent and one was not. Would I have another, absolutely but I’m looking to go full electric this time.
To be honest I don’t think you can go far wrong with either of these cars so I doubt you will have buyers remorse no matter which you choose.
I had a test drive in the Hyundai Ioniq 6 the other day and it was excellent. Possible a bit too low for the wife, unfortunately she wasn’t well enough to join me, so still to make a final decision on it but what you get for the AP is unbelievable.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.so still to make a final decision on it but what you get for the AP is unbelievable.
And that’s the crux with the BMW.
In all three “trims”, they’re as bare as they come. The M Sport offers at least two non-visual upgrades (the suspension and seats), but even then, it’s still a completely barebones car – not even including keyless entry or high beam assist, something that’s standard in the most basic Polo nowadays.
I get the argument of “less to go wrong” – if you charge accordingly. If you take the Ioniq 6 as an example (we test drove that recently too, amongst the Ford offers – sadly it’s too low for the wife, and too long for our parking bay), .. Actually, we don’t know if the guy can charge at home, so lets go with the most expensive ICE/MHD Tucson. Same price as the BMW, but comes with Matrix LEDs, heated and vented electric full leather seats, opening panoramic sunroof, keyless entry, head up display, 360 camera, a “premium audio system” (Krell), heated steering wheel, heated rear seats etc (the list goes on, but i think i made my point).
This isn’t even a fair comparison, BMW should be ashamed to charge what they do for the X1 on the scheme. The only reason for the price is to protect the (perceived) exclusivity in the showroom, can’t let the riffraff linger in the showroom, so lets charge 4 grand for a sub-base spec model, £6k if you want at least the bare minimum. You couldn’t even argue that it has a nicer engine, because it doesn’t.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.I had a test drive in the Hyundai Ioniq 6 the other day and it was excellent. Possible a bit too low for the wife, unfortunately she wasn’t well enough to join me, so still to make a final decision on it but what you get for the AP is unbelievable.
Ioniq 5 🙂
I had a test drive in the Hyundai Ioniq 6 the other day and it was excellent. Possible a bit too low for the wife, unfortunately she wasn’t well enough to join me, so still to make a final decision on it but what you get for the AP is unbelievable.
Ioniq 5 🙂
Checked the prices?
edit: Ioniq 5 triples the price of the 6 in top spec. The 6 is currently, iirc, 1750ish. The 5 is what, 5k+?
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.so lets go with the most expensive ICE/MHD Tucson. Same price as the BMW
Believe the full hybrid is same AP as the mild hybrid, so thats a no brainer, but agree it has a phenomenal amount of kit and thoses ventilated seats are nicety in this weather 😉
so lets go with the most expensive ICE/MHD Tucson. Same price as the BMW
Believe the full hybrid is same AP as the mild hybrid, so thats a no brainer, but agree it has a phenomenal amount of kit and thoses ventilated seats are nicety in this weather 😉
Admittedly, only briefly checked the options under the Ultimate spec in the list – so that may very well be. Even better.
The point was, that for an iota of better “build quality”, you trade two truckloads of equipment, some of which are genuinely good options (be it Matrix LEDs, or vented seats etc – yeah HUD and such like are toys, but still).
And i bet the vented seats are nice, particularly in this weather. In the Golf, it’s swamp on my back, and Arctic on my chest currently, being frozen all around would be much preferable. Not made for this kind of weather. Wish the Explorer had those too, but alas.. It at least fits on the driveway, mostly (as opposed to the Ioniq 6).
But, yeah. I’m indifferent to Hyundai (and i do like quite a few BMW offerings), but it’s just, as mentioned, a no-brainer.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.Thanks for the all the comments. Need an ICE due to no drive and even less infrastructure where I live. Currently have Tuscon ultimate manual. Typically don’t like taking the same car on multiple leases, so was looking for a change. But it is true that the Tuscon hybrid is fully loaded and does give everything you could want. The most sensible decision may be to take another Tuscon, and the hybrid does significantly improve fuel economy on my current version.
Yeah i assumed that the ICE was a requirement, didn’t know you were already sitting in a Tucson.
In this case, i now understand the “issue”, and admittedly, i would probably have the same issue – wanting something “different” (although we’d take another GTE if they didn’t more than double the price to over £7k).
But, i’ll be honest, even in that particular case, i’d still take a new Tucson over the BMW or XC40. Or, another option, would be to extend and hope that something gets facelifted, reduced in price or added to the scheme, if you’re in no rush to change.
If the re-order window opens in two weeks, one option you’d have would be to order a new Tucson (to lock it in), and then either cancel or change if Q4 offers something more desirable. Bit of a gamble there.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.Typically don’t like taking the same car on multiple leases, so was looking for a change. But it is true that the Tuscon hybrid is fully loaded and does give everything you could want. The most sensible decision may be to take another Tuscon, and the hybrid does significantly improve fuel economy on my current version.
Sounds like me, however I had a 2022 Tucson ICE Ultimate and this time went for the Tucson PHEV N Line S. Whether that was a good choice going for the PHEV ove hybrid is open to debate, but it’s like a completely different car because of the update it received last year and now has a modern interior similar to that of the X1. The exterior has received some tweaks, but less so.
I am looking at similar cars, I can reorder in mid December for next March to change, so plenty of time yet.
Currently have a Nissan Qashqai N-Connector e-Power, which I have been very pleased with, excellent mpg, comfort, loads of useful functionality, 360 deg camera, high beam assist etc.
This is my fourth Qashqai on the scheme so even though it’s great, I think it’s time for something different.
Looking at a mild hybrid, as my current property is on a looped electrical supply so for a BEV car I would need to have the driveway dug up, and a new electric supply to property.
I will probably cover 15k miles when the 3 years lease is up, so I may extend the lease as an option.I need a boot size with a minimum 450 litres due to having to transport an electric wheelchair.
This week I looked at the BMW X1, also to ask what is the specification of the M Sport, the information I was given is that you get very little being polite, but you can add extras at a cost like sun protective glass ( dark rear windows) £330, technology pack £1680, even then you don’t get blind spot monitoring, which I feel is a good safety feature.
I liked the car, inside features looked good but severely lacking functionality of a Qashqai Epower.
I have looked at the XC40 in the past, and my opinion is it’s a bit dated interior and poor mpg.
Other cars I am considering for my next car are the Cupra V2 mild hybrid Formentor or Terramar.
Other consideration is to buy a discounted BMW X1 with the extra packs included, there are a number on Autotrader.
With the 4k advanced payment and the car missing a significant amount of functionality compared to a mid range Qashqai, I would find it difficult to justify the AP.
Looking at a mild hybrid, as my current property is on a looped electrical supply so for a BEV car I would need to have the driveway dug up, and a new electric supply to property. I will probably cover 15k miles when the 3 years lease is up, so I may extend the lease as an option.
Slight correction full hybrid, which is similar to your current E-Power.
The work to unloop would be FOC incase of a charger, heatpump etc and everything is put back as is so worth considering if you can put up with one or two holes dug.
My experience – may or may not help?
When I was working, there was a huge choice of cars available for us to lease, with some monthly payments lower than our monthly car allowance and some were higher.
We were allowed to go higher than our allowance by 30%, with the extra coming out of our own pocket.
My sales guys and gals inevitably went for the best BMW or Audi they could get whereas my management team had quite a few Volvo’s between them, mainly XC 40’s & 60’s and I have had 5 Volvo’s, an XC 70, an XC 90, two XC 60,’s and a V60 , all extremely reliable and comfortable,
The BMW’s were less reliable ie they were ‘off the road’ much more than the Volvo’ but this may be because of the way they were driven, not the manufacture?
Costs overall were little different, between the two manufacturers!
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To focus on the general side of the original post – Head or Heart? – I have to say that with the benefit of hindsight I will now try to choose with the Heart. This is largely based on the choice I had to make a couple of leases ago, between the Mini Cooper S and the Alfa Giulia. Both, curiously, about the same AP and I let my head convince me that the Mini was the better choice. Wrong. Had to do an early swap because the suspension made it unsuitable for us. Alfa had better, comfy suspension and was an extremely rewarding drive.
If choosing at the moment, would face extremely hard choice between the MX-5 and everything else. Quite aside from being an enjoyable shopping trolley (all we need) the Mazda is also the closest you can get to a pre-digital motor. I am told it has one small touchscreen which controls music (don’t use it) and aircon. Everything else (including aircon) has knobs, buttons and switches. Currently have a VW ID.3 and digital overload and interference in driving is not only annoying it is also dangerous – distracting attention from road to bloody screens and slamming brakes on to avoid leaf collision.
Seems most cars are being taken over by the digital demons and the MX-5 looks a really good deal for a proper motor car (and would be driveable by my wife who cannot handle all the digital touchscreen stuff).
I’ve always wondered why aren’t the xc60 on the scheme, are they made in china now also..
They were available at one time I understand, but are probably too expensive now?
My XC 60’s were both made in Ghent in Belgium.
The XC90 was built in Torslanda , Sweden, not sure about the others.
All of the XC’s were AWD, & had 5cylinder diesel engines btw.
My first Volvo was the XC 70 AWD D5 & it had a manual gearbox, and an extra row of seats fitted in the rear.
Is overstay charges a thing everywhere? They don’t half make public chargers expensive if you need the miles. I only need it on long drives in Ireland and it’s usually between 5 – 10 euro and always applies if going over 80%. I’ve never left a car that has a full charge but believe it’s a similar fine.
Often wondered if those without home charger just grab a little electric every time they can on errands so it wouldn’t apply. Or would they prefer to just stay a while and go to 100% in which case an expensive overstay charge applies.
Head for me as heart says toys and tbh they are mostly meh. Head says comfort above all else.
Head for me, literally!! 🙂
I need to be able to get it under the roof and get in!, not a lot of choice at just under 6’6″ with a distinct lack of bendability and the pain that comes with it nowadays.
If I can get in/out OK then that usually does, I’ll look at the options/toys after that.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
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