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Ordered 31/10/23, Delivery 27/3/24I doubt the EV grant applies to Motability customers because we’re leasing the cars not buying them I’m afraid.
I doubt the EV grant applies to Motability customers because we’re leasing the cars not buying them I’m afraid.
Agreed. These grants tend to just apply to retail customers. I don’t see the grants as having any positive impact on Motability APs. If anything, it could affect them adversely. Those in the trade are already saying that the grants may adversely affect EV residual values , which are already on their knees. As we know, the appalling residual values of EVs have been the major contributor to the across the board increases in Motability APs over the last few years.
Interesting article by WhatCar
What Car? has revealed that new electric vehicle (EV) buyers are delaying their purchase due to confusion over which models will qualify for the new electric vehicle (EV) grant.
So if regular buyers are In – wait and see mode – will there be a collection of unsold vehicles that Motability can get a good deal on
Interesting!!
Interesting article by WhatCar What Car? has revealed that new electric vehicle (EV) buyers are delaying their purchase due to confusion over which models will qualify for the new electric vehicle (EV) grant. So if regular buyers are In – wait and see mode – will there be a collection of unsold vehicles that Motability can get a good deal on Interesting!!
It’s not difficult in fact it’s quit simple to understand EV’s priced at £37000 or below will qualify isn’t it 😂
I think Whatcar is just playing a violin to get just more attention out there, but as private buyers have relatively shyed away, I don’t think it will be enought to persude them.
I suspect the hesitation is for cars just over 37k – will they knock a few hundred off to get under and encourage sales – if I wasn’t on this scheme and I was having to lash out that sort of money – I might hesitate too.
Markets are fickle and not always based on logic – we will see
My understanding is that manufacturers have to certify the sustainability of the EV so the more sustainable build process and materials etc the higher the grant.
This means that the government will give the grant to the manufacturer to reduce the sticker price, if this is the case then motability ops can calculate the AP on the basis that the car will be worth more at tge end of the lease as a proportion of the sales price, hopefully allowing the AP to come down
this link is from the government website , it is quite technical but the salient point for me is the first paragraph which states
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Guidance for car manufacturers on how to apply for their vehicles to be eligible for the Electric Car Grant.
The guidance explains:
how the scheme works
vehicle eligibility
the application process”so I take from this that the manufacturer provides evidence and receives the grant to pass on to the buyer, or provide a discount to the value of the grant
Cheers, all the very best
Vaun
Sorry missed link out
Cheers, all the very best
Vaun
I think that those who think that this will result in better deals for Motability customers will be disappointed. Motability Operations will have already negotiated discounts on EVs that are many times the value of this grant for private buyers, so I can’t see it making any difference whatsoever.
I think that those who think that this will result in better deals for Motability customers will be disappointed. Motability Operations will have already negotiated discounts on EVs that are many times the value of this grant for private buyers, so I can’t see it making any difference whatsoever.
My understanding some of the Chinese companies have now reduced their list prices to match the Government grants
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I think that those who think that this will result in better deals for Motability customers will be disappointed. Motability Operations will have already negotiated discounts on EVs that are many times the value of this grant for private buyers, so I can’t see it making any difference whatsoever.
My understanding some of the Chinese companies have now reduced their list prices to match the Government grants
I’m sure that a lot of manufacturers will do the same but, again, I don’t think this means that APs will fall. I bet that Motability Operations are already getting discounts on EVs of at least 30% on EVs and possibly a lot more. Private buyers getting a 10% subsidy won’t make a blind bit of difference to anything AP wise, other than perhaps adversely if it means that residual values will fall even more!
To rule Chinese EV’s out on sustainability plans is wrong!
Without China REE mining and battery cells inc pollution that goes with it, europe wouldn’t be where they are now, especially in relation to EV’s. The same applies to solar and wind!
Also as above will most likely have a negative effect on residual values.
Sorry missed link out https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-apply-for-vehicle-eligibility-for-the-electric-car-grant/how-to-apply-for-vehicle-eligibility-for-the-electric-car-grant
Blimey! I gave up reading it after a few minutes. It’s like reading an engineering manual! Only this government could come up with a scheme to try to encourage EV take up, but make it so ruddy complicated that it becomes offputting
On the bvrla site it says fleet, salary sacrifice etc and Motability can get access to this grant.
https://www.bvrla.co.uk/resource/government-introduces-electric-car-grant.html
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Makes sense.
Sadly, none of the “interesting” cars on the scheme qualify for the grant (37k RRP maximum). Many of the mid-range vehicles on the scheme are considerably dearer than that, so i don’t think we’ll see a big impact on APs – this applies mostly to small battery EVs.
Even volume models like the ID3 don’t qualify with their usable battery – there’s not going to be much uptake for a base model short range ID3 (and how much impact would it have on £800 AP anyway?).
It’s all a bit naff. That grant is nonsensical, they should’ve taken that money and boosted the 2nd hand market instead.
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Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.On the bvrla site it says fleet, salary sacrifice etc and Motability can get access to this grant. https://www.bvrla.co.uk/resource/government-introduces-electric-car-grant.html
Thanks. Good to know as I’d assumed it would only be retail customers. I wouldn’t mind betting that the most likely outcome is that manufacturers will reduce the massive discounts that they currently offer to fleet buyers, such as Motability, possibly by as much as the grant! It will be very interesting to see what happens. I’m sure that Motability will provide an update on what, if any, impact this will have on the scheme.
Any Take your fancy, you would rush out and buy?
Do bare in mind many of the more family orientated, the grant will only cover base trim and/or entry level battery e.g Skoda Elroq eligible variants: SE 50 SE L /60; Edition 60!
Dacia Spring £14,995
Peugeot e-208 £30,150
Leapmotor T03 £15,995
BYD Dolphin £30,205
BYD Dolphin Surf £18,650
Volkswagen ID.3 £30,860
Fiat Grande Panda £21,035
Citroen e-Berlingo £31,240
Citroen e-C3 £22,095
Toyota Proace City Verso EV £31,995
Renault 5 £22,995
Peugeot e-Rifter £32,250
Hyundai Inster £23,00
Vauxhall Mokka Electric £32,430
Citroen e-C3 Aircross £23,095
Renault Megane E-Tech £32,495
Vauxhall Frontera Electric £23,995
MINI Countryman Electric £33,005
GWM Ora 03 £24,995
Kia EV3 £33,005
Fiat 500e £25,035
Volvo EX30 £33,060
Vauxhall Corsa Electric £26,780
Omoda E5 £33,065
MINI Cooper Electric £26,905
Alpine A290 £33,500
Renault 4 £26,995
Alfa Romeo Junior Elettrica £33,906
MG4 £26,995
Smart #3 £33,960
Citroen e-C4 £27,650
Vauxhall Astra Electric £34,130
MGS5 EV £28,495
Hyundai Kona Electric £34,500
Citroen e-C4 X £28,715
Peugeot e-2008 £35,400
MINI Aceman £28,905
Cupra Born £35,690
Smart #1 £29,960
Vauxhall Grandland Electric £36,455
Abarth 500e £29,985
MG4 XPower £36,495
Ford Puma Gen-E £29,995
Leapmotor C10 £36,500
Jeep Avenger £29,999
Abarth 600e £36,985
Suzuki e-Vitara £29,999
KGM Torres £36,995
Fiat 600e £30,035
Skywell BE11 £36,995
Skoda Elroq £31,510
None.
Majority too small, rest pointless. I’ll let “them” coax me into an EV, but guaranteed not one with only 100 miles range in winter.
As i said, will not filter through to APs because most of the cars simply aren’t interesting to buyers on the scheme. As much as i do like the Elroq (i do genuinely think it’s car of the year) – base trim is very basic, and there’s no chance i’ll get a 60.
Weird direction they took with that grant.
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Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.If I’m reading this correctly, it may not only apply to base models and there is some leeway on the £37k. Under the ‘Definition of Price Cap’ section, it says;
Where a vehicle model has multiple powertrain options (that is options that affect the capacity of the battery, drive train configuration, or maximum net power) eligibility will be determined by the RRP price for the lowest priced variant of each distinct powertrain.
For example, if a vehicle model has a 50Kwh battery option priced at £35,000 to £40,000 and a 60Kwh battery option priced at £40,000 to £45,000, all of the 50Kwh battery variants would be eligible, none of the 60Kwh battery variants would be eligible.
So would that mean that as long as the base model is under £37k, higher trim variants with the same powertrain would also be eligible, regardless of price?
I think all these comments make the WhatCar point – would be customers are unclear about what is – what isn’t !!!!
If I’m reading this correctly, it may not only apply to base models and there is some leeway on the £37k. Under the ‘Definition of Price Cap’ section, it says; Where a vehicle model has multiple powertrain options (that is options that affect the capacity of the battery, drive train configuration, or maximum net power) eligibility will be determined by the RRP price for the lowest priced variant of each distinct powertrain. For example, if a vehicle model has a 50Kwh battery option priced at £35,000 to £40,000 and a 60Kwh battery option priced at £40,000 to £45,000, all of the 50Kwh battery variants would be eligible, none of the 60Kwh battery variants would be eligible. So would that mean that as long as the base model is under £37k, higher trim variants with the same powertrain would also be eligible, regardless of price?
Yes!
The prices are the starting price RRP (can you add packs??) – some models like the MG will allow top spec inc long range – others will allow base to middle trim depending on the battery size.
Examples quoted on manufacturers battery sizes gross/net-
Skoda Elroq:
50kW battery version: SE (£31510) SEL (£33,360) Edition (34,460) Sportline (37,410) VRS (N/A)
60kw battery version: SEL (£33,360) Edition (£34,460) Sportline (£37,410)
85kw battery version: N/A
VW ID3:
52kW battery: Pure Essential (£30,860) Pure Match (£32,220)
59kW battery: Pro Essential (£35,740) Pro Match (£36,660)
79kW battery: N/A
MG MG4 – All models:
49kW battery: SE (£26,995)
64kW battery: SE (£29,495) Trophy (£32,495)
77kW battery: Trophy (£36,495)
Kia EV3 (base spec only)-
58.3kW battery: Air (£32,940)
81kW battery: Air (£35,940)
Mini Countryman:
64.6 kW battery: Classic (£33,005) Sport (£36,705)
Vauxhall Grandland:
73kW battery: Design (£35,125) GS (£37,075.00)
98kW battery (N/A)
That’s it I’ve had enough 😂
I think all these comments make the WhatCar point – would be customers are unclear about what is – what isn’t !!!!
As above – If you fancy an Elroq, all you have to do is to look on the manufacturers website and see what versions are available for under £37,500 or just pop into the dealer and ask. Personally I don’t see the problem, but I’m begining to think it’s down to my IQ
In fairness, Glos Guy does raise a point that complicates it a little bit.
Not that it matters much to me personally, because, as mentioned, battery size (or rather, range) is my biggest criteria on an EV – but it does certainly widen the selection a bit.
The one thing where i could see it make sense, as an example, would be the EV3. On the scheme currently, in top spec, we got the GT-Line S. The base model of the EV3 with the big battery is the Air at 36k – but the GT Line S has the same motor/battery, it’s just a different spec. The GT Line S is 44k, but should, if i didn’t misunderstand, still qualify for the grant. If i understand the part that Glos quoted correctly.
So there might be a few more decent options out there that qualify for the grant, with APs potentially coming down by, i’d wager a guess, £500ish? MB is not going to hand a customer the entire grant (how would that work for cars with less than £1000 AP for example?), that’s not quite how that’d work.
Ofc the AP for the GT Line S even then would be outlandish.
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Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.In fairness, Glos Guy does raise a point that complicates it a little bit.
I agree the government has made a right # off it. Also the amount of conformity paperwork that needs to be submitted as acceptable evidence makes me wonder if gov.uk info is geared towards manufacturers/dealers.
As @Glos-Guy basically points out, the government system in particular on focuses powertrain specifications, rather than trim levels. Does this mean and I take it mean for the Elroq for example, you could select upto the Elroq 50 Sportline, which is £410 over the grant allowance at £37410. The 60 seems to be identical in price to the 50, making the Sportline equally available (I could have made a mistake) but none of the 85 or VRS models, because they start above the (base) £37000 grant.
However, untill manufacturers know which vehicles can be included and publish a definative list, it’s going to be difficult to know for sure.
Today on:
Skoda’s site it still says “Watch this space for details of the Škoda models eligible for the grant.”
MG – Reveals it’s own grant of £1500 for private buyers on the MG4 & MGS5.
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