15 Months with large EV

Interesting feedback! I can’t say that much is making me regret cancelling my EV order.

Presume you’re doing all the recommended actions, preconditioning the car etc?

Sixty five miles is appalling!

We were really looking forward to getting an EV, we can order this time next year. However I’m increasingly uneasy about EV’s.

My biggest worry is our regular trips to Cornwall from the Northwest. If you look at the service stations on the M5 and A30, the majority still only have 2 chargers and according to ZapMap they are constantly in use even on a midweek day in winter, can’t imagine what a Saturday in August would be like.

Think we’ll end up putting it off for another 3 – 4 years.

We are 30 months into or Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, the majority of the time we are EV except when we are towing our caravan, our battery still performing like new the usable capacity is 9.6 kWh, in the summer we still achieve around 32 miles, in the winter around 28 miles, in winter with the heating on nearer 18 miles.

As a car the vehicle has been faultless, we have always wanted to extend the lease.

Interesting and quite a change from your previous positive reviews!
I also have seen quite a range drop on my I3s as we move through the cold spell. 65 miles is way too low tho especially when yours was better last year and I’m glad we didn’t order one.

I can imagine the build quality issues are really frustrating.

Our car is getting an estimated range of 140 miles vs usual 170 miles and that’s after 57000 miles.

I know there will be rogue vehicles, I haven’t got one and have really enjoyed my Ev journey and actually have 2 EVs on order…………

One thing to consider is that you’re not actually driving “an EV” in the sense most people use it.

Your car is a converted commercial van, and you of course pay the “tax” for it – a subpar interior fit, as well as high consumption because you’re essentially moving a shed about. If you’ve ever been in a Caravelle or even a Transit, you know what i mean.

I don’t know whether or not your current consumption is due to a damaged battery or just “normal” (1.7mpkw isn’t outlandish, most people get around 2 to 2.5 in a normal sized EV this time a year), but it was always going to be a stinker with that range. Maybe not in summer, but certainly in winter.

I’m not trying to poop over the car, but i distinctively remember being kinda surprised by the choice as a daily at 140 miles range at the best of times. 50kwh packs in huge vehicles like this are just nonsensical. The inefficiencies in cold weather are known, it now is colder than it was last year (quite considerably so indeed, at least where we’re situated) – i’m not 100% convinced that this isn’t just the weather tax, rather than a degraded battery. Of course there will be some of that too, but you need to deliberately ignore all charging advice to basically ruin a battery within a year. I doubt that you did that.

For many that don’t have the ability to charge at home an ev is just a step too far and alot more expensive and I guess the bigger the vehicle and the more weight, a battery has to work harder and due to this the battery has to depleat more and be recharged more than in smaller cars and if the drop in range is so much, espeically with colder weather, then manufacturer should be listing the true figures not just the best range you can get in summer. Also there is no way i am sitting in any car in the cold without the heating on or in the summer without aircon on, it’s absolutely ridiculous to have to do that. I totally get there’s nothing better for you on the scheme right now and maybe toy got some hard decisions to make moving forwards.

If the trim is falling apart, contact the dealer and also about such low range after all, it’s under warranty.

Energy prices are going to rise again for many in Jan and maybe again in april. So even those charging at home will pay more. Those on fixed deals that end are going to have a huge shock.

At first they dangle the carrot to get you sucked in and then once you are, the stick will be brought out.

One only has to look at how car drivers are treated now as a cash cow and will that stop once ice cars are bannned or priced off the roads. No ev’s will become more and more the target and the cash cow.

Is it really a viable option for those who do some regular long mileage and still need to be as mobile in the winter as they was in the summer.

We all have different requirements and yours are at the extreme end of the scale, needing something big and i know that’s why you went for the Vivaro life.

It’s a 400 mile round trip to one of my brothers and 280 miles to the nearest and are no charger anywhere near. So charging at the destintation isn’t possible. Which leave you stopping on route or driving off route to charge, I have watched many videos of people with issues and waits for chargers if they even working.

Often we drive down for the day as with my kids there’s not enough room to stay overnight, doing that journey in an ev is not something I would consider at all, until things improve alot more than now and are likely to improve but how long till they actually do who knows? Then there’s the higher and higher ap’s.

So for me it was the right decision and only you know if leaving the scheme is best for you or if it’s sooner rather than later, especilly seeing as you have no confidence in the Vivaro life anymore, might be best to start looking at other options now and then you can maybe plan for that.

One thing I have done this week is install a Myenergi Zappi which uses excess solar power to automatically charge the car, I’m hoping this makes a difference to my fuel bill too

@windy – did you get the battery looked at/tested?

I wonder did you recieve a update @Windy this winter or just before that saw miles drop, because I have am suspect of something here, it would be interesting to here if other stelantis group cars have had a massive drop after update coinciding with colder weather comming in or not.. because it could indicate low quality cells that they have done a update to reduce range so batteries last the warranty periods, because lets face facts if they batteries are poor quality and using them to a full capacity will mean they dont last 8 years its going to cost them millions in replacments.

you can see the deg went up hugely after the nov 2 update, its quite amazing really

Yeah.. My father in law drives a Compass.

Boy. Oh boy.