Gregdav I have to say we were in the same boat with an Alhambra but with an added pressure of running costs I agree the Vivaro is just a van with seats all be it a little more friendly inside. However I felt that with the electric we could stay on the road and have a wheelchair hoist etc etc seeing us through the next few years whilst tech and price catches up. I am expecting to increase length of lease in the hope that changes. At least I know what we need and the Vivaro isn’t that far away