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#161305
Rene
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    I suppose we ignore the fact that the base model ID3 is cheaper than a low spec A-Class then.

    That “EVs are prohibitively expensive” argument strikes me continuously as odd. Or, of course, more likely, a red herring. Yeah, Teslas, Taycans and “big” EVs are expensive. So are “big” ICE cars.

    If the argument is “if you can’t afford a new car at all”, then you simply don’t buy an EV, the same way you don’t buy a new A-Class in that case. This is an entirely asinine argument.

    As for all the polluting cars in the tunnel, that will be the workers going home.. Sadly these electric cars are way out of reach for them to buy..

    Yeah. So will be any other decent new cars. So what exactly is your point? That there’s no decent used market yet? Fair, it’s new stuff, there’s not much out there, and they tend to keep value considerably better than ICE cars. Same thing with any new technology – try finding cheapies with virtual cockpits, or with any new technology for that matter.

    Point is, your attempt to make everyone feel bad for “the working man” is pathetic. If you can’t afford a new car, it doesn’t matter what kind of technology it has. New EVs, while still slightly more expensive, aren’t £20.000 over a comparable ICE car anymore. Try between £1000-£5000. Sounds a lot? No, not at all – that will amortise itself within 2-3 years. Even with our measly mileage in the last two years due to C19, we’d save around £500 a year in fuel. And that’s on a car that has only run 7000 miles in 2.5 years, averaging 42ish mpg. You can easily double that. After 5 years, you’ve saved more in petrol than you paid for the “EV hike”. That’s not included (in many cases) cheaper tax brackets, where you save again. And then, on top of that, the EV will hold value considerably better than current ICE cars, so if you flog it after 5 years, you’ll make more money back too. And anyone who has just a little bit of sense financially, does acknowledge that.

    This “nobody can afford them” only comes from people who never actually sat down for an hour or two and went through the math. Yes, there are cases where it doesn’t make sense (usually if you have to commute a long distance over motorways), but the majority of moaners simply haven’t actually looked at the bottom line.

    Here’s the thing though. People who can’t afford an EV, or genuinely did the math and came to the conclusion that they won’t save money through it, usually don’t open multiple threads screeching about EVs. People who can’t afford a new car regardless of fuel type, neither.

    Makes you wonder, no?

    Sidenote: TheEngineer had a poll in regards to EVs, where 45% said they wouldn’t buy an EV due to range concerns and (the lack of) charging infrastructure. It’s not the price, it’s range anxiety. And that’s a very valid argument, i suffer from that too. If someone tells me “i don’t know if X miles per charge is enough, and how much charge do you lose in winter etc” – sure. We can sit down with a coffee/tea, do some research (plenty of people on youtube who ran their ID3 at -1 degrees celsius on the motorway to find out real world range, etc) and come to a conclusion, either way.

    Making up stupid arguments because you “don’t like it”, i mean.. Sure.

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