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Another problem to add to the PM´s in tray. As it stands there is little incentive for many people to switch to electric.
If they all go similar at £1 per kWh then it wouldn’t be worth getting an ev without an home charger
The etron we have at work doesn’t achieve 3 miles per kWh now never mind the winter and the range is rubbish on the motorway
I have noticed that the current typical charges 50 – 60p kWh also apply to some 7kWh chargers. At some point a degree of regulation will be required. As is often discussed, home charging is the key for many in their choice.
Onity one of the EV charging companies in June has gone up from 49 pence to 66 pence for both 7 and 50 kWh chargers , no doubt they will increase their prices again
Price gouging, what else is new.
Not quite sure what people expect with current energy prices, the problem here is that help already has been announced and prices are being capped but they still proceed to raise prices.
The announcement that they’ll “reduce prices if they can” already tells you all you need to know. As an aside, Osprey is by far and beyond the most expensive charging network out there (31% over the second most expensive), to make a blanket statement like “petrol now cheaper to run than EVs” when a few hundred chargers, out of tens of thousands, are now price gouging is a bit of a stretch.
This doesn’t even apply to most EV users anyway, since many charge at home, and of those who can’t charge at home, not everyone goes for the fastest charging available.
So, no. For the vast majority of EV owners, EVs are still cheaper to run by a considerable margin compared to petrol/diesels.
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Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.I asked the question. I didn’t say it was the case. However:
Capped energy in the home after October will be 34p per kWh. Take an average EV consumption of 3 miles per kWh so 11p per mile. Petrol car say 45mpg, so 10 miles per litre @ 1.60 so 16p per mile. So yes if you always charge at home it will still be much cheaper. But if you use public chargers, in this scenario once they cost more than 50p per kWh, it’s not.
Very rough mental figures used so please please don’t quibble over the detail!
I asked the question. I didn’t say it was the case. However: Capped energy in the home after October will be 34p per kWh. Take an average EV consumption of 3 miles per kWh so 11p per mile. Petrol car say 45mpg, so 10 miles per litre @ 1.60 so 16p per mile. So yes if you always charge at home it will still be much cheaper. But if you use public chargers, in this scenario once they cost more than 50p per kWh, it’s not. Very rough mental figures used so please please don’t quibble over the detail!
It depends on what figures you put in as you say Wigwam. 3 miles per kWh is a little mean, 4 is a good average, and 45mpg is probably optimistic for petrol, however, the key for many is home charging, overnight at cheaper rates. Ev’s will work for some, and in my case if it was a question of purchasing/leasing privately and paying for a charger, I would have probably stuck with petrol.
It will be interesting to see if the price of petrol keeps falling, we could get back down to the £1.20 range. I’ve only been putting £15 in each time I fill up as the price changes every few days. Saw £1.58 today.
Well this if for 1 EV vendor, and for most I suppose will charge at home, it’s nowhere near as expensive to charge at home.
fwippers, are there any cheaper night time rates any more. On new contracts?
We signed up in July. Fixed for a year 7.5p kW, 4 hours from 21.30. I think Octopus and EDF or one of the other suppliers still offer it. Of course you pay a higher premium for the other 20 hours, in our case 39p vs 34p, so not too bad. As I have said without the ability to charge at home electric would have been a non starter and I am also aware the cost benefits of electric vs ICE will diminish over the years, as we have seen already with removal of grants for cars and chargers.
Not everyone can charge at home and this highlights how Ev’s are just not viable for many who cannot charge at home. What then when many are forced to switch to remain on the scheme or have to leave the scheme or pay huge ap’s to get a plugin hybrid. One thing it is highlighting is how poorly thought-out the policies actually are, or are they meant to be that way?
Fuels cheaper now and many chargers are more expensive but the vid gives you an idea, although how you can compare diesel and petrol at both 50 mpg is beyond me or around town or on the motorway so many variables.
My youngest brother recently swapped to diesel and is saving a huge amount even at higher costs as mostly it’s not urban driving he’s doing.
Maybe next weekend we’ll go visit him as they’ve just had their 1st child, it’s a 380/400 mile round trip. We’ll stay for a few hour’s and they don’t have any off road parking either and nearest charger will be some distance from their house.
Also on that journey i’ll use adaptive cruise most of the time, what effect will that have on a ev’s range. I know it increases my fuel consumption as i just leave it at the set speed and let it do it’s thing, around the speed limit and the journey takes about 3 hours there, if we do stop it’s for a quick leak.
So we would have to charge on the journey adding alot more extra time. Not a big problem in an ICE car but in an ev, it is an issue. Then you return home and then need to charge for tomorrow again the closet charger is too far away and you can only stay for 2 hours in the car park.
Going slower in an ev on motorways is not an option either as it will impact on the time we have to spend seeing them or the time we get home and that will impact on my daughter’s.
Definitely think I’ll be staying with the ice hybrid we just recently bought off the scheme for many year’s, as having an ev would be to much of a hassle and headache. Hopefully we can keep it as long as you’ve had your jazz wigwam.
I switched the video off once I saw the ridiculous 50 mpg for Petrol,/Diesel. 45 and 35 would be more realistic figures.
I’m getting 51+mpg ave on my 2.0 bluehdi that’s chipped to 200+bhp
No idea where they get 50mpg for the petrol though ??
Our xc40 is getting around 25-28 mpg
Likely to be something small or a hybrid.
In my suzuki Vitara mild hybrid. If i didn’t use the acc alot and drove more conservatively around town. I’d more than likely hit 50 mpg, as I’ve averaged 40mpg over 1000 miles combined not even trying to get a low mpg.
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Imo it’s very hard to do a like for like test even on paper for an average as there is so many variables.
Lets do the test in winter not in the summer or do tests 4 times a year and then compare the averages.
There’s always going to be winners and losers in different conditions and types of driving, engines or gearboxes.
The fact remain’s having an ev without the ability to charge at home cheap is expensive and not really viable for many. The comparison in the video was on rapid chargers only and at 69p not the £1 that’s now the highest price of the most popular or available network are charging users.
I think others will follow and charge more, especially when oct comes as we will see rises in energy, just not by as much as we would. Hopefully there no power cuts this winter.
We’ve got an Octavia automatic petrol hybrid. It’s averaged 52.9 mpg over the last 848 miles and 40 hours of driving. It does get up to 50 mpg round town if you don’t thrash it.
I often see around 50mpg in my 2.0L 190bhp seat leon that is petrol.
Electric vehicle VS petrol car running costs
VW ID.3 CHARGED AT HOME
Single charge cost (0-100%): £19.80Number of charges required to cover 10k miles a year: 38
Annual bill for 10k: £752
VW ID.3 CHARGED USING PUBLIC DEVICES
Single charge cost (10-80%): £40Number of charges required to cover 10k miles a year: 48
Annual bill for 10k miles: £1,920
VW GOLF PETROL FUEL COSTS
Each refuel from empty to full: £82.90Number of refuel required to cover 10k miles a year: 19
Annual bill for 10k miles: £1,575
NB: Figures based on an electric VW ID.3 with a 58kW battery and claimed 265-mile range VS VW Golf 1.5-litre petrol with a 50-litre fuel tank capable of covering 50mpg. Home charging calculated using a 7kW charger at a unit rate of 34p per kWh. Public charging cost based on Osprey’s £1 per kWh charge. Petrol costs based on 166.3p-a-litre UK average on 14 September 2022.
Cost to charge an EV at homeMost homechargers offered to customers today are 7kWh devices, so we have used this as our benchmark for the calculation.
The energy price guarantee means electricity costs to the nearest pence from 1 October for an average household on a default tariff paying via direct debit will be 34p per kilowatt hour with a standing charge of 46p per day.
This is much less than it was due to cost under the proposed energy price cap put forward by Ofgem for the start of next month, with the unit rate for electricity set to soar to 52p per kWh.
In the scenario that an electric car owner pays 34p per kWh, fully charging the Volkswagen ID.3’s battery to 100 per cent will, in theory, take just over eight hours at a cost of £19.80.
With the ID.3 offering a range of 265 miles (according to the manufacturer claims), that works out at cost per mile of around 7.5p.
Based on the average Briton covering 10,000 miles per year, an owner of an ID.3 would need to charge their car at least 38 times, working out an annual running cost bill of £752.
The above calculation is based on a worst-case scenario, with the likelihood that many EV drivers charge their cars overnight during cheaper off-peak periods and will have shopped around for the cheapest fixed rate energy deal that guarantees them lower domestic electricity pricing.
Some might have been fortunate enough to have taken advantage of EV-specific energy tariffs that have until recently been available to electric car drivers.
Numerous providers were offering these dedicated EV-tariffs a year ago, though almost all have been pulled from the market in response to the rising cost of energy – the latest being EDF Energy, which has cited ‘ongoing energy market volatility’ for closing availability to new customers in recent weeks.
Only Octopus Energy currently offers a low fixed-rate EV tariff, providing off-peak rates of 7.5p per kWh when charging an electric car during the hours of 11:30pm and 5:30am.
That’s 26.5p less during that six-hour window than the energy price guarantee of 34p per kWh from October – though an Octopus spokesperson told us that its pricing is always under review, suggesting it might not stay that low for long.
Cost to charge an EV using the public network
Around a third of properties in the UK do not have off-street parking. For EV drivers in this predicament, they are heavily reliant on the national network of public chargers, of which there are over 32,000 devices in the UK, according to latest government statistics. And they’re much pricier to use compared to charging at home.
Almost every public charging operator has already increased their prices once this year in response to the wider energy crunch, with Osprey’s new hike being its second in just eight weeks.
The increase to £1 per kWh makes Osprey Charging by far the most expensive network to date. In fact, the next priciest is Ionity, which currently charges 69p per kWh for pay-as-you-go customers to access its rapid devices – though that could soon rise.
For our calculation for EV running costs via the public network, we have used Osprey’s existing rate of £1 per kWh.
Electrying.com says the cost to charge the Volkswagen ID.3 from 10 to 80 per cent battery capacity – which is the typical charging session on a public rapid device – at an Osprey charger has risen to £40. A year ago, it would have cost just £16.
In order to cover 10,000 miles a year, the driver would need to plug into the network 48 times (taking into account the battery is only being charged up to 80 per cent capacity).
This means the annual running costs for the family-size EV would rise to £1,920.
Cost to refuel a petrol equivalent
Now we know how much it could cost to annually charge an electric car at home or via the public network from 1 October, how does it fair against an equivalent petrol model?
The 1.5-litre petrol VW Golf we’ve used for comparative purposes has a 50-litre fuel tank and an ‘official’ range of just over 50mpg. It means it can travel for 550 miles when brimmed with unleaded, though realistically – like the ID.3 – the real-world range will be shorter under normal driving conditions.
Based on current fuel prices (unleaded at 165.8p a litre on Thursday 15 September) it costs £82.90 to fill the tank of the popular family hatchback.
The Golf will need to be filled up with fuel 19 times a year to cover 10,000 miles in 12 months, which works out at £1,575.
That’s £823 more than the domestic charging costs for the electric ID.3, meaning EV owners who do have charging provisions at home will continue to save a substantial amount of money having switched away from petrol cars.
However, it is £345 less than charging up only using Osprey devices, meaning the combustion-engine car is the cheaper of the two options to run.
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