Reply To: Whatever happened to Brexit?

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Avatar photoMike 700
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    Georgie, if you want solid researched arguements they are readily available. Why should I bother trying to change your view. The reality is there will be great changes, some good, some bad and it will take a while for the UK and the EU to adjust to our new position in the world . For me, as a believer in democracy and the nation state, it’s enough we are escaping the clutches of an undemocratic technocracy.

     

     

    We accept that north of the border certain politicians are constantly using the term ‘this Tory government ‘ and this ‘Tory hard Brexit’, & the UK government, always in a derogatory fashion, attempting to ‘subliminally’ plant anti Tory anti Westminster, anti UK messages in voter’s, and especially young people’s , minds, they hate the UK with a passion, but they do not try to hide it.

    Then we have the EU supporters in the rest of the Uk, who follow the EU line, to the letter, doing down their own country at every opportunity, especially the PM! who has been cast as a womanising , child eating, pet kicking archetypal toffee nosed ,lying , cheating Tory clown leading a ragbag army of crooked Government Ministers.

    He has been criticised, laughed at , sworn at and generally been accused of crimes against Humanity but the truth is that he stands up for the Uk and the majority Which is anathema to remainers, and frankly, the rumoured proposals from the EU, could not be supported by any UK Government , irrespective of Political Party!

    Further, Flights , air corridors, overflying etc are not controlled by the EU, and are unlikely to ever be, except perhaps in times of war, and there would be civil war in the EU if holiday flights etc were curtailed by the little men hiding in Brussels!

    (I remember flying up the central air corridor from Cologne/Bonn to Tempelhof back in the early sixties ( Cold War ) shadowed each side by a MIG, ostensibly of the GDR., (but they communicated in Russian) , and they were ensuring that we didn’t stray outside of the corridor, but this is not the Cold War it is a negotiation on a potential Free trade agreement only )

    Customs checks , immigration checks etc at airports are the responsibility of the member countries and therefore the EU! But not aircraft movements!

    Why on earth aircraft movements and also police and security cooperation should even be discussed in the same breath as a ‘trade’ agreement” is beyond reason !

    When it comes to politics, facts and plain simple truths seem to have taken a back seat, to be replaced by highly emotional opinions , especially coming from the remain camp who are reacting with glee that ‘our ‘ Country is being shafted by the EU.

    Project Fear has been given a free ride on the Gravy Train that most remainers are also passengers on, but that train is heading into the sidings , with remainers blindly partying all the way- until it hits the buffers!

    Project Fear proponents only ever see the Costs, problems etc, from the UK side , prophets of doom , doing down their own country, and rarely if ever mentioning the costs , problems etc that the EU will face.

    WTO rules will cost the UK of course, but Brexiteers knew that there would be a cost to leaving, from Day 1, but we will save net of some £8 billion in EU membership fees alone,, which initially will be utilised to compensate for WTO additional costs- but it is hardly ever mentioned by Project Fear supporters, that tariffs will hit the EU as well as the UK, causing financial disaster in some states .

    Both Ireland and Holland are , today, forecasting disaster for their economies, and others are beginning to realise the enormity of how a ‘no deal’ scenario will hit their economies and employment etc etc

    Even the major economies like Germany and France will be hit hard by a no deal Brexit, with massive job losses- French fishing of course will be decimated, and by their own President putting his sIze 9 in?

    Then we get the remainers rubbing their hands together over the potential lorry queues at the Tunnel, but no mention of the EU Lorries heading for the uk nor the queues wanting access to the UK.

    Project Fear projects one side of the story only , and what they say should be taken with a large shovel full of salt!