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    @kezo

    For sure its not “Targets ” as you suggest, some are already Law, the rest are transitional, but being made into law.

    Most is tied into the ZEV mandate, which IS Law and aimed at vehicle manufacturers. This is from Chatgpt and the current state of UK law and where it is heading. You got to remember politicians need Wiggle Room when required, like BoJo messing with the 2030 date and Starmer on the same day saying its going back to 2030 when they get in power. Its political nonsense the way they turn around.

    ChatGPT

     

    ChatGPT said:
    It isn’t quite the same as a blanket legal ban today — it’s in the process of becoming law via regulatory mandates. Here’s how it works:

    What currently is in law / regulation
    The UK has introduced a Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate for manufacturers, which legally requires a minimum proportion of new car sales to be zero-emission vehicles. House of Commons Library+2Full Fact+2
    Under that mandate, the share of new cars that must be zero emission will increase to 80% by 2030, and 100% by 2035. House of Commons Library+1
    In April 2025, the government published a response to a consultation, reconfirming the commitment to “end the sale of new purely ICE cars by 2030” while allowing for hybrids or other flexible pathways in some cases. GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2
    So, the 2030 “end of new ICE car sales” is being embedded via regulatory obligations (the ZEV mandate), rather than being merely a political promise with no enforcement mechanism.

    What is still just a commitment / subject to change
    The detailed rules (what counts as “zero emission,” how hybrids are treated, exemptions, enforcement, penalties) are still under consultation and may evolve. GOV.UK+3GOV.UK Assets+3Full Fact+3
    Some small or specialty vehicle manufacturers may be exempt or have derogations. GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2
    The “end ICE by 2030” target has been adjusted before (at one point the government pushed it back to 2035) and could be subject to future change, depending on political decisions. Pod+2The AA+2
    Importantly, existing ICE vehicles (and used ICE vehicles) are not targeted to be banned — the restriction is on new sales, not on driving or owning older ICE cars. The AA+2Pod+2

    Conclusion
    So to answer your question:

    It’s not just a rhetorical target — there are statutory / regulatory levers (the ZEV Mandate) being used to give real legal weight.
    But it isn’t a fully ironclad law in every respect just yet — details and scope are still being fleshed out, and there is room for exemptions and adjustments.
    If you like, I can check the very latest (2025) legislative texts to see exactly how binding the mandate is now. Do you want me to do that?

    You said:
    Please do

    ChatGPT said:
    I did some digging, and here’s what the legal and regulatory status looks like as of 2025 around the UK “2030 ICE phase-out” (sale of new internal combustion engine cars). The picture is somewhat complex, because parts are already law, parts are under consultation, and some decisions remain to be finalized.

    What is already law / regulation
    The ZEV Mandate is now law
    On 3 January 2024, regulations establishing the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate came into force. GOV.UK+2House of Commons Library+2

    Under this framework, manufacturers of new cars and vans are required (by regulation) to ensure that a certain proportion of their sales are zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs). GOV.UK Assets+3GOV.UK+3House of Commons Library+3
    The mandate sets a trajectory: 22% of new car sales must be ZEVs in 2024, rising over time to 80% by 2030. ICCT+5House of Commons Library+5Legislation.gov.uk+5
    By 2035, the regulation requires 100% of new cars and vans to be zero emission. GOV.UK Assets+4GOV.UK+4Legislation.gov.uk+4
    Thus, the ZEV mandate is a binding regulatory instrument — not just a target — for manufacturers. GOV.UK+3Legislation.gov.uk+3GOV.UK Assets+3
    Government’s “restoring 2030 ICE-only ban” proposal partly in consultation / policy form
    In April 2025, the government published its response to a consultation and confirmed its intention to restore the ban on new purely internal combustion engine cars from 2030 (i.e. cars without any electrification). GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2

    The consultation response states that, “from 2030 all new cars will need to be hybridised in some manner — or be zero emission.” GOV.UK
    It also acknowledges that small volume manufacturers, special-purpose vehicles, kits, and micro vehicle makers may have exemptions or require bespoke derogations. GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2
    The government says that part of the policy (defining exactly what “ICE-only” means, which drivetrains are allowed, definitions, thresholds) will require further legislative or regulatory detail. GOV.UK Assets+3GOV.UK Assets+3GOV.UK+3

    What is not yet fully settled / what remains to be legislated or regulated
    The strict 2030 ban on new internal combustion engine (ICE) cars (with no electrification) is not fully implanted as a stand-alone law yet. The government’s 2025 consultation response confirms the intention rather than a completed statute. GOV.UK+2Jones Day+2
    The precise definitions and mechanisms (which kinds of hybrid or electrified drivetrains count, the thresholds, credits, exemptions, how small / micro manufacturers are handled) are still subject to further rules or secondary legislation. ICCT+6GOV.UK Assets+6GOV.UK+6
    Some flexibility has been introduced (or proposed) in how manufacturers comply with the ZEV mandate (e.g. credit trading, borrowing allowances, credit for reducing average CO₂ emissions of non-ZEVs) — which complicates the rigidity of the system. GOV.UK Assets+3ICCT+3DriveElectric+3
    Political changes could affect the final form and timing of the law. The government has shifted between 2030 → 2035 → back to 2030 (for the ICE-only ban) as part of policy decisions. Jones Day+3GOV.UK+3GOV.UK+3

    Summary & assessment
    The ZEV Mandate, with binding obligations on manufacturers to sell rising proportions of zero-emission vehicles, is already law, and thus carries legal force (regulatory penalties for non-compliance).
    The “end the sale of new ICE-only cars in 2030” is currently a policy commitment being backed by proposed regulation, but it is not yet fully codified in a standalone statute with all definitions settled.
    The government is in the process of embedding that 2030 ICE-only ban through amendments to the ZEV framework or related legislation/regulations.
    In short: the 2030 ICE-only ban is more than just a target, but it is not yet fully locked in with all legal detail — it’s in a transitional stage of becoming law.

    All this can change on a whim by spineless politicians ..