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October 20, 2019 at 8:41 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92541
Did you see the Rugby?
I hear that Nicola Sturgeon has demanded that the Japan V Scotland game be played again as the result was against the wishes of the majority of Scots.October 20, 2019 at 7:42 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92538
Yup!October 20, 2019 at 6:16 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92530
Eyes need to be opened on both sides, as it is a clear case of political myopia to see only one side of the debate.
Therefore for balance , as the Leave Campaign has been accused of
a. Not explaining the consequences of leaving the EU, and
b. Of peddling lies,
we need to take a longer look at the Remain Campaign –
Project Fear , was, and still is, a well orchestrated, very successful, but nevertheless ‘highly flawed’ , campaign, of spin and lies put together by a ragbag of anti democracy MP’s, Ministers, failed former ministers , lefty comedians , anti Tories , the politically expedient , and swallowed whole by the gullible , but is riddled with nonsense and exaggeration , and it is clear to me , rather than the accusation that many people voted to leave because of the ‘ lies’ told by the Leave Campaign, the opposite is true –
‘in that very many people undoubtedly voted remain through ‘fear’ and doubt’, promoted by the Project Fear campaign!
Of course the reasons for voting to remain were spelled out, more than adequately, by months and months of media propaganda, which Remainers conveniently chose to forget, and all political leaders except Farage promoting the case for remaining, and then to ensure that there was no confusion as to where Remainers stood, every household in the country received a pro remain Government leaflet !
This expensive, glossy campaign, was so superior , compared to a badly worded message on one bus for the leave campaign.
In hindsight the message on the bus was probably a mistake, as it left the campaign open to misrepresentation by the remain camp – perhaps they should have said ‘ we’ll spend the £ 350 a week on scrapping student tuition fees and student debt’ in stead, but that would be a lie of course, and completely unacceptable- hang on , wait a minute, wasn’t that the same lie Jeremy Corbyn sold to the electorate , a lie which ‘bought’ him dozens of seats?
So Bo Jo is not alone?
Unfortunately, ‘project fear’ ( which continues unabated) is driving our economy downwards -talk about shooting ourselves in the foot -but, at least it is a foot and not 33% of a metre’!October 20, 2019 at 5:05 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92524
So Brydo, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, and don’t forget that this is only a friendly debate, , but as I interpret your post, your idea of democracy is ‘that you feel it is your right to do all in your power to overturn democratically arrived at decisions, irrespective of there being a majority opposed to you, especially by under handed means , cheating people out of their aspirations , without any feeling of guilt on your part’?
This being the case, you can’t possibly complain in the future if we use the very same methods to stop Scottish Independence and do everything in our power to thwart your aspirations, and keep the United Kingdom’ together, as one big family?
But of course, as Democrats, we do not think like that, and would respect the result of an Independence referendum decision, which if it was to separate from the rest of the family, we would not stand in your way?
Looking at how your democracy would work, I can only find that Robert Mugabe must have had a big influence in this way of thinking, and it really is sinking to the Lowest depths when MP’s are accosted in the street and have to be provided with a police escort!
I’ll bet my house that in another independence Referendum there will be one question ie leave or remain, not leave with a. Or leave with b. Or leave with C. Or remain with d or remain with E etc etc etc. One question only!!!!!
October 20, 2019 at 3:09 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92511
- This reply was modified 11 hours, 2 minutes ago by Mike 700.
I live in the UK Brydo, in what I thought was a democracy, overseen by the ‘Mother of all Parliaments’, where fair and free of interference Elections and referendums take place , with the results being honoured , no questions asked!
It seems however, that I was wrong, I must be living somewhere in the Third World!
Of course, I have only been voting in elections since 1964, so I guess that I am not experienced enough in how things work yet, especially in the dark arts of opposition
,October 20, 2019 at 1:47 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92503
Wales won the Rugby quarter final at the World Cup, by 1 point – enough , didn’t need any more?
The losers accept the result and move on.
Plotters against the people’s Referendum result , have won votes in Parliament, by between one and 16 votes lately – enough, didn’t need any more, ask Bercow, one vote is enough!
The Government accept the results and move on!
MP’s have been elected by just 4 votes, the losers accept the result and move on!
When it comes to the EU referendum ………………………………
Well, frankly a majority is ignored and yet at the same time we are expected to take notice of a few hundred thousand anti Brexit protesters including rent a mob, and ignore 17.4 million citizens and now according to the latest polls, probably a lot more- wake up people ‘remain MP’s ‘are abusing the power bestowed upon them by the electorate, for their own political ends!
Boris Johnson is not perfect, who is? But he is trying to fulfil the wishes of the majority , in a Parliament which promised to carry out the wishes of the majority, it is Parliament which is abusing the electorate for purely selfish political reasons.October 20, 2019 at 10:31 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92482
Stop trying to thwart democracy and and the agreement will pass!October 20, 2019 at 10:23 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92480
Democracy and frankly ‘honesty’ demands that the result of the referendum is honoured – no ifs , no ands , and no buts, anything less is an affront to democracy.October 20, 2019 at 12:12 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92444
Btw according to private labour polling, they could lose 70-80 seats to the Tories in a GE.
The people know where the faults on Brexit lie , and no matter how you dress’s it’s up Corbyn and co. Are the culprits!
BoJo has only just arrived on the scene , over three years after the referendum, and in built hatred of Tories cannot disguise where the blame lies!October 20, 2019 at 12:00 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92441
Mike 700, was the referendum choice of Leave or Remain explained honestly to us before we voted?.
Pops, I reiterate-
The reasons for voting to remain were spelled out, more than adequately, by months of media propaganda, all political leaders except for Nigel Farage , promoting the case for remaining, and every household in the country receiving a pro remain Government leaflet , all of which swallowed up badly worded message on one bus for the leave campaign.
All the slick remain arguments were skilfully backed up by The disgraceful Project Fear, so no excuses – ‘we had been warned ‘ we were all going to end up in the poorhouse, yet, the majority still voted to leave.
Why? Well maybe they were still smarting after years of being treated like idiots by self serving politicians , and gravy train passengers or maybe they were fed up with being dictated to by unelected ( by us ) unaccountable Eurocrats,
Along with many forum members no doubt, I remember life before the EU, and just like there was life and business and trade and success before the mobile phone was invented and the computer became King, and before social media & trolls, and so there will be ‘now that the vote is to not be members anymore ‘- “there will be life ” , there will be success!
I actually voted to join a ‘Common Market’ which was and still would be attractive to most British business, and would kill all of the argumentscput about trade , but politicians and unelected officials have ruined the principle of a free trading market ( note. without consultation to the electorate, ) & established a political union of mainly second division ( economically ) countries’ which have been robbing the first division countries blind , including us, for decades ( via the good offices of a bunch of unelected Eurocrats )
Overburdened with more bad than good legislation, unable to do very much without referring to some political appointee in Brussels, that is no road to success, we need to run our own economy!
If a business was run like the EU, it would fail fail and fail again, yet the EU survives ( bumps along anyway ) because we, and several other first division countries throw hard earned money at it, money which could and should be better spent in the UK.
The country voted to leave, the politicians of all parties have a duty to uphold the result of the referendum, whether with without a deal.
But, Twisting & Turning – on & on it goes, excuses , excuses, excuses, semantics – a load of old cobblers frankly!
Let’s cut through all the huffing & puffing by some extremely deluded remoaners –
Complaint – The consequences of a leave vote were not explained , well as already mentioned, every household in the country received a ‘Remain” leaflet which clearly and unambiguously set out the consequences of a leave vote.
There was no doubt, no question, the leaflet was explicit – ‘leaving the EU would be Armageddon ‘ yet the majority still voted to leave .
There is no doubt that this heavily biased pro- remain leaflet persuaded and even frightened very very many people to vote remain, and had it been neutral in it’ s approach, it is more than likely that the leave vote would have been considerably greater- argue out of that?
So, as already mentioned, every Political Party Leader , except Nigel Farage, supported a remain vote, every TV News station supported remain, and gave the political leaders exceptional amounts of air time and Anti ( the spelling is correct in this instance ) BBC has made a cottage industry out of being anti Brexit.
Then we have the complaints –
1. Parliament was not consulted – nonsense , Parliament had in fact been consulted and, by debating and approving the Referendum Bill on a 6 to 1 vote , ‘ SIX TO ONE ‘ majority’ vote, explicitly passed the decision to the people to make.
2. it is only fair to have another vote, now that we know about the consequences of leaving , but of course this is where the delusion really sets in.
Let’s take a look at this ‘extremely deluded, thinking – we didn’t know what leave really meant to us, so we need another referendum to put things right ( for the remainers ) .
As I indicated in another post, it therefore follows ,that the losing side in
any election should demand anther vote because (their party didn’t win) they didn’t know the full consequences of the party manifestos and now need to put that right ( in their opinion )
It’s all nonsense of course, and the gobbledygook posted on this Forum supporting this nonsense, really does prove this, and ‘putting it plainly’ –
‘ Is just third world thinking”!
The referee’s decision is final, the whistle has blown , there is no video ref., the game is over –
One nil to The Leave Team!
In any event, leave, remain, deal, no deal, Tory, Labour, Eurocrats, we are leaving , and everyone has known from the beginning that there would likely be a cost ( initially ) to leave, but there is also likely to be a Brexit Dividend, and importantly, we will be masters of our own destiny again!
October 19, 2019 at 6:31 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92398
- This reply was modified 1 day, 4 hours ago by Mike 700.
Mike it appears to suit your way of thinking that everything is black and white, them against us but life doesn’t work that way. Everything I have posted here refers ultimately to a peoples vote, a legally binding vote where leave without a deal is an option. I believe we know more about brexit than we did before and therefore we can make an informed decision. There will be people, like yourself, who were guided by others in their initial vote, and have now changed their mind.There are People who will never change their minds whether they be brexiteers or remainders but it is the group in between who are easily swayed one way or the other, flippers I think they are called, who make it difficult to determine the result of any referendum. I have held this view all along and I still believe it to be the only way to resolve this crisis. If the people
Over 40 million people were asked one ‘black and white’ question Brydo – Remain or Leave!
There were no other colours on offer, especially ‘beige’, so yes, it was a black and white question expecting a black and white answer -Remain or Leave?
The losers immediately saw ‘red’, and attempted to colour the issue with different shades eg hard black Brexit, soft white Brexit, and a colourless no deal Brexit, none of which was on offer at the referendum.
Several political beings in fact have been using paint strippers etc., and any & every other trick in the book. to try and wipe off the paint and put their own colour scheme on it.October 18, 2019 at 3:46 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92275
Snap YouGov poll finds Brexit supporters want MPs to pass the deal, but opinion could change as more detail on the new bill emerges
With Boris Johnson and the EU having finally agreed a new deal it looks like the three-year Brexit saga may be coming to an end.
That being said, the Prime Minister still needs to pass his bill through a divided Parliament. But for what may ultimately prove to be a brief moment, Johnson finds public opinion in favour of his deal.
By 41% to 24%, Britons want to see Parliament vote to accept the Brexit deal. Crucially for the PM, fully two thirds (67%) of Leave voters want MPs to vote for it.
At the same time there has also been a remarkable turnaround in Leave voters’ attitudes on which type of Brexit they prefer.
While previous polls have consistently shown Leave voters to prefer a No Deal Brexit in a fight between a deal, No Deal and Remain, the confirmation of the new deal now sees 48% saying they most want to leave the EU on those terms and only 33% preferring to leave without a deal. Among the public as a whole, 30% of Britons favour the deal, 17% No Deal and 38% Remain, with the final 15% unsure.October 18, 2019 at 3:41 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92273
The French President warned the House of Commons to take the new Brexit pact seriously because it was put together by “real leaders with real strategic thoughts”. Speaking after the European Council summit in Brussels, he said: “I am not trying to read into the future but I do not think we shall grant any further delay. “I think it is a time to put an end to these negotiations and move on to the future relationship.
BoJo’s deal or ‘ no deal’ then!October 18, 2019 at 10:56 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92234
If the deal gets through and we leave, what happens to the Brexit Party, and our Nige?
Up the creek without a Brexit paddle, no wonder he is doing the rounds today , slagging off the document that will hasten his redundancy- wouldn’t anybody?October 18, 2019 at 10:51 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92233
In one sentence Brydo, you have exposed the truth over what you, the SNP, The Labour Party, the Lib Non-Dems and the Monster Raving Loonie Party, sorry Plaid Cymru are and have for the last three years, been doing.
It is now clear that the nitpicking and coming up with all sorts of absolute nonsense, project fear lies etc etc is a complete farce -we already know that you want to remain but now you have confessed to saying and doing anything to achieve this aim – the end justifies the means!
😜😜😜October 18, 2019 at 6:48 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92216
The truth at last, Brydo!
If only the politicians were as honest?October 18, 2019 at 12:11 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92195
I’ve said it before and now I will say it again Brydo, the so called ‘Unity’ government would be an unelected left wing monstrosity and only united by opposition to the democratically arrived at result of the referendum.
Also, Brydo this constitutional abomination would only come to fruition with support of the very people who hate Westminster with a passion, the SNP, and by a Labour Party looking forward to annihilation in Scotland and a thrashing elsewhere,, getting the keys to the Treasury, before it’s too late, and anyway, they would likely only scrape in with just over 50% of the MP’s voting for it, , leaving probably nearly half of MP’s in dis -Unity with them!
It would never be a Government of National Unity it would be a government imposed by a coup, with punishment awaiting them at the General Election – Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind?October 17, 2019 at 10:42 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92186
As I understand it Brydo, if the opposition parties use up the last of their nine lives **and get the numbers to defeat the ‘deal’, and force the PM to send the Benn Letter, ( Juncker stated today ,that the other 27 EU Heads of State have to ‘unanimously ‘ agree to another extension ) which he , Junker, indicated was extremely unlikely to be taken seriously, and get the vote required for an extension, then the default position, under Article 50 (the Benn Act cannot supersede EU Treaty Law ) is that that we will leave on 31st October with ‘ No Deal’ – which will be 100% the fault of ‘Remainers’!
Commit political suicide for the upcoming GE – the people will punish them severely.October 17, 2019 at 4:22 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92140
I know that this debate is only a bit of fun, because nothing we say on this Forum will make a blind bit of difference to the outcome of a vote on Saturday, but fun or not, I think that it is still important for us to get our facts right!
There are not three Brexiteers **, as all the current evidence shows that there is clearly an increase in numbers in the country for those in favour of leaving, and a decrease in those in favour of remaining, and this increase /decrease is likely to be reflected on this Forum, even if members are not contributing to our debate?
It is not really the leave camp which is ‘split’, the majority as evidenced in the latest polling, they just want out, deal, no deal, good , bad or indifferent deal it doesn’t matter, the ever increasing majority want out and ‘now’ !
If Wigwam, Fwippers and I happen to not agree on some of the conditions, details etc, so be it, but that doesn’t mean that each of us would not compromise in order that a deal is accepted in order to enact the democratically arrived at result of the referendum – I’m sure that they would agree that democracy must prevail .
I’m sorry to have to expose a rather large mistake on your part, in that the big split is that of the remain camp, where the Labour Party’s Brexit policy is totally confused, even to them, the Liberal Non-democrat’s policy is to simply ignore the result of the existing Referendum, as well as the result of any future referendum, where the result does not express their viewpoint!
The SNP policy is to oppose anything and everything proposed by a Tory government and therefore anything they say is null & void!
You accuse Wigwam of ignoring 48 % of the public, and I know that he has already replied, but once again there is a contradiction in your assumption , in that you appear to believe that ‘ so called’ ignoring the ( imaginary , as it be likely to be as low as 40% now not 48% ) yet you support breaking up the U.K. and ignoring the high percentage of Scottish voters who wished to a stay in uk and the high percentage of Scottish voters who want out of the EU
The people have already voted and it’s the Remainers antics which has split the country, so how can you possibly justify saying another vote will unite the country, especially as the result will likely be close once again.
Les Trois Mousquetaires
Darting here and darting there .
Seemingly without a worry or a care
But serious business was on his young mind
‘ D’artagnan ‘ the brave & clever addition to the ‘three of a kind’
There was of course Porthos who didn’t perspire much for a fat sort of guy
And Aramis who was busy making after shave for the world to buy
With father figure Athos guarding the group from the rear
Because all four , the EU Republicans did Fear
The ‘Four ‘ Brexiteers we’re determined to show
That outside of the Republic their business would grow
Joined by entrepreneurs country wide
There was going to be for those Republicans nowhere to hide
Led by arch villain Junker and his unelected Republican bunch
Tripping & falling from yet another liquid lunch
He asked Barnier to put up the barricades, and from Brexiteers £40 billion to steal
Make their lives outside of the EU Republic like that of the Bastille’
But D’artagnan screamed no deal no deal at the Republican horde
No deal no money how will you possibly afford.
Your extravagant plans for your EU spending
No deal, no money ‘your Republican Project is ending’
My brain hurts……….
￼October 17, 2019 at 4:22 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92139
Well said .October 17, 2019 at 8:23 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92073
It appears that the DUP tail representing under 300000 people who voted for them at the last election, has wagged the 17.4 million PLUS dog , yet again?
Another 10 votes in Parliament against – not looking good, unless the Tories and the Labour MP ‘s who would like to keep their seats and salaries. Etc. Suddenly get an injection of the reality of voting against the majority, and of facing redundancy ?
Or, is it just a ploy?
MP’s , seem , all to be a bit thick, as well as being as crafty as a bag of monkeys, so who knows?
October 17, 2019 at 8:05 am in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #92068
- This reply was modified 3 days, 19 hours ago by Mike 700.
your being very selective –
Brexit bombshell: New poll of 26,000 show 54% support for Leave – ruining Remainer claims
A BOMBSHELL new poll of 26,000 people has found that 54 percent now support Leave compared to 46 percent who want to have Brexit cancelled.
The 54 percent figure excludes those who responded to say they didn’t know. If the number of Britons who are unsure is included, the result is 50 percent to 42.
October 15, 2019 at 10:15 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #91888
- This reply was modified 3 days, 19 hours ago by Mike 700.
Just for you Brydo –
If you had asked me yesterday
If telling lies could sometimes pay
I would have said you ‘foolish youth’
Better always to tell the truth
But maybe now it’s time to think again
‘Cause ‘Truth’ can sometimes bring such pain
So on those occasions , maybe tell that little white lie
Rather than blurt out the ‘Truth’ do or die
Just imagine catching some poor soul off guard
About say a family illness , they could be hit so hard
By telling alł with no holding back on the bad news
So ‘think’ – just imagine being in their shoes
It’s our 51st. Wedding Anniversary today, and Mrs 700 wants to go out to eat?
So, we will be heading in to Torquay for some fresh fish , especially shellfish,
she loves lobster !
Having seen the menus on line, we’re both having starters of scallops with some sort of purée. and I’m having the black pudding with mine.
The boss is having seafood including Half a Lobster , and I’m having a 28 day matured 14Oz , yes 14 Oz Rib Eye with a lobster tail.
Not sure about sweet – maybe Ice cream, no coffee .October 11, 2019 at 8:27 pm in reply to: Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK? Mark 2 #91238
EU 27 give green light for ‘tunnel ‘ negotiations!
There is light at the end of the ‘tunnel’
One for Brydo ‘tunnel vision’ 😎😎😎
Enjoy your hols.
I’m in Torquay for 4 nights and just been down to Newquay and back – piddling down all day, but a great lunch.