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@MFillingham – What the forum would benifit from is a thread with all basic in and outs of owning and running an EV, getting from A to B etc, where advice can be given in one place. Have an open mind without the need to preach and be cool headed… ?
I suspect I’m being set up but if you genuinely feel there’s benefit, I can do that.
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It’s showing when I search……
All 3? I can see one model, which is the 63kWh Advance that’s been on the scheme for ages. The two shown above don’t appear in searches.
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Can we have a bit of perspective here?
This thread is titled about an EV so, unsurprisingly, many who are interested/have BEVs will have a read. While the review isn’t positive (which is absolutely fine, we can’t all like the same things) there were several comments within the review insinuating we’re all fibbing. Whilst some of us can let that slide it seems others bit.
In the same way some people jump out of the woodwork to spread the hate around everything BEV related, some will do their best to pass the good word about what appears to be the, at least foreseeable, future of personal transportation. With governments and major companies investing heavily in the vehicles and charging networks like it or not electric vehicles are here to stay.
There are some who come from a reasonable place and listen to both sides There are some from both sides firmly entrenched in their position. Now, I’m not going to preach about the benefits of one drive technology over the other, I think I’ve proven my ability to listen to both sides and allow the other their opinion without the need to convert with near religious fervor.
Having followed this thread from the point I commented much earlier, it’s clear the language used hasn’t been inducive to an adult, reasoned debate. Maybe, from here on, we be less defensive and more constructive in our differences?
Environmentally, there is a lot to be gained in getting some far eastern countries weaned off coal and that would aid the green credentials of most vehicles made in these countries, again regardless of drive train.
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The big question is will we see the replacement any time soon? The kodiaq has been very popular on the scheme and, presumably, through all other channels as well, it’s a brave step to pull that while it’s doing so well and we can only assume the next iteration will be even better.
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When you mentioned cables, was that the one with the car? If so, wait until you have to lift a rapid charging high power cable with built in cooling, I’m amazed some people can actually move them around.
As per any other form of powertrain, different cars are better at some things than others. I know from experience that wind noise can be the loudest sound from an EV and we all know some cars are really awful at keeping that down.
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I agree with Phaedra, you need to speak to Motability and see what they have to say. The cancellation payment is entirely at their discretion, if they see reason to they’ll waive the fee.
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There is also the very grey area of prescription medicine. If you are on something as simple as pain killers (e.g. co-codamol) it could be a difficult thing to justify you were/are fit to drive. And don’t rely on a GP to back you up in court as they will not be able to say at a particular point in time, if you were fit to drive.
As with alcohol and recreational drugs, different people are affected differently. I have pain relief I can only take at night as I know there’s no way I’d be fit to drive within 4 hours of taking them. Fortunately the rest doesn’t impede my driving. However, I know my wife taking the same drugs would be barely able to find the car.
It’s hard to gauge as some effects are difficult to tell yourself but if there’s any way your reactions are slowed, then there’s every chance that, should an accident happen (even if you’re not at fault) you could be declared unfit to drive.
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I’m sorry, but nobody has “one drink” and blows 38 on a breath test. Also, if you are over the drink drive limit you can be deemed the ‘at fault’ party, even if it’s the other (sober) person who has done something daft.
I can have one drink and blow over 35, it might have to be a half pint of rum though.
Seriously though, this is a very clear warning that chosing to have a drink with dinner is mutually exclusive to driving home. In this day and age, there are many reasons to either drink something else or get home a different way.
There will be no long term issues for insuring after this as you weren’t prosecuted for drink driving. However, I wouldn’t want to think what will happen with this claim, especially as insurance companies are experts at getting out of paying out money.
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Hi, the only people that see the benefits to the AP or extras are the dealers buying them at auction once you finish with them.
How do you work that out? If I bought 2 Enyaqs, one exactly the same as the other except for the addition of the Plus Pack and sold them 2 years later with pretty much exact same mileage, I can guarantee I’d get more in auction for the one with the packs, not to the value of the pack but still more. So, if we assume that the purchase price reduces by the same percentage, buying one for £2,750 (or whatever it is) more would result in it being worth somewhere between £1,000 and £2,000 more after 3 years. Taking worst case, if the AP was increased by £1,800 for the clever pack (£5249 AP + £1800 = £7049, round to £7000) would benefit the customer in 2 ways – 1/ we pay less for the same thing and 2/ if we had to surrender the car early, we’d see some of that extra payment back AND it would still benefit Motability as they’d probably have more cars with the extra packs to sell after the lease ends.
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I agree, in a car that’s not much shorter than the Enyaq, there’s a huge difference in boot size.
12V batteries can fail in so many EVs. I think it’s something to do with how it gets recharged instead of the alternator from an ICE source. The waiting time did put us off the Ioniq too, it’s a nice car but not that nice. Surprisingly for something that was so far advanced when it came out there are features missing that make it feel a little old, like wireless carplay/Android Auto.
if by some miracle Skoda and Motability find a way to add the clever pack as a separate offering instead of self funded addition, then that would pretty much seal the deal but it just feels a bit off that I spend nearly 3 grand I’ll never see again on extras when, should I leave the scheme before 3 years I’d see some of the AP back. Worse, there is a possibility of getting the Plus pack onto the IV60 which would be 4 grand AP and 5 grand gone.
I just wished the Mrs didn’t get out of the ID4 so quickly, better equipped but she got real back ache after just a few minutes.
Isn’t it odd the Q4 doesn’t get mentioned in the same circles much?
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Well one things for certain, if I do go for the Mustang they won’t be getting a penny out of me. That saying I wasn’t really over impressed with it.
same here. My shortlist is the VW id4/5, Hyundai Ionic 5 and my no.1 choice the Skoda Enyaq.
I’m toying between the Enyaq, Mach E and Ariya. The Enyaq has space forever but to get the equipment I’d like is a pretty expensive add on, the Mach E is the only car I’ve tried where I can get in without bending my knee, which when that knee is severely arthritic is a bonus and the Ariya is fully equipped but the least comfortable.
I might wait and see what the next quarter’s offerings look like. Any changes in prices and new offerings may provide the necessary motivation.
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It appears this is for North America, although it’d be incredibly handy here. The US is a long way behind us in terms of rolling out chargers so jumping on an existing infrastructure would be a lot cheaper than having to build your own.
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Well one things for certain, if I do go for the Mustang they won’t be getting a penny out of me. That saying I wasn’t really over impressed with it.
I haven’t sat in one, but the reviews aren’t great. There’s a red one that parks in our road often and it looks a lot smaller than I expected. More hatchback than SUV.
It’s surprisingly comfortable. For a SUV that looks like a sport hatchback (or an overweight sport car) the doors were the only ones I could get in without having to put much of a bend in my leg and the seats really were a huge amount better than anticipated.
The price (AP) isn’t appealing but the rest of the car really could be a great addition. For those who need accommodations within the car just to get in/out but aren’t quite ready to admit old age yet, this has the potential to suit nicely.
That said, I’d still prefer the Enyaq if it was better equipped, but the Ariya is better equipped but I felt like I was sat really high on top of the seats (as opposed to sitting in seats like the other two). At least there’s a choice of decent EVs now.
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Good news for Somerset. I’m struggling to get excited about a JLR gigafactory as there’s no chance I’m getting a Jaaag any time soon but it’s good news that something positive has happened, for a change.
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Thanks all. I wasn’t quite getting the full/mild bit but that all helps.
Can’t understand why you should be having a ‘rant’ at self charging vehicles. What’s not to like? I have a Toyota Corolla Touring Sport and really like it, for me it’s the best of both worlds. My average consumption is currently 58 miles to the gallon but that will go up even further now the warmer weather is here. As ridiculous as it sounds, I have had figures of over 300 MPG during a 8 mile run.
I would be fine if it wasn’t for Toyota’s advertising campaign trying to tell the world that anything with a plug is a mistake and self charging is the future. It clearly isn’t. To be fair (and I’m sure Kezo would back me on this) I’m pretty much live and let live. I believe that a BEV is perfect for me and my next car and all after will have a big battery in it. That doesn’t follow that I insist that all drivers should be looking to switch within the next months, more I acknowledge that there are instances where technology has a long way to go to meet the needs of some people, whether it’s range or the ability to charge at a reasonable price when home charging isn’t an option. It’s just that Toyota’s campaign really annoyed me, self charging is a fallacy it might have the capability to charge using energy it converts itself and there will be a opposite effect from that (absorbing energy into the battery takes it either from the propulsion system while you’re trying to go forward and therefore costs mpg or a form of regenerative braking, which beats heat loss, which is a more useful form of energy capture but isn’t highly efficient so will take miles to recoup the energy required for a few metres).
For me it’s about the distance you can drive without using the engine. If you’re supposed to be making the immediate surroundings more pleasant then not chucking out exhaust emissions is a good thing. A full hybrid that can run for half a mile can easily get you out of a multi-story carpark without gassing everyone else. A PHEV that can run 20 miles might be able to get you home without using the engine, that’s even better for those people you pass.
A Range Extended BEV will have all the weight of a PHEV but will power the wheels with motors rather than any form of combustion engine sourced mechanical power. The engine acts as a very large generator and either puts power into the battery or powers the motor. This has the benefit of running like a PHEV but with the characteristics of a BEV, ie full torque from the first second. Nissan’s E-Power is almost this theory in a MHEV variant, it’s battery is far to small (and there’s no plug) for it to run any great distance but the benefits of powering the wheels from an electrical motor and slowing using regeneration can still be used.
Thanks all, I’ve got it in my head exactly what the differences are now.
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The invoice is as a result of an implied contract. The argument is that you engaged with the contract by parking in their car park being already aware of the restrictions.
The obvious argument sits around how clearly the separation between the two parking areas is and how clearly you understand who you are engaging with. In simple terms, it can be argued that you did all that was necessary in ringing the required number. If the signage isn’t sufficiently clear for a ‘normal person’ to understand that this part of the car park is run by a different company, they’re on thin ice. They’ll say what they can to convince you to pay.
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With regards to BEV charging, for regular use if you have a drive, it’s easier than ICE. You plug in when you get home, if you have a charger you can then set the charging times and get on with your evening/night. In the morning you unplug and it’s ready to go.
I had a near 500 mile round trip a few weekends ago in an EV, I made one stop that wasn’t scheduled (bladder or food) and the car charged while we were eating/shopping/using the facilities and we could get going again. It’s much easier than a few years ago when cars had short range and needed charging every 80-100 miles. Now you can go further in the car than my bladder will allow.
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Good news in the press release, all Enyaqs to get battery pre heat from 24MY (September build onwards) Also new MIB 4 infotainment software Should also come to id4 and 5 I woukd guess https://skodamedia.com/en-gb/releases/1402
Whilst the platforms are the same, software will be individual, although probably based on a lot of common code. I wouldn’t read a software release in one VAG company as a suggestion the others will follow soon, it might be they’re already done, it might be that there’s a hitch with something they’ve already implemented differently that’s causing a headache or two.
pre heat is really good news, it’ll get charging speed nearer the advertised number each and every time, no need to get to a really low percentage and then yo-yo a bit to get the temperature right.
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@Kezo, mate I’m not so sure the size equals the ability to negotiate quite as much as we’d hope.
If I was running ‘Disable leasing Ltd’ a private company leasing cars, I could negotiate with nissan for 1000 Qashqais, 500 Tekna, 250 of the next one down and the rest of the other models. Because I’m buying 100 cars at once, I can negotiate on the basis of a guaranteed purchase. I then have to work to lease out 1000 cars as quickly as possible. All this can be done without physically having these cars. You, the customer, would come to me, order the car you want, I check my theoretical ‘stock’ to see if there’s still one left from the 1000 I bought that meets your colour/options and then it’s yours, just as soon as it’s bought. I might even buy 100 popular cars right now, then hit my network of brokers saying these cars are being built, sell them as available in 2 months.
Motability, however, negotiate on the basis that they pay the dealer a chunk of pocket change to sell a car and buy the car from the manufacturer at a discounted rate when/IF the car is purchased. No guaranteed numbers, just the promise that if a qualifying customer comes through and like your car, we’ll buy it on their behalf. There’s some educated guesswork that based on the model’s popularity in the whole market plus the number of orders they put through a month the likely sales value would be X units per month, so what discount would you give us? The biggest gain is that it’s a charitable cause, it’d be great to shift some hard to move units or get a new car seen quickly, the downside is that if the dealer network is shifting enough units, we are unlikely to get a look in.
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@wmcforum, Any new on whats happening with Volvo? They seem to have permanently vanished again.
The issues with the database appear to be fixed on the Search, if Volvo are to return they will be added over the next few days.
Thanks for the update, I’ll watch carefully.
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MFillungham, don’t forget the generous mileage allowance compared to other lease schemes. You comments are very true, perhaps tgat could be part of the reason that 60% of those on higher rate mobility don’t subscribe to the scheme? That and those who can’t afford the AP of course…
Of those getting higher rate PIP:
Some won’t be able to drive and won’t have a regular single or small group of drivers, therefore the scheme isn’t suitable.
Some will have cars of their own and prefer to keep that.
Some will be able to afford other finance routes or have the capability to outright purchase the cars they want.
Some will be in such a position that, even with the scheme, they can’t afford to run a car. These are the people that were doing ok (just) but are now really struggling financially with every penny they have as income going on just staying afloat (or not drowning completely), losing the mobility element of PIP is not a viable option.
Of those who could join the scheme, there are cars available with no AP, even the Nissan leaf if you insist on an electric car. Add in the ability to use the 750 New Car payment and there’s plenty of choice,having nothing to chose from just means adjusting your expectations.
For a few, there’s a requirement for very specific specifications from the car, which then pushes the AP beyond affordability. If they’re not working then the grants system can kick in and potentially help but if you’re low income then it’s more tricky and potentially unobtainable.
I’d guess (and that’s all it would be) that of those 60% most would be either not needing a car at all or using their own but there is another small element that I’m sure someone in Motability should be looking at who would benefit from having some form of transport but cant access the scheme.
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We can’t even get the Sportline Plus or a base model with a useful pack or two. There’s absolutely no chance of something like that or the VRS.
It does look a bit odd though. It’s a large SUV/Estate or SUV/Coupe (which is a style of car I can’t get my head around anyway), but with sporty and faster looks and power. That’s not quite what the rest of the range is about, even the VRS isn’t particularly quick.
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Not correct. Other lease companies, by the requirements of the Financial Servuces Authority have to do credit checks. Motability Operations are unique as they have dispensation from the Government
Not entirely true. If you regard the Motability leases in the same way as Salary sacrifice, then the credit check isn’t taken on any employee. The Check is around income (basically you have to earn more than minimum wage after your sacrifice) and the company rather than the individual. Also, in comparison, should the employee cease employment, then the car is returned.
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There are constant comparisons to other forms of payment. Against lease Motability looks really good except in a few highly discounted options. Remember when comparing Motability offers fully comprehensive insurance, complete repair and replacement (without the usual ‘wear and tear’ get outs) and replacement car should the repair take longer than a courtesy car be available for.
Against other forms of ownership, where you use a deposit and monthly payments (potentially with a final balance payment) you have the value of the car at the end of the process, that either pays for your next deposit or you can opt to own for longer at no extra cost. Again, insurance and repairs plus mobility when the car is unavailable will be your responsibility.
The benefit for those unable to work is huge. All of the above assumes great access to credit with A1 credit scores, reality for someone who isn’t working, potentially hasn’t worked in years, will be very different. The scheme offers the reliability of a brand new car to those who would be stuck either without (entirely) any vehicle or with something old and potentially in need of more repair/servicing. No credit checks to worry about, no income/expenditure problems just receipt of qualifying benefit for more than 12 months.
For those able to access all forms of purchasing/lease, there’s a choice, for the rest of us unable to access such levels of credit we have access to vehicles suitable for our needs potentially up to a value we’d never be looking at. I know myself I’d never be looking at a new car approaching £50k in value using some of the value of the car I have for the AP.
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