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How about this as it’s a sporty looking model which usually goes down well with youngsters. https://www.motability.co.uk/products/search/ford-fiesta-st-line-edition-686559?searchPageFilters=%26amp%3bResultsView%3dgrid%26amp%3bPageNumber%3d1%26amp%3bResultsPerPage%3d45%26amp%3bSortBy%3dadvpayLow%26amp%3bweb_rangemake%3dFord%26amp%3ballowance_type%3dpip%26amp%3bsubType%3d1%26&allowance_type=PIP&StartRow=1&EndRow=45
Boy, wouldn’t I have loved one of those at 18, especially if fully expensed! I had a Hillman Avenger that cost me £370, I used a sticky black substance to patch over the rust on the sills and used to run out of petrol due to fuel leaks. Those Fiesta’s are superb and if you can get a nice sporty one too then that must surely tick every box. God call Elliot.
The point I was trying to make, not very clearly is: He’s not in employment,doesn’t receive any means tested benefits and yet isn’t entitled to any help regarding AP’s . Which if i follow op advice means he should count himself lucky to get a car? So do you think others asking for help should feel the same. Many of the cars for under 25’s aren’t suitable for a 6ft 4 teenager with size 14 feet. Not to mention his disabilities.
Hi Joe. If your son has disabilities that render him unable to use a conventional car, then it would be advisable to discuss this with Motability who might be able to provide a grant. However, with all due respect, being 6ft 4 and having big feet doesn’t warrant assistance. He could still fit in a Ford Fiesta and the vast majority of small cars. I knew a guy who was that tall and always had a Fiesta with no problems. ‘Need’ and ‘want’ are very different things and I don’t think you will find a lot of sympathy on here if his demands relate to the latter. And yes, to answer your question, I would say the same to anyone else of any age. Everyone should cut their cloth according to their means and I don’t believe that anyone should get help with AP’s just because they want a ‘nicer’ car but can’t afford it. I think that’s morally wrong for those who have to pay their own AP’s in full. That’s why Motability provide a good range of cars at zero AP for those who cannot, or choose not to, pay an AP. I stress again, if his disabilities (not height) genuinely warrant a different type of car that’s different, and I wish you luck with a grant application, but I’m not sensing that’s the case here. It also sounds as though you could assist but don’t feel you should have to. In that case, why should Motability? Many of us support our kids financially through Uni and well beyond and it’s never too young to learn that you shouldn’t go through life expecting something for nothing. Sorry if that sounds a bit blunt, but you did ask for opinions and those are mine.
Farid : Make sure that the dealer shows you the colours available and choices of Options available. My dealer went at 100mph and did not even ask me if i wanted any options. He wanted me in and out as fast as possible, it could be due to covid or just thourght i was a motorbility customer, so not worth the time.
That approach would make me see red I’m afraid. I would stop the conversation in it’s tracks and ask to see the new car sales manager and insist that I deal with a sales person who treats us with respect. I pretty much did just that at a VW dealership once. Car salesman still get around £100 personal commission on each Motability sale, on top of the dealer commissions and the contribution that each Motability sale makes towards their new car registration targets (which are big bucks for them), so a few hours of good quality time is very little to ask for in return for all of that. My wife dies a death whenever something like that happens and I ‘go off on one’ but will always concede after the event that I was right to have done so and that we got a better outcome as a result!
My son has just been given enhanced mobility and is eligible for a vehicle. He’s 18 and in college. My wife is also on mobility and we are due to order a new car in the next 2 weeks. I’m not able to finance 2 vehicles and think my son being 18 should be exempt from my financial position. In applying for a grant for him it seems that I should be footing the bill, even though he has no income of his own. How can him being in education mean he can’t get any help with the AP towards a suitable car. I pay for our vehicle and have no issue with that at all.
There are plenty of shiny new cars with no AP and any 18 year old I know would be delighted with any of them, given that most run around in old bangers and pay thousands for insurance for the privilege! Perhaps I misunderstood your question and, if so, I apologise, but I think it would be unreasonable to expect a grant for something above zero AP, unless he has a disability that means that none of those cars are suitable for him. BTW, my kids are now 26 and 22 and both working, yet they still cost me a fortune ?
Hi Glos Guy, We actually have our test drive booked for tomorrow, a 1.5 auto, and I do like the look of the black edition so thats a no brainer. Apparently the cost to upgrade to full leather is an extra £250, so we may go for that. They also do an upgraded alloy wheel, for an extra £150, a design we really like. At first I bulked at the idea of paying an extra £1200 for the comfort and sound pack (especially as all these come standard on our other choice, the Volvo Xc40 inscription pro, with an AP of £1900). But I am coming round to the idea that for a car we will keep for 3 years its worth having for an extra 35 quid a month or whatever it works out to be. So with the leather, alloys and comfort and sound upgrade, we are looking at a total AP of £3750!!
Yes, that’s a nice spec. I would definitely add the Comfort & Sound Pack (couldn’t be without heated seats at this time of year) and the leather upgrade (although I thinks it’s artificial isn’t it)? I don’t like all black interiors, especially with black roof headlining (which I really dislike) so I would probably go for the grey leather to lighten it very slightly. I would also go for the extended ambient lighting package as it’s just £100 and might lift the otherwise drab interior with some nice highlights.
I’ve just gone through my current shortlist with my wife and of the 7 cars on the list the Audi Q3 appeals to her the most. I have warned her that I think the boot might be too small for her wheelchair and that I’m a bit concerned about the 1.5 litre engine, as we haven’t had anything less than 2.0 litres for decades! That being said, modern engines can surprise. With these two ‘concerns’ in mind I will be very interested to hear your feedback on your test drive, in particular if the engine feels adequate for rapid overtaking. I work on the basis that when you need to get past something, the least time spent on the wrong side of the road the better! Also, would you be kind enough to have a look at the boot space in the petrol version, as somebody posted that it’s less than in the diesel versions due to something to do with the mild hybrid gubbins that they use these days? Many thanks and enjoy the test drive.Thanks Gloss Guy, vinalspin, the more I thought about it the more I convinced myself that, if it didn’t fit, I would just get a new wheelchair for the wife. Maybe for her Christmas lol. We ordered the xc40 last quarter for an AP of £2,200ish plus £275 for the white paint and just seeing it again today just reminds of how much of a bargain it is.
Yes that’s a good price. Gone up around £800 now I think. Out of interest, why did you have to pay for the paint?
Vinalspin I’m at the dealer just now and it fits. Shopping will go on the back seat, as it does with the xc60. Unfortunately we don’t get to do much with my wife’s conditions so this was my only concern. The boot is small and if you store lots of stuff or go on regular holidays or outings it would be a concern. I’m a happy man at this point
Hi Brydo. I am so relieved and pleased for you. As a fellow ‘wheelchair pilot’ I could completely understand your concerns and anxieties and am delighted to hear that your wife’s chair fits. As the handles don’t fold on my wife’s chair, I suspect that we will have to rule the XC40 out as the boot in Vinalspins photo does look tiny, but undoubtedly it’s a good quality car and you are very familiar with the brand. What a relief. You can now relax and look forward to driving it!
Although I’m still surprised that heated seats aren’t standard on the Q3, I’ve just noticed that the option price of £1,195 for the Comfort & Sound Pack includes quite a bit of valuable kit and seems quite good value;
Bang & Olufsen 3D Sound System / Rear View Camera / Heated Front Seats / Front Parking Sensors / Cross Traffic Assist Rear
Glos Guy I have learned that the one certainty with motability is nothing is certain. I hope the Q3 is on for many years ahead, but I also know it could come off the scheme as quickly as it’s come on. I would recommend that anyone who can order just now should order as you may be left disappointed if you don’t. it’s just part of the motability lottery I’m afraid.
I agree that there’s no rhyme nor reason to Motability’s logic on many things and, as you say, cars come and go for no sensible reason at all. However, in the case of the Q3, which is a fairly new model (so not an end of run clear out) and has only come onto the scheme a few weeks ago, with more variants added just today, I would be absolutely amazed if it was removed just a few weeks later, which is all it is now until Q1. That being said, I should think that the best case scenario is that prices in Q1 would remain the same, so if the Q3 ticks every box for someone and is their dream car, and they can order now, then I agree it’s best to get the order in, perhaps with an option to change it in a few weeks time if a better spec model is added. All a bit cosmetic for us anyway, as we can’t order until the end of Q1 and I don’t think that the Q3 will end up ticking all our boxes, much as I’d like it to.
Another 6 models added,including the black edition.
Good spot Andy. Thanks for posting. Nice to see that a few more variants have been added, although a shame that they are all still fairly low powered engines, especially when you can get much more powerful BMW X1’s (the Q3’s direct competitor) on the scheme. I shall definitely be looking at the Q3 in the New Year (even though I fear the boot will be too small) but am still struggling to get my head around the fact that a premium car doesn’t have heated seats as standard in 2020!
As an update, I’ve just contacted Motability and things seem to have changed. I am now told that the GCB will NOT be paid until vehicles are handed back to the dealership. The GCB was being paid out on three years but now you have to wait until such a time as your new, replacement vehicle is ready to be handed over.
Apologies Mike – I think I might have misunderstood. Are you referring to the fact that Motability assisted people who had been relying on the GCB but couldn’t return their car due to lockdown, when sales departments in garages were mostly closed? If so, I guess it’s only reasonable that they remove that temporary assistance now that garages are open again. As I said previously, it makes no sense to me that GCB’s should be paid out whilst the driver still has the car and will do for some time. Perhaps it’s me, but I would think that would be tempting fate!
Yes, I’ve had condition checks done at MOT’s but only ever received the good condition bonus once the car has been returned and had its final end of lease hand back check.
As an update, I’ve just contacted Motability and things seem to have changed. I am now told that the GCB will NOT be paid until vehicles are handed back to the dealership. The GCB was being paid out on three years but now you have to wait until such a time as your new, replacement vehicle is ready to be handed over.
Is that really a change Mike? It seems illogical to me that Motability would ever pay out a GCB before you return the car. It’s quite normal for delays to new car orders to mean that you have your previous car for a little over the 3 years (even before Covid) but makes no sense that a GCB could be paid just because the arbitrary 3 months has been reached, as you may damage the car in the weeks or months between the 3 years and handing the car back. The car condition is assessed at the point you hand it back and not before and I thought that had always been the case?
It may well be me, but I am confused by the question and some of the answers ?. As far as I understand it, the bonus is £600 at the end of a 3 year lease and £900 at the end of a 5 year lease. You don’t get the bonus until the car is returned, whenever that might be. Obviously they can’t assess the condition before you have finished with it. If your new car turns up before your existing 3 year lease is up, you can’t pick up the new car until the end of your existing lease anyway, so as long as the car meets the criteria, your £600 will be sent after you return the car. If you agree to extend the lease to 5 years you still have the ability to order a new car at any time between years 3 and 5. You don’t have to keep it the full 5 years unless you want to. If you decide to order at such a time that your next car is available before your 5 years is up, my guess is that you can have it straight away but would get the £600 bonus rather than £900 as you haven’t gone the full 5 years but, as I say, that last comment is what I would think would happen whereas the other comments are factual. See link for more details;
https://www.motability.co.uk/your-lease/car/good-condition-bonus/
Interesting thing on the actual Motability price list on the actual VW web pages. https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/files/live/sites/vwuk/files/offers/Motability/motability-price-guide.pdf under new Tiguan, it’s showing 190bhp 4 motion models under Elegance and R line, with the AP being TBC, but they have Motability released VTN numbers. also under life there is a manual 150 BHP SCR also with TBA, wonder if tgese are being added Q1? Or did Motability take them off? Or, and this has happened before, they have been missed off Motability web site?
Yes, I highlighted this on another thread some weeks back. When the ‘face lifted‘ Tiguan first appeared on Motability, another member kindly posted prices for the 2.0TSi 4Motion DSG Elegance and R-Line. The Elegance (which was the one I was interested in, having discounted the R-Line due to the lack of kit versus the Elegance) was £2,499. The latest VW Motability price list that you posted the link to confirms that these two models will join the scheme but the 2.0TSi petrol engine versions aren’t out yet (you can’t configure them on the VW app), hence prices showing as TBA. As soon as this engine becomes available it looks as though it will appear on the scheme immediately. No idea of date but likely to be during Q1 I would think, if not on 1st Jan.
How likely is it for the Q3 to be removed in January-March? I’m thinking about waiting to see if the Sportback will be added in in January, but don’t want to risk it all..Any info on whether sportback is being added?
As the Audi Q3 only came on the scheme 5 days ago, I would be staggered beyond belief if it is removed at the start of Q1. It would be a lot of work for nothing. I should think it unlikely that the AP would change either. I wouldn’t be surprised if more variants of the regular Q3 appear in Q1 but, as for the Sportback, it’s anybodies guess. Dealers may have some idea but most car dealers are clueless about such things.
I’m going on Friday to see if it fits, fingers crossed.
Very sensible Brydo. The only way to know for sure as all wheelchairs are different. You need to be put out of your misery on this! I would be just as concerned as you. As the handles in your wife’s wheelchair fold, I think you have a far better chance than me.
I have heard there is to be a 2021 Hyundai i20 n 1.6 turbo dct for uk which i hope will become available on motability and even the Hyundai i30 n s dct which is not yet available on the scheme which is a great shame also the Hyundai Veloster coupe dct n s which is such a great looking car but alas the uk will not be available unless the uk buying public shows interest i am not a lover of the new suv cars as they look much alike and some disabled seem denied now in a sporty hatch that offers twin clutch semi auto i know that Renault in the clio does and seat and vw but the golf gti and polo gti dsg have never been on the scheme.
Do you know what the power output of the i20N would be? I believe that 200PS is the max Motability will allow (a few hybrids go just over). With the standard i20 being 100PS it might qualify from a power perspective,, but Motability tend not to offer many of the very sporty variants of cars (just the sporty looking ones). I guess that they consider that most disabled people would find them impractical, but that is a big assumption.
Gosh. That boot in the photo looks tiny and even smaller than I remembered when I looked at the XC40 when it first came out. Can’t imagine for one minute that my wife’s wheelchair would fit in that. Perhaps it’s just me, but I don’t trust a word that any car salesman who is on commission tells me. When we look at a car the first thing we do is get my wife into the passenger seat and then whilst she’s getting comfortable I try the wheelchair in the boot. If it doesn’t fit then I’m afraid that we look no further. It’s a pain as we eliminate a lot of nice cars very quickly. I like a nice big boot, not just for the wheelchair, but for tip runs and holiday luggage etc.
3 months is pretty standard. Very few manufacturers keep tons of speculative stock these days and if you want optional extras then they are almost always factory orders. Dealers can pull in cars from other dealerships, but will probably be less willing to do that for a Motability customer than a private customer, but worth asking. You do not have to have the car serviced at the supplying dealer and you return the car to the dealer that you get your next car from, even if it’s a different brand, so well worth travelling for a discount (we got our car from 70 miles away but saved £500 by doing so). We are 20 miles from a main dealer, but they collect and return the car from/to our house (almost all do), so distance from dealership shouldn’t be an issue either.
Gloss Guy I’ve read somewhere that the new x1 is due early 2022.
Thanks. The way things are going, with almost everything on our list having one drawback or another, we may be forced to extend the lease on our existing car, or even leave Motability and go the private route. Having run both Motability cars and private cars alongside each other for the last 10 years or so, until we retired when we only needed one car, the price difference isn’t as great as many would have you believe. And,,of course the only ‘price caps’ are those that you impose on yourself!
It really is worth checking very carefully, certainly don’t take the word of the salesman. We have had two Ford Kuga’s, when the new Kuga came out we took my wheelchair to check and it just does not fit. The space between the back seat and the sloping back window is just too short. Had to look for a different vehicle.
Oh dear. The Kuga is on our shortlist as well! So I now have a feeling that the Q3, XC40 and Kuga will all get eliminated due to the boot being too small for my wife’s wheelchair. I think if the next generation X1 was going to be out early next year we would have heard by now. I can see us getting yet another Tiguan by default as it is the only SUV that ticks all the boxes, other than desirability. At least we should be able to get the sprightly 190PS 4WD 2.0TSi Auto for a change, in ultra well equipped Elegance trim. Leather is about the only thing missing that we would like, but that’s not a show stopper in the same way that heated seats would be. Of course, I still haven’t ruled out that if we can shoehorn ourselves in and out of a 3 Series Touring, after years of SUV’s, then that ticks all boxes, including desirability! Roll on Q1 when we can see what’s available and go and look at them in the metal.
Audi Q3 35 S-tronic TFSi Mild Hybrid. The Auto (S-tronic) version of the 1.5 petrol is fitted with a Mild Hybrid system. The battery and convertor are housed in the boot and it means you can’t lower the floor so the boot size drops from 530 to 410 litres. This is about the Q3 Sportback but applies to the latest Q3 too: https://www.audi-technology-portal.de/en/drivetrain/engine-efficiency-technologies/audi-q3-sportback-with-48v-mhev
Thanks for that. Unfortunately that would probably rule it out for us as a boot of that size would be far too small.
Zoe that’s bad news. Glos Guy the wife’s wheelchairs handles food down and the feet come off. It fits into our xc60 with no problems with at least six inches to spare length wise. I contacted the motability salesman tonight and he said most of the wheelchairs fit but it was my responsibility to check it. I then reminded him that he told us not to touch any buttons or go into any other part of the due to COVID. It just shows how they can turn anything to their advantage. I will really need to go over and physically check it just to be sure.
The XC40 is obviously a lot smaller than the XC60 as you know. If the handles on the chair fold, I suspect that you will be OK, as that makes a big difference. My wife wasn’t with me when I looked at the XC40 and when I looked in the boot my initial impression was that it looked very small and the opening looked quite narrow and I must confess that my initial impression was that it would be too small for us, but I’m not ruling it out until we try it for size properly. The folding handles on your wife’s chair will probably mean that you can overcome the width issue, but moveable rear seats are a life saver. If you have them then it’s almost certain that you will find a way to get the chair in. Power tailgates are fantastic when you are in and out of the boot regularly, but they are a bit sensitive and if the chair is on the outer edge of the boot it can sometimes cause the sensor to react, whereas when you close a boot manually you can slam it and in doing so nudge the chair forward a tiny fraction.
I wouldn’t worry. I suspect you will be OK. However, if I were you I would do the following. On the day that you go to collect the car, before you enter your PIN number go and try the wheelchair in the boot. If it doesn’t fit, even with adjustments, tell the dealer that you are unable to accept the car and need to speak to Motability. Keep hold of your XC60 and call them. If you explain that due to the pandemic you were unable to test the car thoroughly, but were assured that the wheelchair would fit, I would put money on the fact that they will let you reject the car and order a new one. Whilst I am often critical of Motability for their illogical AP’s, unnecessary and illogical price caps etc their customer service is superb. I called them years ago and said that my wife was getting concerned that her legs were weakening and she thought she was getting to the point where she might need hand controls. I asked if they could be fitted to our existing car, as it still had more than a year to run, but without hesitation they let us order a new car with no penalty.
As I say, I think that you will be OK, but I hope that the above gives you some reassurance.
OMG. I read erotica in place of exotica. I was really worried until I watched the video.
So let me get this right wmcforum. You thought it said ‘erotica’ and therefore went straight to the video? All is revealed (or maybe not, in this case) ?
