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What’s interesting is that people who actually own EVs are usually far more positive about them than people who haven’t driven one much. Quiet driving, instant torque, low running costs, home charging convenience. Those things are hard to appreciate until you experience them regularly
It just strikes me completely off especially in this forum given people would have disabilities and I find EVs are far better from a disability point of view. Home charging means thats much better plus I get much more independence being a wheelchair user as refueling a ICE car I relied on someone refueling it for me.
I can only imagine, but I am sure it’s hard to drive past a fuel station at the moment without passing comment and having a little chuckle.
Also. As a forum where all members are touched by disability. It is important to respect other people’s choices and opinions.
Oh I understand peoples choices and respect them but ive seen people completely berate evs on here. I understand theyll be cases where an ICE or hybrid car makes more sense.
I don’t think there is much in the way of hate, rather when the infrastructure needs to b changed or your house characteristics are not your average setup, only worsened by incomplete advise from Ohme.
Its worth remembering, not everyone has an easy outcome and I’m sure mindsets would change, if they had a £10 inprinted concrete driveway and found their supply needed to be changed (unlooped/upgraded), because this type of driveway will never ever go back to as new and would stick out like a sore thumb.
I’m currently looking at buying a car and not one on my list is an EV, primarily for 2 reasons 1) regen/one pedal makes me feel like I’m on a boat and I don’t like boats and 2) Frequently driving my mums Kona, Its a choice of road, tyre noise or an engine and considering I’m looking at a V6 or possibly a V8, I’d personaly prefer to listen to the burbles of such.
Remember, it’s not personal, it’s just peoples opinion and as you have said, people have to get a car that works for them regardless of the power unit.
@kezo don’t V8’s remind you of boats, gurgling and spluttering at the dockside?!! I don’t like the one pedal driving either. It means you always have to have the throttle depressed which I find ball aching.Skoda Enyaq Race Blue
I frequently use a Tesla model 3 dual motor for work to go to London. Once the initial, “oooo this goes a bit” wears off, it’s an incredibly dull car. There is no challenge to it, no character it just does what it does. Add the fact that it cannot get past Swindon from J49 of the M4 without needing to charge at a 70 -75 motorway speed……Not for me thanks. I don’t understand all this sitting at 55mph or less on a motorway a lot of ev’s I see doing..
I also have a 10 plate Alfa Mito which is small, nimble, full of character, and puts a smile on your face. The world is a better place in it.
I don’t have my own drive so ev’s are a no no for me and I value my time more than sitting at a publilc charger but respect that they work for a lot of people. Our MB Austral suits my needs but even that is a bit dull compared to the Alfa. Modern cars are just bland now.
@kezo don’t V8’s remind you of boats, gurgling and spluttering at the dockside?!! I don’t like the one pedal driving either. It means you always have to have the throttle depressed which I find ball aching.
Yes, but luckily I’m not standing on the boat or I’d be sick😂
I agree its not personal – everyone is different and has to get a car for their needs.
I guess thats where our views differentiate as I see the less challenge in driving the better. Probably because even with hand controls it takes it out on my joints, so i value better self driving systems more.
I will say ive never had any issues with long journeys going at 70 mph even in my old base ID.4 and I guess I ddint see any issues stopping to charge as I wouldve anyway.
But I will agree on the driveway one, without a driveway id argue it isnt worth it from a price perspective.
I don’t have any evidence about this but I have a hunch because I have driven over 50,000 miles per year from 1998 until 2005 and what I have noticed in that time and now is there are far less bugs and insects around now than then I blame Monsanto and round up and the genetically modified crops to improve yields has decimated our insects and the amount of potholes on our roads which I attribute to the electric car and food delivery vehicles.
Electric cars are far heavier and have firmer sidewalks on the tyres and have much more torque than a lighter softer side walled tyres petrol car and the elevated is in part responsible for the churning up of the roads evidenced by the rippling of the road surface.
i would like to think that the government have done some car vs tarmac testing to prove / disprove but as the cars can update over the air and the torque settings can be adjusted without the driver knowing it would be pretty pointless
it’s not too far fetched for Chinese cars to have the torque turned to do this specially but who knows it would certainly help flog aggregates and road building equipment
but in order to create a balanced view I respect the guy view and look forward to an electric car however without my own drive I would have to pay more for less more to charge it and less miles per charge than petrol if I could charge cheaply I would have one but the faff of signing up to all the different providers and the different layouts of each charging station is putting me off
pull up to petrol station select nozzle pump and go vs complicated expensive charging station with half hour wait
Ive seen a few posts and comments on here with people hating on EVs and I really dont understand it. Having owned / been in various evs ive had a far better and enjoyable time in them than any ICE cars.
I take it you’re new to the EV concept. I used to drive to Newcastle (yes, my other side are Geordies:) and I even worked there) in Nissan Leaf 2 gen. It was free to charge, but 5 (five) stops 40 minutes each to make 310 miles trip in a winter and I think was same 5 stops but shorter in a summer.
It is only 2 much shorter stops with Enyaq 85x SportLine I have nowadays, but still.
Beyond that, for someone who has charging point at home and 95% charges at home, EV would be no brainer for most. If you need to charge using public chargers, do your maths: it’ll be more expensive per mile than ICE or plug in
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)Just completed 750 mile trip
cost £72 including £10.5 ionity subscription
set off at 100%
time charging 94 minutes, which sounds more than it felt .2 x 30 minute charges with a toilet break and a drink and a couple of short ones to stretch and a quick top up.
Arrive home with about 40 % battery.
dont think it compares too bad with a ice. not many people are going to drive nearly 400 mile in one go.
There is nothing to hate with an ev, it is the future.
ICE is on the downward spiral, in a handful of years petrol stations will be where ev charging was 5 years ago. Its a finite timeline.
There is no discussion. Except maybe if we discuss what Chinese car we will be driving and how our chinese language skills are progressing!
There is nothing to hate with an ev, it is the future. ICE is on the downward spiral, in a handful of years petrol stations will be where ev charging was 5 years ago. It’s a finite timeline. There is no discussion. Except maybe if we discuss what Chinese car we will be driving and how our chinese language skills are progressing!
i agree I’m 60 now and i have to admit i live in the 70s and 80s but i accept that petrol has had its day
Kezo and Dumfries if you turn regen off the EV becomes as smooth as any ICE. I ditched it a long time ago as I believe coasting is more economical. Although I’m now an expert at using the paddles to keep speed down on big long downhill drives lol
Alfa all the EVs on our roads are 70-80, I’m a 77 as I find it’s ok, 80+ really does hammer the range tbh. I had a 147 sport wagon many moons ago was a great looking car inside and out, even had its own paddling pool in the front foot well. Then the timing belt went FS and that was that.
Having just a couple of months ago having got a hybrid I‘ m getting the best of both Worlds, 600 mile range and last fill up was £70.01p even at today’s prices.
Not sure where the argument for EV’s being better for the disabled comes from, I know were all different but the thought of struggling with charging cables could give me nightmares. I’m happy with near on a 600 miles range and only visiting a petrol station once every other month with that small nozzle going into a big hole that’s very easy to use when I have to.
There is no hate towards EV’s, who cares what makes the wheels go around but what people don’t like is being told by government what to drive, what to eat and when were allowed to go out as this government along with previous government are about to find out.
Personally I think the EV market would be much bigger than it is now if only we were enticed into EV’s and not ordered into them.
In my case, home charging as a wheelchair user is far easier, plus generally evs have better tech and are lower maintenance. Plus in my case, i have issues round ICE cars in terms of migraines from fuel so theres the added benefit there too.
@shaan200 I’m lost mate, as to why EV’s in particular, would have better tech and better self driving systems?
I agree, they are easier to maintain, but not necessarily any cheaper to do so however, this is irrelevant.
Carging at home is cheap, but if you don’t have off street parking, the opposite is true. You said, you needed help to refuel at petrol stations, which is understandable and has been part of the service atpetrol stations for as long, as I remember however, this luxury is not afforded to publi EV charging yet. So, as I understand it, you don’t go outside the EV’s range and therefore don’t use public charging?
Generally the tech is just better because EVs are built as digital platforms from the start. An electric motor can be controlled with way more precision than a regular ICE engine or a hybrid gearbox, which is why they are much more suited for self driving and safety systems. A computer can make adjustments to the motor in milliseconds which you just can’t get with a mechanical engine.
Living in the middle of the country with a driveway makes it a no brainer for me. My old cars had about 200 miles of range and it’s very rare that I’d ever need to go over that in one go. On the odd occasion I do go further my partner who is also my carer is with me to help anyway. It just gives me my independence back. However as I mentioned elsewhere without a driveway an EV is less sensible of a choice and wouldnt be an option for me.
Having just a couple of months ago having got a hybrid I‘ m getting the best of both Worlds, 600 mile range and last fill up was £70.01p even at today’s prices. Not sure where the argument for EV’s being better for the disabled comes from, I know we’re all different but the thought of struggling with charging cables could give me nightmares. I’m happy with near on a 600 miles range and only visiting a petrol station once every other month with that small nozzle going into a big hole that’s very easy to use when I have to. There is no hate towards EV’s, who cares what makes the wheels go around but what people don’t like is being told by government what to drive, what to eat and when were allowed to go out as this government along with previous government are about to find out. Personally I think the EV market would be much bigger than it is now if only we were enticed into EV’s and not ordered into them.
Chris when I fill up my chr hybrid my range is 600 miles costs £60 fill up in 5 mins however that 600 miles would be £10 in a lot of evs
Another issue, I experienced, was as a Spina Bifida Paraplegic permanent manual wheelchair user who drove for 48 years using hand controls, I was delighted to order a Hyundai IONIQ 6. However unfortunately I took a Stroke and Seizure’s, while the car arrived and was getting the hand controls fitted. I had to therefor cancel the order.
8 month later when I was ready to reorder, but without the hand controls and now with a people hoist, I was told by the company who was supplying and fitting the hoist that I could not get it fitted to an EV with a floor battery, as in the IONIQ 6, as the people hoist had to be fitted through the car floor and I subsequently ordered a Skoda Superb auto diesel estate instead, which was only on Motability’s list for about six weeks and has never been seen since.
So as everybody’s disabled circumstances and needs are different, it is not always simply down to a matter of choice, but can be dictated to by their disability needs.
In my case, home charging as a wheelchair user is far easier, plus generally evs have better tech and are lower maintenance. Plus in my case, i have issues round ICE cars in terms of migraines from fuel so theres the added benefit there too.
I was the same when younger, a whiff of petrol would sometimes trigger a migraine, out of action for 3 days in a black out room.
It wouldnt happen all the time, just occasionally. Another trigger was the stink of “Impulse” what older women used to cover up the stink of piss. That was awful.
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