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Hi all, whilst waiting for my first EV, Im still researching using one.
Ive travelled to Anglesey this week from Manchester, 105 miles, in my present Niro hybrid I got 70 mpg, so it’s cost£10 to get here. I run round all week here and do another 150 miles. So an EV would need charging to get home.
Where Im staying has an EV charger , it’s a Voltshare and charges 66p per Kw. I would need 35 Kw to get home( assuming 3 miles per Kw) so £23.
Thats more than twice as expensive as hybrid. It’s a journey I make 6 times a year. Fortunately, most of my other mileage is nearer home and I would be charging at 7p on Octopus.
Anyone regularly charging away from home would be out of pocket with an EV.
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The cost of charging away from home varies hugely.
The big sites with ultra rapid chargers are between 79p and 85p per kWh.
The Tesla ones open to non Teslas are usually the cheapest at around 55p, less if you pay a subscription.
The point is, as has been discussed many times on here, if you use mainly public charging, a diesel or petrol car will be cheaper to run.
If you charge at home the majority of the time, with occasional public charging, it’s a no brainer, electric is far cheaper.
My BMW i4 costs around 1.8p per mile to run, a bit more in the cold winter months (2.5p).
So, when I’m on holiday and have to use public chargers, I don’t worry, because amalgamated over the year, the cost is still ridiculously cheap.
If you’re doing your 6 longer trips to Anglesey every year plus a few others, it will still work out much cheaper than your Niro on average over the year.
It’s a while since I crunched the numbers, but the point at which electricity stopped being cheaper than a petrol or diesel car doing around 40 MPG was at 43p per kWh.
That crossover point would be somewhat lower for your Niro doing 70 MPG on that journey, but it’s all about averages.
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You will be hard-pressed to get 3 m/kWh. Do you spank it everywhere you go?? Your presumption is for a self-fulfilling argument.
Your total journey is 360 miles. And at 70mpg thats 24 litres of fuel at £1.35 is a total of £32.40.
An EV at 4miles/kWh would cost you 250 miles (full 100% range) at 7p/kWh = £4.40 PLUS 110 miles at 66p/kWh = £18.15. A total cost of the journey is £4.40+£18.15 = £22.55.
So ten quid cheaper by EV, right?
Enjoy!!
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@Wonky how many miles do you do on average a month locally?
Hi Kezo, I only do 500 miles a month max. Then these 6 trips to Anglesey, where I would have to put 35 Kw in to get me home, at 66p, so £23.
This Niro hybrid Ive been running has been great, just too Painful to get in and out of now, otherwise I’d get another. However, as we’ve seen hybrids are dearer than EVs.
We are definitely being pushed into EVs without any real study of cost if charging away from home.
Thanks Kezo, regards, wonky
Hi Kezo, I only do 500 miles a month max. Then these 6 trips to Anglesey, where I would have to put 35 Kw in to get me home, at 66p, so £23. This Niro hybrid Ive been running has been great, just too Painful to get in and out of now, otherwise I’d get another. However, as we’ve seen hybrids are dearer than EVs. We are definitely being pushed into EVs without any real study of cost if charging away from home. Thanks Kezo, regards, wonky
I don’t believe we are being pushed into EV’s manufactures are offering Motability good discount which is reflected in the AP, there are still some reasonably priced AP hybrids on the scheme at present, its up to you if you chose or able to take advantage of the EV’s lower AP.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Hi Kezo, I only do 500 miles a month max. Then these 6 trips to Anglesey, where I would have to put 35 Kw in to get me home, at 66p, so £23. This Niro hybrid Ive been running has been great, just too Painful to get in and out of now, otherwise I’d get another. However, as we’ve seen hybrids are dearer than EVs. We are definitely being pushed into EVs without any real study of cost if charging away from home. Thanks Kezo, regards, wonky
Lets stick to 3mpkWh as a worst case, which will require 166.6kW of offpeak electricity over a month to travel 500 miles.
166.6 x £0.07 = £11.66
To do the same 500 miles a month in the Niro assuming best case scenario on all roads of 70mpg based on £6.13 gallon (£135l)
500 miles / 70mpg = 7.1gallon x £6.13 = £43.30
Each month locally you will be saving at least (£43.30-£11.66) £31.65, which will more than cover the £23 it costs you to return from Anglesey 6 times a year. The months you don’t go you will be quids in!
Now lets look at Anglesey in isolation 360 miles total:
In your Niro based on 70mpg, you will need 5.1gallons to cover the journey there and back including running around.
5.1 gallons x £6.13gallon = £31.52 for the whole trip.
In the Elroq, you would charge to 100% the night before you left at a cost of £5.39 (77 x £0.07). Based on worst case 3mpkWh that would get you 3 x 77 = 231 miles, leaving you 129 miles short and a realist charge to 150 miles to get you home 150 miles / 3mpkWh = 30kw x £0.66 = £19.80
£5.39 + £19.80 = £25.19
That works out roughly £6 saving at an absolute minimum based on 3mpkWh compared to the Niro
Based on these calculations, you will have positive savings on local driving and trips to Anglesey will work out no more expensive than in your Niro and likely cheaper by a fiver or so.
You also need to take into account the savings on AP if any compared to going hybrid.
I disagree, you just have to do your research first to see if an EV is right for your circumstances.
Looking at your 500 miles per month:
Your Niro probably averages around 55 MPG when not going to Anglesey, 500/55 x (1.32×4.546) is £54.55 per month.
Charging at 7p per kWh assuming 3.5 miles per kWh:
500/3.5 x £0.07 is £10 per month
Even at 3 miles per kWh it’s £11.67 per month.
DumfriesDik has already worked out that your Anglesey trips save you £10 in an EV, even taking into account the 66p per kWh charger.
As a final thought, you’d have to be paying 38p per kWh each and every time you charge, for the EV to work out the same cost as the Niro to run.
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Similar thought process but I’ve gone with a 55 MPG average for the Niro around town and local journeys.
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2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-TronicKezo, our answers overlapped! Similar thought process but I’ve gone with a 55 MPG average for the Niro around town and local journeys.
Lol
Intentionally chose 70mpg as best case scenario, just to prove EV at worst case scenario was still cheaper 🙂
Kezo, our answers overlapped! Similar thought process but I’ve gone with a 55 MPG average for the Niro around town and local journeys.
Lol Intentionally chose 70mpg as best case scenario, just to prove EV at worst case scenario was still cheaper 🙂
Yep, absolutely 😆
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2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-TronicYep, absolutely
…. and I’m called mr Anti EV 🤣
assuming 3 miles per Kw
You will be hard-pressed to get 3 m/kWh. Do you spank it everywhere you go??
I’d love to get 3 m/kWh, currently only getting about 2.0 but I put it into Eco mode and reset it and it’s up to 2.1 m/kWh now…
It’s a Lexus UX300e Takumi, lovely to drive, effortless, it’s the first car I’ve had that makes me want to drive slowly, It’s like driving a Hamlet advert, plus it’s way too heavy to put your foot down, we can’t get a home charger so have to use public chargers at around 75p per kw, it takes around 3 hours to charge with a fast charger so have to get a lift to the nearest one that’s not full of DPD vans and leave it there, It’s CHAdeMO so options are limited.
It’s the best worst car we ever had lol
Got my EX30 on the 7th of Feb, I’ve just done over 1000 miles in it now. Driving exactly how I would an ice car. I have used 326 kwh home charging at 6.7p so far, and its cost me £22.16.
My average is 32.3 kwh/100mi. So just over 3 miles per kwh. I also precondition, when needed using the cars traction battery as it’s the cheapest option. So all in all, potentially in the worst case scenario, as I got my car in winter, 978 miles for £22.16.
Lets say £11.18 a month to do almost 500 miles, multiply by 36 over the term of the lease and it costs £402.48 for 18,000 miles. I’ll get better when its warmer but lets base it on the worst case, in winter.
I just did a trip to North London, down the M1 via my brothers in Hemel and then back home. Mostly on the motorway with the pilot set at 70mph occasionally up to 75mph. I left with 100% SOC.
I stopped at Tesla ota twice at Luton both at peak time the price was 56p a kwh, for a total of 29 mins and added 25.3680 kwh (up to 80%) on the way down and it took 20 mins, as I arrived with around 40%.
Then on the way back I added another 13.4250kwh at 56p to get me home with 10% SOC and it was 112 miles home from there.
My car has a 64kwh useable battery so 10% is 6.4kwh. So 56.6kwh x 6.7p kwh is £3.7922. Two charging stops cost £14.20 & £7.51, so the whole trip cost me £25.50. Total distance over whole trip was 292 miles, so 8.7p a mile.
Total cost away from home was £21.71, as the other is included in home charging costs. If I used tesla off peak it would be cheaper or used a subscription.
I prefer to charge before arrival, so I arrive with as much as possible, but on other trips, I may use Ionity with a subscription it depends which is the most cost effective and on route.
I get this always isn’t possible, but I used to live in Bangor, so I’d personally stop at flint charge up to 80% and charge enough to get me back there locally for my return, if needed.
I also get not everyone can and not all chargers are as assessable as others for scheme users with different conditions, certainly the Luton superchargers might be an issue for some.
Now say I do that trip say 6 times a year it will cost me £130.26 in away from home charging costs, so over the full lease £390.78 + £402.48 (home charging) that’s £793.26 over 3 years on fuel.
I know it did cost about £60 a tank to fill up my Vitara even once a month is £720 a year.
So I’d say I was paying that at least a year with the Ice Mild hybrid, I had before the BEV.
So it works for me over the whole lease not just one journey, which is exactly how I look at it.
Plus now as charging at home is so cheap, I can afford to go out more, within the range of the car.
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I’d love to get 3 m/kWh, currently only getting about 2.0
Cor blimey, that’s enough to put me right off an EV!
Going back to the cost of a journey. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the cost of lunch/dinner whilst you’re charging!!
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Going back to the cost of a journey. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the cost of lunch/dinner whilst you’re charging!!
Along with the cost of bigger clothes due to all the fast food consumed 🤣
Along with the cost of bigger clothes due to all the fast food consumed 🤣
HAHAHA
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it takes around 3 hours to charge with a fast charger so have to get a lift to the nearest one that’s not full of DPD vans and leave it there, It’s CHAdeMO so options are limited. It’s the best worst car we ever had lol
50kw DC max speed for me is just not viable, even though I can charge at home.
My car has a 64kwh useable an a max speed of 158kw although you only get the max for a little window and it drops off, the fuller the battery gets. So I see no point charging past 80% on rapid chargers.
I’ve not actual arrived at a public charger yet under 30%. So the most I’ve seen it hit is 133kw and the longest I’ve stopped at any one charger is 20mins. 3hrs is crazy. I guess if I used 22kw AC, it would take that long to charge the full 64kw battery but that would be at a destination.
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Do any public chargers offer cheap night time charging?
Yes some do, Instavolt via there app is now only 54p from 8pm till 7am and my local Tesla ota from 00.00 to 4am is £0.29/kwh without a sub or £0.22 with one. Not all are that cheap though. Osprey if you use electroverse 7 pm till 11 pm you get 20% off. Sure there others but they ones I have noticed.
Ionity will the top sub is only 43p anytime
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