VW REMOVING ID3 ID4 AND ALL TIGUAN

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    Ronz UK

    Just had this from VW:

     

    Update 24 November 2021: all derivatives of ID.3, ID.4 and Tiguan will be removed from the Motability scheme from Tuesday 30 November 2021 at 5pm, due to high levels of orders.

    We want to give you as much notice as possible for you to close down all open enquiries, get orders onto SLI and applications on the Motability portal by the end of 30 November at 5pm..

    I have just got this news and contacted Motability to see if there was anything could do to get this ordered prior to your renewal date, they quoted the below to me.

    Sadly customers cannot order a replacement vehicle prior to their renewal date as they are not in the 3 month renewal period as per your terms and conditions.

     

    Im 10 days out and Motability won’t let me order early…

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    YorkMan
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    I don’t understand why VW reduced the AP on motability so much if there was a problem with demand, they must have known in October (as customers where already waiting longer than usual for their VW) when they slashed £3,000 off the AP  Tour Pro S which I thought was one of the best deals on motability plus the zero AP for a basic ID3 and a few hundred AP for higher specs.

    I know as a lease option these cars are flying and lease companies are ordering thousands – and I believe they get priority over private buyers as well (you get your ID3 quicker if you lease it whereas if you buy it privately you wait an extra 3-4 months).

    I would hope in 6-9 months they will return, in the meantime it will be interesting to see how Hyundai and Kia react, if they are able to keep up their supply then they could gain quite a substantial part of the market.

    I would phone motability back and continue to phone them to try and get them to understand and if needs be ask to speak to someone higher up.

    #170030 Reply
    Ian

    Hi Brydo I am not expert but high levels of contributions into salary sacrifice schemes could reduce your pension.

    Using salary sacrifice means that the employee and the employer pay less National Insurance contributions. Employers may decide to maximise the amount of pension contributions by adding the savings they make in lower employer National Insurance contributions to the total pension contribution amount they pay.

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    Brydo
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    Thanks Ian i will have a look into that.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
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    #170040 Reply
    Brydo
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    The fleet sector is moving from a manufacturer-enforced push market focused on major discounts and low prices to a demand-led pull market as supply shortages enable carmakers to press the reset button on the sales strategies.

    Fleet operators are already reporting that discounts are drying up as quickly as lead times are extending, while in some case P11D prices are rising. However, strong residual values are helping to even out the leasing costs.

    Paul Hyne, chief commercial officer at Arval UK, believes this will be the landscape for the next couple of years while new vehicles are in short supply.

    “We won’t see as many short-term price offers so we can be more consistent with our offers in the market,” he said. “This will also help with the transition to electric.”

    Push markets tend to become very consumer orientated, driving personal contract hire business via brokers and often unsettling residuals, although the low price does result in competitive offers.

    “Without the price pressure that drives the monthly headline rate, we are able to be more pragmatic and build a proper full service leasing proposition,” Hyne said.

    Corporate leasing rates are also becoming more competitive as companies enter into lower mileage contracts due to the reduction in business and personal mileage during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    “On average, at least 50% of the orders we are seeing today have reduced contracted mileage,” Hyne said. “It was 36 months, 60,000 miles; now it’s 36 months, 30,000-45,000 miles. It’s also been facilitated by electric vehicles and salary sacrifice – we’re getting closer to PCH mileage then BCH.”

    Three years remains the standard length of contract at Arval; however, Hyne predicts cycle changes for electric vans.

    “Fewer moving parts means lower maintenance costs and better reliability so we expect to see longer contracts – five, seven, nine, even 12 years won’t be unheard of in the future,” he said. “We have to have a flexible risk policy to cater for these changing needs.”

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
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    Not me real name I hope

    <p style=”text-align: right;”>Or you could just go to a website called Fleet news and read this article yourselves</p>
    Here is the link then you get the whole website to look at too

     

    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/leasing-news/2021/11/25/from-push-to-pull-supply-shortages-boost-leasing-proposition

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    Not me real name I hope

    If someone has gone to the trouble if writing an article at least acknowledge it/ them otherwise its just plain old plagiarism which is lazy and doesn’t make you look very clever

    #170043 Reply
    Brydo
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    Sorry “Not me real name I hope”  I added this to my signature a couple of years ago “Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.” please be assured that all the lengthy articles i post are by someone else. I add these articles to inform and entertain all members and i do not intend passing them off as my own. I post so many pieces that adding the details of where they are from and who wrote them takes up more time than i am willing to give. Where i can though i will, if you look at my “whats motabilities position on Chinese made cars” almost all of the posts are screenshots of the entire article.

    So once again all of the lengthy articles i post are not mine they are just cut and pasted from a number of online magazines freely available on the web.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
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    Fastbike1000
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    What gets me is why lower the ap for the id3, which makes it a very good choice if you are in the market for a EV, for a month or so, then remove it.

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    Glos Guy
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    What gets me is why lower the ap for the id3, which makes it a very good choice if you are in the market for a EV, for a month or so, then remove it.

    Odd isn’t it. This is why I’m not 100% convinced that the cull is entirely down to the chip shortage, because the issues facing most manufacturers have been the same for many months now.

    #170061 Reply
    Tim

    I’m hoping Motability have something drastic planned for Q1 22.

    #170062 Reply
    Lord muc

    An example of a salary sacrifice scheme, for the NHS, no wonder their is a shortage of cars.

     

    #170064 Reply
    Glos Guy
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    Thanks for sharing that Lord Muc. That’s an incredible scheme. Interesting that you can have “any car”, obviously at a cost. That’s what I was used to in my company car days and why I’ve never understood the price caps on Motability.  I don’t understand how it includes Company Car Tax, as that’s a personal tax liability, but they’ve obviously found a work around. Of course, that’s on top of a gold plated pension scheme.

    Having previously employed a lot of NHS staff, I can never understand how the public fall for the ‘poverty’ claim. Yes, they do a great job that most people wouldn’t want to do, but most are very well paid (including nurses) and have fantastic benefits packages. Care workers are another matter altogether. Most are on the minimum wage (or thereabouts) and, working for private companies, don’t have any of the benefits on top.

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    ChrisK
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    I wonder just how much this scheme is know of by NHS staff.

    My daughter has worked for the NHS as a nurse for 10 plus years in the local oncology hospital and the pass 3 years in the community.

    She uses her own car but gets a mileage allowance and after seeing a mention of the NHS scheme a few times before in this forum I asked her if she had ever heard of it given the wear and tear her personal car gets in endless city traffic day in day out spending as much time travelling between patients than attending patients and she said she had never heard of it.

     

     

     

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    Rene
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    What gets me is why lower the ap for the id3, which makes it a very good choice if you are in the market for a EV, for a month or so, then remove it.

    Odd isn’t it. This is why I’m not 100% convinced that the cull is entirely down to the chip shortage, because the issues facing most manufacturers have been the same for many months now.

    I’m not sure, but i can recall quite a few cars removed from the scheme. Also, it’s a fluid situation – the chip shortage directly relates to order numbers. The more orders, the more the shortage gets exacerbated.

    The reason the ID3 got such a low AP is simple (much like the Kona) – car manufacturers heavily profit from selling EVs. I don’t entirely understand why the ID4 gets removed, since i can’t imagine it being a great selling car (i might be wrong, but i really doubt it).

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    struth
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    yeah they have quotas to meet with % of electric sales so pop it onto motability for a few weeks and other places like leasers and swing it around so they can sell more ice vehicles again without penalty, even if the evs are not currently supplied.

    #170081 Reply
    Lord muc

    Chris,

    500 Nissan leafs ordered here.

    #170082 Reply
    Lord muc

    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Rene,</p>
    The id4 makes a great luxury taxi, seen many used in the centre of London.

    #170115 Reply
    Daf

    “Having previously employed a lot of NHS staff, I can never understand how the public fall for the ‘poverty’ claim. Yes, they do a great job that most people wouldn’t want to do, but most are very well paid (including nurses) and have fantastic benefits packages”

    Glos Guy I disagree with your conclusions above. I’d be interested to know why if it’s so well remunerated there are 98000 unfilled vacancies?

     

     

     

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    Glos Guy
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    I’d be interested to know why if it’s so well remunerated there are 98000 unfilled vacancies?

    There are over 1 million job vacancies in the U.K. at present and the NHS is a major employer (1.2 million employees) so I’m not surprised at that figure. They are also jobs that require a lot of training, so difficult to recruit in a hurry. To take just one example – GP’s. It’s no wonder that there’s a shortage when 9 out of 10 of them work part time!

    #170161 Reply
    Daf

    Your right about vacancies but that has been a recent phenomenon, linked to Brexit among other issues. However vacancies in the NHS are  endemic and in the past the stop gap was nurses from the Philippines etc.

    The lowest pay band for a nurse is just £20000 and many auxiliary staff are on less. Without excessive overtime their remuneration, given what their responsibilities are, is not generous.

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    Glos Guy
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    Your right about vacancies but that has been a recent phenomenon, linked to Brexit among other issues. However vacancies in the NHS are endemic and in the past the stop gap was nurses from the Philippines etc. The lowest pay band for a nurse is just £20000 and many auxiliary staff are on less. Without excessive overtime their remuneration, given what their responsibilities are, is not generous.

    I don’t disagree Daf but, as you will know, they don’t stay on £20k for long. Experienced nurses earn considerably more. Then, of course, there’s the pay increments structure that gives them increases that, unlike in the private sector, aren’t performance related. Plus, of course, the excellent pension scheme. Don’t get me wrong, they do a great job that, as I said earlier, most of us wouldn’t want to do, but I simply don’t buy the line that they are poorly paid. As I also said, Care Workers are a different matter altogether. Appalling pay and none of the benefits.

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    Rene
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    Your right about vacancies but that has been a recent phenomenon, linked to Brexit among other issues. However vacancies in the NHS are endemic and in the past the stop gap was nurses from the Philippines etc. The lowest pay band for a nurse is just £20000 and many auxiliary staff are on less. Without excessive overtime their remuneration, given what their responsibilities are, is not generous.

    I don’t disagree Daf but, as you will know, they don’t stay on £20k for long. Experienced nurses earn considerably more. Then, of course, there’s the pay increments structure that gives them increases that, unlike in the private sector, aren’t performance related. Plus, of course, the excellent pension scheme. Don’t get me wrong, they do a great job that, as I said earlier, most of us wouldn’t want to do, but I simply don’t buy the line that they are poorly paid. As I also said, Care Workers are a different matter altogether. Appalling pay and none of the benefits.

    .. i’m not sure that you’re knowledgeable on this topic. Experienced nurses change fields and/or specialise, so yeah, unsurprisingly they earn more. Most nurses work in Band 5:

    https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/working-health/working-nhs/nhs-pay-and-benefits/agenda-change-pay-rates/agenda-change-pay-rates

    Everything above Band 5 are managerial jobs and require further education/training, so unsurprisingly, the salary goes up. They’re not “just” nurses then anymore.

    Factually, even an experienced nurse earns less than the average bricklayer. If you don’t think that there’s something wrong with that (hours, responsibilities, education), then.. i don’t know, you’re flat out wrong. And please don’t go to the “yeah but it’s back breaking work” – a nurses job is plenty physical. Also, “i simply don’t buy” really isn’t an argument for anything with literally all the information readily and easily available for all of us to check. All that means is that you can’t be bothered to check whether or not your opinion is based on facts or on wishful thinking.

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    mitch
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    i did temp work for derby pct and emas ambulance service at different times quite a few years ago admitedly but in both roles i was posting the fleet cars to either wages or perks as some posts attracted a company car.

    also many nursing staff went purely bank so they could pick and choose their hours etc. it was a scam basically they got paid more than a regular scale with less responsibility and more flexibility. the nhs could save a fortune by recruiting a pool of surplus staff to cover absence and do away with bank altogether but its a cosy monopoly run by ex nhs nurses and hr/union staff.

    i did a cost analysis based on the trusts average bank usage and they could have saved a fortune but hr and the unions kicked off about it. 3 weeks later they decided they didnt need temp post i was filling although the woman i was standing in for was still on maternity leave and they advertised it again 2 weeks later.

    i am afraid a lot of the nhs’s woes are self inflicted.

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    Glos Guy
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    i did temp work for derby pct and emas ambulance service at different times quite a few years ago admitedly but in both roles i was posting the fleet cars to either wages or perks as some posts attracted a company car. also many nursing staff went purely bank so they could pick and choose their hours etc. it was a scam basically they got paid more than a regular scale with less responsibility and more flexibility. the nhs could save a fortune by recruiting a pool of surplus staff to cover absence and do away with bank altogether but its a cosy monopoly run by ex nhs nurses and hr/union staff. i did a cost analysis based on the trusts average bank usage and they could have saved a fortune but hr and the unions kicked off about it. 3 weeks later they decided they didnt need temp post i was filling although the woman i was standing in for was still on maternity leave and they advertised it again 2 weeks later. i am afraid a lot of the nhs’s woes are self inflicted.

    Well said Mitch. I completely agree. I was blighted by the ‘bank’ issue as well.  I’m glad that I’m not the only person on this forum who has first hand experience of working in this environment but, of course, there are always those who know far more! There’s an awful lot more that I could say about what I learned but it’s best left unsaid, other than that your final comment is so true and the pedestal that the NHS has been put over the last few years will do nothing to address these issues.

    #170180 Reply
    mitch
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    dont get me wrong i think the individual nurses etc do a fantastic job in difficult circumstances, ive been in enough hospitals myself to see that the patients a lot of the time are not the pleasantist of people.

    the management is too complex and the consultants have too much sway with their pet projects and stuff.

    at times its like the docks in the 60’s and 70’s.

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