June 12, 2019 at 7:19 pm #79481
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July 9, 2019 at 9:17 pm #82319
There’s always talk. An opposition motion has to be accepted by the speaker, then debated, then won. How many remainer Tory MPs would want to be out of a job? How many labour MPs in pro Brexit constituencies would want to be out of a job?. How many MPs would risk a Farage government? There’s always talk…July 10, 2019 at 8:37 am #82336
Well folks, after the leaders debate last evening, the general consensus is that Boris has ‘nailed it’ – like him or not, he is now well on the way to becoming PM, and is virtually unstoppable?
He is not perfect by any means ( how many of us are ) but he is infinitely preferable to Corbyn and gang, and with Hunt as PM , a General Election would see him replaced by Corbyn ,whereas Boris is likely to defeat Corbyn by a country mile?July 10, 2019 at 8:48 am #82338
Interesting that in the debate, Hunt’s attack on Johnson’s “personal ambition” rather threatens his own ambition to be a minister in Johnson’s cabinet.July 10, 2019 at 8:58 am #82340
Can’t see Boris falling over himself to appoint Hunt to the Cabinet, but he may be forced to for harmony?
July 10, 2019 at 10:42 am #82354
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Well folks, after the leaders debate last evening, the general consensus is that Boris has ‘nailed it’ – like him or not, he is now well on the way to becoming PM, and is virtually unstoppable? He is not perfect by any means ( how many of us are ) but he is infinitely preferable to Corbyn and gang, and with Hunt as PM , a General Election would see him replaced by Corbyn ,whereas Boris is likely to defeat Corbyn by a country mile?
So it begins. The Lunatic runs the asylum. Simply replacing one PM with an other will not sort out the Tory party. I fear for our future under the Tories. More cuts to the welfare state. More privation of the NHS. The trade deal with the USA under Boris, who would sell his own granny. So Yes I am fearful of what is to come under a Boris Tory Government.
Could you tell me why I should not be fearful ?
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Builder of Gaming PC'sJuly 10, 2019 at 12:01 pm #82355
Hunt isn’t daft, becoming BoJo’s trusty lieutenant would be a short term gig which would damage his ambitions, so why not have a right go at him.
Boris the buffoon will be a temporary PM strutting and prancing on a comedic stage, before the curtain falls on a shambolic few months.
Someone else will have to pick up the pieces. Hunt thinks it might be him.July 10, 2019 at 12:32 pm #82368July 10, 2019 at 7:34 pm #82390
I have a feeling we shall see parliament suspended following the summer recess to secure WTO deal. I think Corbyn’s finished but when he gets ousted Labour stand to lose millions of voters.
On a side note, New Zealand await either the Aussies or us in the final.July 16, 2019 at 11:47 pm #82766
Odds of a clean WTO deal have shortened. Possible suspension of parliament. The twists and turns will hit us shortly one by one.July 18, 2019 at 11:44 am #82890
Final hustings event over. bated breath now being held as voting takes place. odds of general election sooner have increased.July 18, 2019 at 4:44 pm #82912
Final hustings event over. bated breath now being held as voting takes place. odds of general election sooner have increased.
I would tend to agree with you on odds of GE sooner have increased.
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Builder of Gaming PC'sJuly 23, 2019 at 2:03 pm #83362
Johnson as PM. Brexit now just over 3 months away.July 25, 2019 at 3:05 pm #83592
98 days to go…. By law, we leave the EU on the 31st October. Only further legislation can change that. The government is not going to introduce any new laws before then to prevent any hijacking. Seems straightforward…July 25, 2019 at 4:39 pm #83601
No deal will set back our economy enormously. The consequences will be painful for the UK for the next decade or more.July 25, 2019 at 4:46 pm #83602
That’s an opinion, POPS.
Many experts think it’s a valid opinion, many experts don’t. Many experts believe the EU is heading for self-destruction, many experts disagree.
Ultimately no-one knows.July 25, 2019 at 5:15 pm #83604
How do you know that pops ?
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I think we shall see a deal with the EU moving significantly. Not only do they want the £39b, they need it with the Eurozone in crisis. The scare stories we hear about no deal are the same ones we heard when we didn’t join the Euro.July 26, 2019 at 10:18 pm #83697
We trade tariff free with our major market the EU and that will end with a “no deal”. We don’t have a hope of negotiating a preferential deal with them.
Our ports of entry are not fit for purpose and cannot deal with the customs and duty checks that will be needed 24 hours a day, seven days a week. There will be huge parking lots of containers filled with spoiling goods.
Trump will use us as a dumping ground for sub standard food exports and goods.
Multi national corporations currently based in the UK will have to set up elsewhere within the EU, and the UK will become increasingly vunerable.
I could go on ….
As Wigwam says this is just my opinion, but it’s based on a lengthy career in logistics management including shifting goods both in and out of the UK.July 27, 2019 at 9:53 am #83718
The prophets of doom, will fight until the bitter end, and the longer it goes on the more bitter they become, and are warning that a “no-deal” Brexit on World Trade Organization terms would entail “substantial costs” for the UK economy.
However, the IMF has stated that “ As an example “, Ireland would take a minimum 4% hit on it’s economy with a ‘no deal’ Brexit, as would several other EU countries , such as Denmark, Belgium and Holland, and overall, the EU will likely be hit hard with a minimum 1.5% hit on it’s economy, which is an average over the 27 countries, & means a substantial ( massive ) hit in several of the weaker economies, causing utter chaos all over
Europe, and remember, that they estimated also, a 4% hit for the U.K. ( and this really is an unsubstantiated estimate without actually taking ‘accurately’ into account the boost in trade with the rest of the World ) is much easier to handle in a top 5 or 6 economy, than it is in the majority of other EU states.
A ‘free trade deal with the U.K. would produce an initial hit of no more than 0.8% overall in the EU- much much easier to handle than the above, with nouotin and therefore this alone will eventually bring common sense back to the table!
Remember, also, that these figures do not take fully into account holding back all or some of the Divorce Payment, which can be used towards boosting our economy, and making the financial hit on the EU even greater, potentially bankrupting some EU member states?
Yup, some people are going to take a hit, no doubt ( but it must be understood that it is not just in the UK ), however, as far as the UK is concerned, the economy, will not suffer as much as it did when Labour last had the keys to the Treasury!July 27, 2019 at 10:31 am #83721
I find it interesting that so many people offer so many reasons why we shouldn’t have voted to leave. Where are the rational reasons for remaining in what is now an autocratic superstate? Of course, it’s difficult to leave, it’s intended to be.July 27, 2019 at 10:52 am #83725
Somehow undemocratic changed to autocratic in the above post. The EU is an undemocratic superstate. Discuss.July 27, 2019 at 11:02 am #83728
I’m not against a structured plan to leave the EU with a buffer period to negotiate continuing trade agreements, and to enable us to put an adequate customs and excise system in place to allow the free flow of goods. Our economy will still take a hit under this structured arrangement but it would be more manageable.
I am solidly against a “no deal”, because it will bring initial chaos, and long term tariffs as we continue to trade with markets that we cannot do without.
Can you see our current politicians having the political expertise to deal with the fall out from a no deal Brexit?July 27, 2019 at 11:04 am #83730
I agree with you POPS. But the EU will not allow it.July 27, 2019 at 7:43 pm #83785
Sense will prevail in the EU, after infighting and I feel a deal will be agreed, a better deal for us than the existing one, but the divisions in the EU (which are being papered over) will widen.July 27, 2019 at 7:53 pm #83788
Brussels has boxed itself into a corner. They insist the withdrawal agreement cannot be changed and is the only way forward. They will lose face with the 27 if they now agree to something else and must act to discourage any other country following us out.