The "B" word has been agreed (Part 3)

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    The previous B thread creaked under the pressure, please use this one going forward.

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    Brydo
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    And remember all of them will be gunning for Johnston as he’s the front runner, I see a difficult hour or so for him.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    Brydo
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    Fwipperie that doesn’t mean they will vote for him going forward. The vote is anonymous so MPs can change their vote from stage to stage. There are 314 Tory MPs and Johnston has 114 so well over a third, at this point. Let’s see how he performs on the live debate up against intelligent people where he can’t stick to a script written by intelligent people.

    No matter who wins the numbers in parliament don’t add up, they are in fact worse now than when May was PM.

    Its likely, no matter who wins, that Labour will hold a vote of no confidence in the government. A vote they will likely lose setting off a scramble to an election before we even deal with Brexit.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    Wigwam
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    Fwipperie, I rather think Brydo is in denial…

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    Brydo
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    Wigwam you may be correct, but I don’t think its done and dusted but I could be wrong, only time will tell.

    It really amuses me the support he gets on this thread he would cut the money paid to the disabled without a second thought. His big pitch in the leadership race is tax breaks for those earning over £50,000 per year.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    Wigwam
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    Does he get support here?Whatever. Not from me, if you read my posts.  I talk about what is likely to happen and that is that he almost certainly will be PM. I imagine the conservative party’s policies will still be those they were elected on (not by me, I might add).  Nothing changes – time will tell if he is honest in his intentions.  May certainly wasn’t which is why we are where we are.

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    And Brydo, don’t believe McDonnel’s nonsense about a vote of no confidence.   Labour will be given no parliamentary opportunity. And they would lose, if there were. No one wants to bring the government down and let the Brexit party in.  I  think the wreckers have had their chances and failed.

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    Mike 700
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    Forgive the essay –

    It is now de rigueur for left wing ‘so called comedians’, and pop singers, who feel it is their duty to kick anything right wing, ( until they grow up )  along with the Champagne socialist chattering classes, together with carefully selected guests on BBC News & Current affairs programmes and anybody with a ‘ list to port ‘ to criticise & sneer at Boris.

    People are entitled to their opinion of course, rightly or wrongly, and the D Day memorials on the 6th., reminded us of the sacrifices made to ensure the freedom to express their opinion , but nevertheless there is undoubtedly a (rather weak, but) concerted effort, to discredit Boris and demean him as some sort of ‘buffoon’, and as I have already stated, I am no great supporter of Boris, but If anybody actually believes in the nonsense rather than accept it as part of the campaign to stop him then sorry, they really are deluded.

    Remainers, the Labour Party, and the SNP are pushing the buffoon message, as are their supporters, because, frankly, they are all running scared of him . He is very very well up on any political subject, & well ahead of any brief, and also extremely intelligent , and well educated.

    If he becomes PM, he will absolutely annihilate and humiliate Corbyn each week at the dispatch box, and Ian Blackford’s weekly ( or should I say weakly ) anti Westminster anti Tory rants will be utterly destroyed .

    Brexit however is what has pushed him to the fore, and he may indeed eventually turn out to be a failure as a PM once Brexit is history?

    Who knows, but what I do know is that the U.K. will be infinitely safer with him in charge than we ever could be with Corbyn  in charge – Corbyn represents an unacceptable threat to the UK , and is but the tip of a very very dangerous iceberg, and this country cannot, indeed, ‘must not’ blindly sail into this iceberg without fair warning.

    Corbyn has refused over and over again to confirm that he will order the release of nuclear weapons – the naivety of the man is astounding, he is still thinking like a typical ‘liberal’ university Student not the potential protector of 65 million souls!

    Nobody , clearly, wants to ever see nuclear weapons used, but without the Nuclear deterrent , we are vulnerable and it is utterly brain dead of Corbyn to think that the likes of Iran, or North Korea or Russia , or any other potential rogue group or state would not use nuclear weapons against the U.K. if we were unprotected- I say again , ‘astounding’ !

    Yet Boris is the ‘buffoon’ ??????

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    regardless of brexit or the current tory shenanigans the one thing that is certain as long as corbyn is leader i will never vote labour again.

    all he has done throughout the brexit debate is sit on every fence going and refused to articulate what labours policy is, continually manouvering at every opportunity to try and force a general election to get into no 10.

    whilst still not admitting what they intend to do or explain what labour policy is or even what it isnt.

    i am firmly of the we voted out out we should go, and the politicians job is simply to get the best deal.but leave we must. otherwise whats the point of having a referendum.

    at the time i voted remain but i think we have to respect the result and get on with it, i am not in favour of the miniscots idea of lets keep having another referendum until i get the result i want.

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    11 Boris Johnson diplomatic gaffes

    https://www.politico.eu/article/11-boris-johnson-diplomatic-gaffes/

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    Boris Johnson’s most cringeworthy gaffes revealed as he resigns as Foreign Secretary

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-worst-gaffes-resigns-10440606

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    I will never understand how Corbyn has remained leader of the Labour party for so long, he simply isn’t engaging to the public for me, and comes across quite disrespectful.

    Emily Thornberry i think would be a good choice to succeed Corbyn, especially looking at the pool of tory candidates left.


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    Johnstons Private Life

    It is open season in the UK press on MP Boris Johnson’s “colourful” private life as it is revealed that he and his wife are divorcing. He is alleged to be a serial adulterer with one woman said to have had an abortion as a result of a liasison with him and another having had an illegitimate child.

    But here’s the legal issue: could Johnson, in light of the UK Supreme Court “celebrity threesome” judgment, get injunctions against publication of such material? Lord Mance, explaining that judgment (PJS v News Group), declared:

    “There is no public interest, however much it may be of interest to some members of the public, in publishing kiss-and-tell stories or criticisms of private sexual conduct, simply because the persons involved are well-known; and so there is no right to invade privacy by publishing them. It is different if the story has some bearing on the performance of a public office or the correction of a misleading public impression cultivated by the person involved. But … that does not apply here.”

    The judgment itself set the seal on an emerging privacy law, asserting that even the re-publication of material already accessible to all was an offence against an individual’s privacy because of its likely “intrusive and distressing effect”.

    Boris Johnson’s colourful private life: a matter of public interest?

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    Momentum Trev, they will back him 100% leaving the party at odds with Labours traditional voters. The MPs couldn`t get rid of him though they tried very hard to do so.

    We have had a chat about Johnson getting the Tory leadership and by default PM. I feel we should have a general election because he is far away from Cameron it could be a different party you are voting for.

    Corbyn is an example of this, if you voted Labour to get say Tony Blair elected and half way through his term he left and corbyn was elected and became PM how would you feel. Would you feel the party you voted for was the same party?

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    Wigwam
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    I agree about Corbyn and Momentum. Murray, Milne and McDonnell amongst others are the intellect. Corbyn is the useful idiot, still the student activist with no ideas of his own.

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    Only problem with that Brydo is there wouldn’t be a change of leadership, May would have stayed as the last thing the tories would want is a general election with their current popularity.


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    Just watching Andrew Neil on “this week” where Michael Portillo calls Boris Johnston “completely unreliable, with no political principles what’s so ever. He is a Tory who knows him and he says this about him.

    What does it take for people to see what this guy is.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    Brydo, we are going to get him regardless of the reality. The grassroots Tories will vote him in,  they see the alternative being the decimation of their party, and Corbyn or Farage in charge.

    We just have to hope his handlers do their job to minimise the damage he might otherwise cause.

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    Mike 700
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    Corbyn, Momentum and their Marxist Leninist philosophy, present a clear danger to the U.K., and our way of life .

    Corbyn’s Marxist policies will of course give more to those on lower incomes and benefits, but this will only be short term, his declared policies will wreck the economy and bankrupt this country, and the sacrifices made by many over the past nine years of austerity ( caused by his party’s incompetence in the first place ) will all be a complete waste, and don’t forget Mr Corbyn cannot carry out the role of Prime Minister if he will not promise to protect the U.K.

    Repaying student debt, throwing more and more money at the NHS but not by using efficiently, simply adding to existing waste, renationalisation of state Industries etc etc. even at an estimated cost of £1000 billion, simply pale into insignificance if’ he will not protect the U.K.

    Yet, unbelievably and blindly, some people condemn BoJo ( and if not him it will be whoever wins the leadership elections) and are crying out for a General Election ultimately in the hope of getting Corbyn into No 10, but disguising this by using the excuse that the country hasn’t voted for BoJo  , or whoever

    The very same people however forget that it is not just with the Tories that this has happened, it happened with Jim Callaghan when Harold Wilson eventually resigned and Jim Callaghan formed a government which was an unmitigated disaster, with the economy taking a nosedive , crisis what crisis ‘ And the Winter of Discontent ( rubbish lying in the streets, the deceased lying un buried) and we went through a period of rampant inflation with 15% mortgage rates, and how can we forget Gordon Brown who was also unelected and on who’s Government ‘s watch, the Financial Crisis occurred .

    One other very good reason that anti – Tories are calling for a General Election is that they are very afraid of a BoJo government running away with popularity – the latest prediction is that if he becomes PM and gets us out of the EU by the due date, things will improve generally and if he then calls an election, he could get as much as a 140 seat majority in Parliament!

    Those calling for a general election need to be careful what they wish for!

    Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind!

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    Wigwam
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    Adding to that Mike, a Corbyn government would likely see inward investment reversed as multinational companies run for the hills, and the economy plunged into recession.  But hey-ho who cares, we’ll  all get a free owl.

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    Mike 700
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    Agreed!

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    POPS
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    I wouldn’t vote for Corbyn and I wouldn’t vote for Johnson.  that leaves me disenfranchised as there is no credible independent alternative.

    Two small groups of people with totally opposite extreme left and right views have ruined two party politics. Momentum are Marxist dominated, and the Tory members who will have the final say and vote Johnson in are a relatively small number of elderly right wing white men living mainly in the south east, and also living in the past.

    We are a multi cultural society of predominantly reasonable individuals unrepresented by the close minded ambitions of indoctrinated extremes. It’s a frightening joke!

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    Wigwam
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    There’s always the libdems…

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    POPS
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    I used to vote Liberal before the LibDems …. sadly it was always a wasted vote.

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    fwipperie
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    Chuka Umunna has now lost all credibility, 3 parties in 3 months. A by election needed?

    Looking highly likely Mr Johnson will be PM and his challenge will be to deliver Brexit by Oct 31st. Expect a new cabinet to be highly populated by leavers. Just 6 names still in the hat.

    On a final issue I think Fiona Bruce is not up to hosting QT. Very defensive yesterday and as widely reported the show is very much slanted towards the left and remain.

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    joss
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    Mrs Joss spotted this and emailed it me. Short memories….

    Boris 2007

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