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Link leads to an article saying 50 cars removed from scheme due to Drive Smart.
Ah thx ctuk.
A surprisingly small number.
Someone posted during a Northern Ireland trial, about 500 were removed?? Not sure about the figure, but it was substantial.
If the black boxes stop fraud, then its a good thing. When Uber eats is driving a brand new car, something ain’t right. Its usually a 59 plate Corsa.
There is no indication of the reasons for removal from the scheme, but if the vehicle is used outwith the terms and conditions, they will get caught.
Can someone please snapshot the article to whit this relates and what is all about please?
Not all here are on facebooks.
Link directly to the story;
If I seem a little strange, that's because I am.
Skoda Karoq SEL.
Out of the 52 who lost their vehicle, I wonder how many had multiple accidents during their lease.
If none of them had an insurance claim, the it is a severe problem with Drive Smart.
So 0.0057% of scheme users.
For now.
I fully expect that number to rise like a rocket in the coming months.
I expect the numbers will gradually grow, due to the nature of Drivesmart relying an app and access to the phones fitness app to analyse users actual driving behaviours.Unlike the traditional black box, that connects to th car, smartphone based telematics are more wide open to errors as they typically provide the same level of accuracy and reliability as dedicated black box systems.
My advice if you have to have one, is ensure your phone is is securely held in place and isolated from hard cabin surfces, as much as possible.
So 0.0057% of scheme users.
The numbers can only go UP, they can Never go down.
It will be interesting one year from now where the Motability Scheme stands.
Thinking about it a bit more once you install the app on your phone it will track that phone when itâs not in the car so it might say it doesnât but who knows what apps do in the background I would absolutely refuse to have any Motability app on my phone just get a burner phone and go here you go it doesnât download any apps so fit the black box
Thinking about it a bit more once you install the app on your phone it will track that phone when itâs not in the car so it might say it doesnât but who knows what apps do in the background I would absolutely refuse to have any Motability app on my phone just get a burner phone and go here you go it doesnât download any apps so fit the black box
If Motability wants it on your phone burner or not, they can supply and pay for the SIM.
You can always leave the phone with drive smart in the car. But you got to interact with its notifications. If not you are removed from the scheme.. heil hilter ….
@Daniel I think read on this forum that if you do, or claim (how would they know) to have a phone that doesn’t have internet or can’t download apps then they will fit a black box. I would have neither but the later would definitely be better.
How do we know if all leases after 13th April are not already fitted with a black box, or even when they are serviced as part of the trial, quietly collecting data.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
How do we know if all leases after 13th April are not already fitted with a black box, or even when they are serviced as part of the trial, quietly collecting data.
There is a section in the terms and conditions where they MUST tell you it is being fitted. It is motability,s way of keeping their nose clean legally.
They could always state  âitâs to monitor the fleet, not the userâ. Remember the small print in lease extension which was challenged and found in favour of Mobility.
I am still wounded after paying ÂŁ6,999 for what I assumed could extend to a 5 year lease.
If I stay on the scheme I will only pay a low AP, I have had my fingers burnt.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Thinking about it a bit more once you install the app on your phone it will track that phone when itâs not in the car so it might say it doesnât but who knows what apps do in the background
There are a number of clear advantages using smartphone telematics, starting with the elimination of expensive hardware costs for insurers/Motability, as windscreen data enhancer is all that is required. Whereas OBD-II programs require the insurance provider to purchase and distribute telematics devices that clients can install in their vehicles, the mobile option employs a clientâs own mobile device – itâs a system that can be easily and effectively implemented. (In terms of cost, also leveraging the userâs existing mobile data plan or wifi network.
Itâs quite simple for insurance providers to launch telematics based programs/Apps for their customers. Apps can also open up direct communication channels with the driver.
Modern smartphones come equipped with built-in sensors that can be used to collect advanced telematics data, with many smartphones featureing precision global positioning system (gps) receivers, accelerometers for reading G-forces, magnetometers, proximity sensors, and ambient light sensors. and multiple data connectivity mechanisms.
Unlike many OBD-II devices, smartphones are carried with the owner and can moved between vehicles quickly, allowing an insurance provider to collect data about a driver on multiple vehicles.
We had a week in Cornwall a couple of weeks back, the journey there and back would probably have seen me removed. We drove 370 ish miles broken up into 3 stints of around 2 1/2 hours. Thatâs 6 strikes for the return journey. Also, a car was joining the motorway at speed, I couldnât pull into middle lane as there was a car there, I accelerated to get out of the way and let them join the motorway, I deemed it was the safest thing to do, did I go over the speed limit, I donât know, would this have been another strike. đ€·đŒ
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Kezo You donât get it. There may be a number of advantages by using telematics on a phone but for for who Kezo?
letâs start with who is paying for the mobile phone contract and data plan and who is responsible for its power oh thatâs right the owner of the phone will also need a energy contract to power the phone letâs just have quick tot up on costs vs benefit at this point none net negative as you are no supporting the telematics company they are having your data supplied by you at your cost
why should a disabled person be subjected to such treatment after all of the demographics I can see how they came to the conclusion that a disabled person is best person to help support such a telematics company with their project.
if the telematics is so good surely the brstnplace to Start is with the Motability employees themselves whatâs good for the goose is good for the gander we want an investigation into Motability employees how do they get their cars and are they subjected to the same treatment because if not then I can see a case for some discussion
Even if Motability go back on this black box nonsense, I will still leave the scheme at the end of my lease. It no longer represents value and I can get the car I want with the mileage allowance I need by going private for roughly the same cost or in some cases cheaper. I will also be able to put my son on my insurance without having to install a black box which is a necessity for me.
Kezo You donât get it. There may be a number of advantages by using telematics on a phone but for for who Kezo?
I thought I made that clear within the first sentence!!
“…..starting with the elimination of expensive hardware costs for insurers/Motability, as windscreen data enhancer is all that is required”
And then went on to explain why…
Sorry Kezo, I interpreted your comments as support for the âManâ
with words like advantages when I would have said exploitation and manipulation.
I now understand that we are both on the side of Motability customer / client / stakeholder I think Motability have forgotten who pays their wages and keeps the lights on here is an old parable copied from google
The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs” is a classic Aesopâs Fable where a farmer, greedy for instant wealth, kills his goose that lays one golden egg daily. Expecting to find a fortune inside, he finds nothing and destroys his source of income, illustrating that greed leads to total loss. The story warns against impatience and sacrificing long-term value for short-term gain.
That old Aesop he was a wise man you would think after all these years we would have moved on but I am fraud we are still run on reptilian brains messing about the A.i what could possibly go wrong
Sorry Kezo, I interpreted your comments as support for the âManâ with words like advantages when I would have said exploitation and manipulation. I now understand that we are both on the side of Motability customer / client / stakeholder I think Motability have forgotten who pays their wages and keeps the lights on here is an old parable copied from google The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggsâ is a classic Aesopâs Fable where a farmer, greedy for instant wealth, kills his goose that lays one golden egg daily. Expecting to find a fortune inside, he finds nothing and destroys his source of income, illustrating that greed leads to total loss. The story warns against impatience and sacrificing long-term value for short-term gain. That old Aesop he was a wise man you would think after all these years we would have moved on but I am fraud we are still run on reptilian brains messing about the A.i what could possibly go wrong
I was writing try to base on the cost advantages to the insurer. I strongly disagree with insurers, even Motability and think it is a damn cheek relying on someones personal phone’s included hardware and their monthly sim/data plan.
They could always state âitâs to monitor the fleet, not the userâ. Remember the small print in lease extension which was challenged and found in favor of Mobility. I am still wounded after paying ÂŁ6,999 for what I assumed could extend to a 5 year lease. If I stay on the scheme I will only pay a low AP, I have had my fingers burnt.
I think that is absolutely disgraceful of Motability, not to increase your lease to 5 years, as they do for a WAV’s.
As someone who suffers from Myelomeningocele (the worst case of Spina Bifida),Paraplegic and now a stroke victim, who is a full time wheelchair user and who has to use my own money to pay thousands of pounds AP for a suitable large non SUV car with a large boot, and electric adjustable leather seats, and on top of that £600 for a person hoist, to meet my needs.
The Government and especially Motability (with al be it mostly clerical non medical staff) should realize that not all disabled people in this situation’s needs are best met with a WAV and that each individual person’s needs should be met with the best help from Motability and it should not be assumed that if a person needs their car to come with such things as a large boot/ leather electrically adjustable seats, and a 360 camera, that all of these are mere luxury’s for some of their most disabled customer’s and cannot be met by non large cars with large AP’ or non so called “Luxury Makes”. All of these things, make Motability more profit on return which should be reused to further help their disabled customers.
After all there is no Motability Operations/ Government assessment on your needs, or further financial aid, unless you are living on means tested benefits alone, and can apply for a grant from the Motability Charity which is effectively financed mostly from us the disabled customers, especially the large AP paying ones.
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