Secrets of the car salesman

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    Brydo

    Secrets of the car salesman: A motor dealer shares 10 tips you need to know before buying a vehicle
    A car salesman – who didn’t want to be named – reveals secrets of the trade
    The 10 tips include way to keep sales executives on your side when buying a car
    These are some of the things you should and shouldn’t say to a dealer
    Be cautious on test drives and don’t fall for the GAP insurance hard sell

    Car sales executives – they’re a notoriously crafty bunch.

    Most consumers not only dislike the process of buying vehicles from them but a recent Auto Trader survey also highlighted that used-car sales men and women are the least trusted professionals in the country.

    So how do you avoid being ripped off by one? We spoke to an undercover sales exec to find out.

    The car dealer – who shall remain anonymous lest he be sent for scrappage – shared 10 tips buyers need to know before stepping foot into a showroom…

    Secrets of the car salesman: An unnamed motor dealer has given 10 tips buyers should know about before stepping into a showroom to negotiate on a new or used vehicle

    1. Asking ‘what is your best price?’ won’t work
    The best way to approach a sales exec is to be fairly up front. Say what you want, as asking questions like ‘what is your best price?’ is too nebulous – and at that point the best price is the one on the sticker.

    Bear in mind that if a car has been on the forecourt for a while it’s probably already been discounted and there won’t be much margin left in it, so you may not get the deal you imagined.

    2. Hit dealerships at the end of sales quarters
    When the sales quarters are nearing an end dealerships are very keen to hit targets, and if that means selling a vehicle at a loss to hit the bigger target, and therefore bigger income, they will.

    The sales exec mentioned selling a van for a £1,000 loss – but to them the bigger picture made it worth it.

    3. Rethink the value of your part-exchange vehicle
    If you’re part-exchanging a car the most sensible course is to have a figure in mind, which is what you’re prepared to pay for the notional cost of the new vehicle minus the notional value of your old vehicle.

    Getting hung up on just the value of your old car doesn’t really help the whole process along. Be honest and upfront then the dealer can see if they can make the deal work.

    If the figure you want and the figure the sales exec offers aren’t far apart then be prepared to leave your details and then leave yourselves. It’s a risk, but the dealership may well call you back sooner rather than later.

    Your car dealer won’t be as devious as Harry Wormwood in the film Matilda, but it pays to have your wits about you

    4. Don’t be a buyer dealers want to avoid
    There are some customers that sales execs learn to avoid. The anonymous salesperson reckons it’s a sixth sense you quickly pick up.

    Signs include someone looking at a £2,500 car picking up every single niggly little thing, which of course is priced in, and demanding big discounts. They’ll go through all the paperwork in detail and they’ll start shouting about their rights under the Consumer Rights Act or Sale of Goods Act at the first instance.

    Such customers may well find the dealership simply won’t engage with them in selling them a car.

    5. Don’t terrify the sales staff on test drives
    Test drives can also be challenging.

    At the dealership under discussion, about 20 per cent of test drives result in a ‘moment of concern’ and about 10 per cent are ‘properly scary’.

    Our secret sales exec still remembers working at a dealership where a salesman went out with a customer on a test drive, whereupon she veered across both lanes of a dual carriageway and up a bank, before the car rolled five times. She walked away. The salesman died.

    Dealers will avoid engaging with buyers who single out every single small issue with a vehicle for sale, the sales exec told us

    6. Dealers are well aware that diesel is under pressure
    In the overall picture, diesel demand is falling.

    The dealership view is that there were too many diesels sold, so now there is a glut on the market. Expect that to continue and for used dealers to know you have plenty of choice elsewhere, so striking up a deal might be favourable to them.

    That said, despite fewer people looking for diesel cars – both on the new and used market – values for older cars are on the rise as motorists are looking for fuel efficient models that avoid new taxation introduced by the government.

    Getting a discount on a new model will be much easier.

    7. Don’t be put off by low-mileage ex-fleet vehicles
    Speaking of cheaper cars, there are a lot of cars around with low mileages and all less than a year old.

    Where do they come from? A variety of sources, including demonstrators, courtesy cars, ex-daily rental, bodyshop courtesy cars, cars used by dealers and management and even those sold under preferential purchase schemes.

    A recent Advertising Standards Agency ruling in January dictates that any used car sold by a dealer requires a declaration of whether it was formerly a fleet or rental vehicle, after lawyers suggested buyers could be entitled to a full refund if they were mis-sold a second-hand car without knowing its background

    However, these models shouldn’t be vetoed completely.

    Why you should consider an ex-rental, fleet or lease used car
    Car finance expert Graham Hill explains: ‘Before writing off ex-hire or fleet cars as viable options, it’s important that you look at more than just previous owners as an insight into the car – you need to consider mileage, condition and service history too.

    ‘Also don’t fall into the trap of tarring these all with the same brush as each case is different.’

    Ex-hire vehicles

    ‘Ex-hire cars might seem like the obvious candidate to avoid as they would have had several drivers with different driving skills and cause ‘wear and tear’.

    ‘It’s not all clear cut though. Some main dealers and other new car retailers buy their cars very cheaply by registering the cars in the name of a car hire company in a practice called ‘pre-registering’. This enables the dealer to sell the car at a big discount as it is considered a used car, even though there is no mileage on the clock.

    ‘In this case, a cursory glance at the previous owner would give little to no insight into the actual condition of the car itself.’

    Ex-fleet vehicles

    ‘Fleet cars, which have been caught up in this ruling, are a different beast altogether.

    ‘Fleet drivers often have their vehicles held to higher account than your average punter – it’s not unusual for fleets to penalise their drivers for not keeping the condition of their cars up to scratch.

    ‘Fleet drivers are often as close to professionals as you will get so the cars generally aren’t thrashed and invariably the cars only have one owner who, through his contract of employment, treats the car as his or her own.’

    Ex-lease vehicles

    ‘The most misleading assertion is around lease cars though. All cars taken on contract hire – i.e. a lease – are registered in the name of the leasing company which naturally puts buyers on the defensive.

    ‘The fact is that all lease cars, whether leased by a private individual or a business, have to conform to a very strict set of rules regarding service and maintenance, as well as body repairs.

    ‘If the rules are not adhered to, the lessee will be charged by the leasing company so drivers take very careful care of the cars to avoid any unnecessary end of lease charges. It would be wrong to assume that a lease car is in any worse condition than a privately owned car.’

    8. Sales staff get commission for GAP insurance and paint protection – so don’t fall for the hard sell
    Sales executives don’t make much money out of adding options to the car, but ‘good money’ is made by add-ons like GAP insurance, paint and interior protection.

    GAP (Guaranteed Asset Protection) insurance covers the shortfall between what you paid for the car and the amount your insurer will pay out should it be written off.

    GAP insurance is commonly offered to buyers of new and used vehicles and the cover is available for one, two or three years.

    Selling this as an additional package to customers would add £300 to £500 to the salesman’s commission on a profitable used car sale.

    But when you consider that new vehicles lose on average 60 per cent of their value after three years, this is one add-on that used-car buyers generally don’t need to pay for.

    You might think dealers are making a profit, but they’re having to cover the cost of guaranteeing that the motor is roadworthy

    9. Don’t forget that making the car roadworthy comes at a cost for dealers
    Don’t underestimate the cost to dealers to make a car roadworthy – and then offer a warranty on the model you’re buying.

    For example, if you had a £4,000 used car to sell, the dealer’s gross margin would be about £1,300, but out of that would need to come reconditioning costs, MOT if applicable, servicing, valeting and so on, so the average profit would fall to about £400 or 10 per cent.

    10. Be friendly – it might just get you a deal
    The slightly surprising revelation from the unnamed dealer was a reminder that, behind the figures, this was all about a personal interaction.

    If the sales exec got on with the customer, and the customer was relatively reasonable and pleasant from their side, then the sales exec would often volunteer discounts or benefits, just because it felt good.

    Worth bearing in mind, so be nice and strike up a conversation that makes their day better.

     

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    TonyD

    In my opinion, many of the aformentioned are just crooks who prey on the most vulnerable in society.

    They instinctively know which customers won’t haggle, and will accept any price for their existing car, and then pay top whack for the new one.

    It’s a bit like dealing with ATOS and Capita. Some people can express themselves and talk openly and confidently, others just can’t – and lose out through no fault of their own.

    Maybe in the future, we will buy new cars online from the likes of Amazon; and the car will then be delivered to the door by a franchised dealership (a bit like PCH can be done now). Part-exchange cars can be sold privately or via auction (such as Manheim or BCA), who will collect the car.

    There’s a price to pay for service – but a fixed, known price.
    No sales-people – no haggling.
    Showrooms are for browsing, and obtaining advice, information and for test-drive arrangements.

    The ‘old school’ salesman is then just for the used car market.
    Sell used – buy used.

    Must go. Time for medication.

    #49794 Reply
    Mike 700
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    All sounds about right to me !

    Just below them – yup, Estate Agency ‘Negotiators ‘?

    Next- Time Share/ Holiday Bond salespeople ?

    Then …………….?

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Mike 700.

    VW Tiguan SEL in Silver White.

    #49800 Reply
    Glos Guy

    The biggest mistake that most people make when buying a car is to be fooled into thinking that they have received a great part exchange price on their old car. They have a rough idea of what their car is worth and then are delighted that the dealer offers them more. Getting £1,000 more for your part exchange than you think it’s worth is no good if without a part exchange you would have got £2,000 off. I always go armed with what my current car is worth and what the best deals are excluding part exchange and make sure that I win on both sides of the deal. Often this means selling your current car privately, but that’s not as scary as many think and can result in by far the best overall deals. The last 3 cars I have bought new I managed to average 20% discounts and sold the old cars for several thousand pounds more each time than the dealer offered in part exchange. Win, win.

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