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here we are awake at 5am again lol. unable to sleep so trawling through the suv sized options and previous cars considered.
the renault symbioz esprit alpine has reduced in price to 393 wpms. thats the middle option but gives you electric seats and tailgate heated seats and steering wheel so all the nice to haves and a decent mpg. the drawback was the door entry shape i want to recheck and see if i can find a comfortable wa in/out.
the cupra formentor v2 has gone down to £343 and was a suprise comfortable sit test, v2 gives you all the nice to haves as well. its drawback is the 40mpg which given the plunge in my mileage isnt a deal breaker now as i cant see my mileage increasing unless you know jobs going for a 66 year old. i do like the styling i know its a bit marmite.
the quashqai 1.5 e-power n-connector £347 wpms, ap has remained pretty steady the last couple of quarters it lacks some of the nice to haves heated stuff for winter.but is a nice place to sit.
the mg zs and hs trophy are the bargain pricewise they have all the kit but there was just something about the cockpit that didnt click hopefully the test drives on the 24th will put that to bed.
citroen c3 aircross max the ap went up to £627 so is above what i am comfortable with but the cockpit and test drive comfort keep it on my list along with the budget option of the c3.
mini countryman electric monochrome remains on the list as the sit test was so good like putting on old slippers lol. just a question of can i get my head around the charging. and the 0ap is very tempting.
i am going to go to chesterfield at 10.30 as most of these dealers are on the same street.
ive booked mini and mg test drives so will do the same for the others and see if there are any deals to be had.
sensible head says one of the hybrids but the mini and the cupra were nice places to sit and are tempting.
i may even risk waiting to see if the citroens come down next quarter, being very selfish i could order something this quarter and change next if prices come down although i am not too comfortable with that.
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Mitch could you pay to have slabs put on the grass ? We have 32 bungalows and I’m the noisyest behind my net curtains !
3 of the “neighbours” further to the left already have visitors be it carers or whatever that drive right up to their bungalow on ocassion to deliver/unload the one in the corner has someone who parks up for the day on occasion. in fact shes one of the old biddies whose dogs use the amenity.
if i get the outside socket/charger with a 20m lead i wont need to defile the so called public amenity.
i will wait and see what the answers are and the test drive of the mg’s. but your right theres always one lol.
@menorcamike, i might get permission to slab my lawn but the expanse of grass with the trees belongs to the council and they are classing it as a community amenity even though the only users are 2 old biddys and there dogs that they refuse to clear up after.
it would be nice to bbe able to resolve the charging issue as obv overall even with the granny charger it would be the cheapest option esp as regards ap.
but not the end of the world the juke tekna or one of the mg’s would still be a good option.
well thats a no then on all points,, i could say its a conspiracy as the rykneld rep virtually quoted word for word the council letter regarding getting a drive/hard standing and of course elf and safety was repeated every other word. regardless of the fact that pedestrian traffic is in single figures on any given day and is non existent at night. they specifically said even if cable covers were used they wouldnt bbe allowed.
so electric is out unless i charge at dobbies or where ever.
although i can have an otside socket at least.
so i may go the sneak up on to the lawn once a week and play dumb route.
I would be very careful about planning 3 years of the lease based on the economy of sneaking the car close to the house for an overnight charge weekly. The end result could well be much worse than a simple choice between car options.
The short term economies through charging on the sly don’t justify the potential cost of a council set on enforcing petty rules or neighbours being petty. I’d suggest going for something running on fossil fuels for this lease, at least.
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oh i know its just the petty beurocracy that gets me, the foot traffic on either path is less than 10 people passing my property in either direction per day. so risk is negligable.
even so i am going to test using an electric for a week with a full intinery so to speak and see where we are as to actual usage.
Its ok asking for forgiveness than go for permission however, being blatent is certainly asking for trouble.
My original plan for considering both an EV and charging at home, was based on a c.20m lead and the assumption of the car being parked where you currently park now.
Having looked at the pictures you uploaded, my advice would be a granny lead run on the narrow strip of grass where the hedge is, down to the car, with the D Line cable cover taking the cable across the pavement, which along with the roadway will be adopted by local highways dept. Based on the D Line cable cover literature stating it meets the highways act 1980 with the inclusive cable warning triangle, you could act dumb and therefore ask for forgiveness if local highways picked you up on using it without asking permission first. You are also drawing less attention to yourself!
Of course you could also be upfront and email the D Line literature to the relevant LA department, explaing the what it is, the specs yourself and asking permission to be granted. If you are granted permission, you have no worries charging at home. If on the otherhand you are not granted permission or are ever pulled up using it without asking, the cost and inconvenience of running an EV will outweigh that of an hybrid say, to which I would also agree with Mark.
You could also show the literature ask your local MP to back you and write to the LA, he/she might also have more clout with 2 row slab off road parking, given your classed as disabled.
councils/landlords really piss me off.
closeley followed by motab and the chancellor.
given the miles i do i dont really want to be shelling out 600 ap (c3 aircross and juke tekna) as nice as the tekna and its sound system are plus i love the yellow lol.
the mg’s are better @ less than 100 but initial impressions are they a bit dated/bland although they have the nice to haves. question mark on seat comfort from the sit test but the test drive will sort that out.
so pissed off tight me says spend as little as possible on this lease and hope things change and although its a mild hybrid it has 57mpg claimed and all the nice to haves for now go for c3 max hybrid its big enough economical enough and cheapest over the 3 years.
so i am taking a time out and park this until i have driven the mg’s.
@kezo i like the hedgeline idea didnt think of that.
omg would you beleive it lol dont bend over quickly to pick up the post esp as its all junk.
my backs gone lol in bits so bed i think hopefully it will release soon.
oh i give up.
the mg’s are better @ less than 100 but initial impressions are they a bit dated/bland although they have the nice to haves. question mark on seat comfort from the sit test but the test drive will sort that out.
I would say the latest generation are far from!
Comfort is subjective, but going off @ajn saying the seats are more comy than in his previous Volvo must say something.
@kezo i like the hedgeline idea didnt think of that.
Sparky’s eyes 😉
ok i am upright again all be it with twinges lol dont you love backs.
some good news ive managed to get an earlier mg test drive thurs at 2.
so that will put the test drives to bed in all the cars i can get in/out of.
small exercise out of curiosity i asked for all electrics with 0 ap.
c3 max 85kw44kwh 0 ap 81.46/wk.
c3 aircross 83kw54kwh 0 ap 81.46/wk
countryman momochrome 150kw 66kwh 0 ap 81.46/wk.
inster 85kw44kwh 0ap 83.48/wk
grande panda la prima 83kw44kwh 0 ap 84.83
honda e ny1 150kwelegance 69kwh 0 ap 84.83/wk.
the mini and the honda seem to have the edge 282 and 256 claimed range and faster charging.
The kW figure shown is how powerful the motor is, the kWh figure the size of the battery. The charging rate will be a more hidden figure or disguised in 10 – 80 % etc.
With a bit of looking at EV-database, charging speeds:
Honda 60
C3 54kWh battery 70
C3 44kWh 60
Panda 60
mini 93
Inster 60
So, with the exception of the mini, they’re much of a muchness. The Mini is quickest.
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electric is definateley a minefield you can easily end up with something unsuitable.
still tempted by the mini even with all the knockbacks regarding drive,chargers and cables.
even just using dobbies once a week at 59p the top rate it will be cheaper over 3 years than the hybrids.
just the embuggerance factor. although i like kezo’s hedgeline idea.
well i will be able to do the number crunching on friday after the mg test drives at least i will know which are the most comfortable.
If you do end up using Dobbies Mitch, there’s a VAT cut on public chargers on the way which will save a few pence…
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/mooted-vat-cut-public-ev-charging-brilliant-news
that would make sense make it 5% same as at home.
my budgeted fuel bill prior to enforced retirement lol was £60. per month so if i can keep it below that with the reduced mileage but more expensive electricity i would be happy. as the cost of the ap and weekly would be less..
just need to finish the test drives and do the sums.
Assume a generous 3.5 miles per kW all year round (225 miles) from the Mini’s 64.6kWh useable battery . So for every 225 miles, it would cost £38.11
Assume an average of 50mpg from all the hybrids on your list – £25.57 for the same 225 miles
Therefore over the course of the lease, its going to be c.£507 cheaper to run an hybrid, assuming you do around 200 miles month, whichs bring the most expensive car on your list, the Juke into play. For what bit your saving on the Mini’s fixed WPMS payment throughout the lease, is it worth the inconvenience of having to leave home to charge. If looking at the two cheapes’t Hybrids on the list <£100, you will of course be saving.
If however, you can charge at home (unless your on a journey and need to public charge) the tables turn in favour of the Mini. If you can’t guarantee you will charge at home, I’d forget electric this lease and wait for the governments recently announced boost to support home charging for people without off stree parking to filter through and go electric on the following lease!
I’d be cautious around any public charging VAT changes. Until it’s announced by the Chancellor it’s just supposition. The 3ppm is to replace missing income from fuel duty (which also has VAT added on top) so adding 3ppm and cutting public charging doesn’t quite make sense, not that that’s a common factor with their decision making.
The idea of running cables by the hedge and parking on the road does make the best of a less than ideal situation. It gives you the best shot at enjoying the savings that home charging attract without running too much risk of pissing off the neighbours.
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