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Rachel from accounts clearly has no idea how the pay per mile is going to work, what an embarrassment.
https://youtu.be/VbEbmDACZDQ?si=1GwrZV2TuZq9vqHI
Daughters motability car Hyundai Tucson Ultimate self charging hybrid Serenity White Moss Grey interior.
My car SEAT Ibiza SE Tec 1.2 petrol TSI 2017.I see that Rachel from Accounts now has a second nick name following the extension of the freeze to personal allowances (which is known as fiscal drag, as people are ‘dragged’ into paying tax, or higher rate taxes, as salaries and benefits go up each year, but the personal allowances and tax bands don’t). On ‘Have I got News for You’ last night, Ian Hislop described her as the “Fiscal Drag Queen”. I’m not sure if he’s coined that phrase, or borrowed it from someone else, but I thought that it was equally amusing 😂
Rachel from accounts clearly has no idea how the pay per mile is going to work, what an embarrassment. https://youtu.be/VbEbmDACZDQ?si=1GwrZV2TuZq9vqHI
Why does she not put on public EV charging points, no different petrol stations.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Rachel from accounts clearly has no idea how the pay per mile is going to work, what an embarrassment. https://youtu.be/VbEbmDACZDQ?si=1GwrZV2TuZq9vqHI
Why does she not put on public EV charging points, no different petrol stations.
Most people charge at home, it wouldn’t raise enough to be worth the hassle or bad publicity.
Am I missing something?
Not currently an EV user but hasn’t the electricity you use to charge it if at home already been taxed.
Am I missing something? Not currently an EV user but hasn’t the electricity you use to charge it if at home already been taxed.
Currently there’s a vast amount of duties levied on fossil fuels, as more transition to electric cars that duty shrinks. This 3ppm is supposed to help replace lost revenue. It was always going to happen in some form as fuel duties raise billions to the exchequer.
So, while there’s a relatively small amount of VAT on domestic electricity supply and more on commercial charging, the duty losses are where this new tax is going.
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Apparently EV only count for 5%, with these additional 3p PAYG I can’t see this figure increasing it may well decrease, I think our little mate Racheal in Account has scored a home goal. Then there the energy £150 reduction in house hold bills, the price is going up in January, but the wholesale price of gas is nearly down to 2018 levels, again they still haven’t work that on out either. I can see another U turn coming.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Rachel from accounts clearly has no idea how the pay per mile is going to work, what an embarrassment. https://youtu.be/VbEbmDACZDQ?si=1GwrZV2TuZq9vqHI
Why does she not put on public EV charging points, no different petrol stations.
Most people charge at home, it wouldn’t raise enough to be worth the hassle or bad publicity.
Exactly this. There is already a barrier to move to BEV in that public charging can be more expensive than fossil fuels, add duty to that at 10p per kWh and that just increases that barrier without gaining as much as intended from EV use. Meanwhile cars are pushing the range capability, meaning that in any very long distance journey, the first 200-400 miles would be duty free and that could be the vast majority, if not all, of the journey itself. People whose use resembles mine would drive thousands of miles a year duty free and pay maybe as much as £16 a year duty thanks to the occasional longer trip. That’s not going to help feed many kids.
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This has been an interesting thread. I can’t help but think it will take some time for anyone to digest and implement the new rules. I’m sure Motability are looking into the implications with vigour.
This is weighing heavy on my mind, and it is good to read what others have to say on this very challenging subject.
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I was reading in Car Dealer magazine that some of the ousted manufacturers are absolutely livid and are considering a legal challenge.
I don’t know if there’s any basis for this, but it just shows that the only winners are the haters of the Motability scheme.
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Very interesting/ important point.
Am I missing something? Not currently an EV user but hasn’t the electricity you use to charge it if at home already been taxed.
On ICE you have fuel duty at 52.95 pence for every litre, then VAT @20% is paid on both the pre-tax price of the fuel and the price of the additional fuel duty.
Fuel duty 52.95p + 20% VAT (10.59p)
At pressent BEV’s currently don’t attract any form of fuel duty, but they do attract VAT on charging, at either 5% or 20% depending on where you charge.
It was obvious the government wouldn’t exlude BEV’s from the fuel duty money pit however, this government is making is going out of its way by adding stumbling blocks to what has already difficult transition and is making it increasingly harder for manufacturers to meet their targets. I would of expected per mile charge and VED, to have been held back till at least after 2030 and is just pure greed by the government, who only have themselves to blame, if their moves further slow transition.
I was reading in Car Dealer magazine that some of the ousted manufacturers are absolutely livid and are considering a legal challenge. I don’t know if there’s any basis for this, but it just shows that the only winners are the haters of the Motability scheme.
It will hit the used car market hard, I should imagine, which could see price increases on used cars and people holding onto car longer, which in turn hits manufacture output.
Has anyone seen any sense that Motability at over £4000 a year and some APS going up that you could buy a reliable used car like my friend who is disabled, and got an old vauxhall Diesel 1.9 engine for £600 4 years ago and it is a turbo engine. He uses this car more than I have used mine and only has MOT passes the odd small cheap tune up and it’s done over 90,000 miles still going strong. And with some APS over £3000 you have a car that’s yours and paying cash for it you have enough to put aside for any maintenance. He told me he has had 9 cars on Motability and never again would he go on the scheme again.
Like the conservatives labour has always viewed Mobility Operations with envy, are little friend Racheal will slowly dismantle the scheme, she not done with the scheme now she has started until as she states fit for purpose.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I was reading in Car Dealer magazine that some of the ousted manufacturers are absolutely livid and are considering a legal challenge. I don’t know if there’s any basis for this, but it just shows that the only winners are the haters of the Motability scheme.
My son works in the trade and there are certainly discussions amongst the major manufacturers to challenge the pay-per-view proposal due to the negative impact it will inevitably have on the government imposed targets for EV sales.
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Has anyone seen any sense that Motability at over £4000 a year and some APS going up that you could buy a reliable used car like my friend who is disabled, and got an old vauxhall Diesel 1.9 engine for £600 4 years ago and it is a turbo engine. He uses this car more than I have used mine and only has MOT passes the odd small cheap tune up and it’s done over 90,000 miles still going strong. And with some APS over £3000 you have a car that’s yours and paying cash for it you have enough to put aside for any maintenance. He told me he has had 9 cars on Motability and never again would he go on the scheme again.
Already there are twice as many people that are eligible to join Motability who do as you describe, rather than join the scheme. We are in the minority! The days of cars lasting 100,000 miles before expiring are long gone. I was in a 10 year old Mercedes E220 CDi taxi the other day that was on 431,000 miles and it was still on the original engine and still going strong. The owner has had it since it was 3 years old and, other than servicing (which he does himself) he’s only had one problem that cost him £142 to get fixed! He has no intention of changing it any time soon as he described it as “worry free motoring”. Now where have I heard that term before?
I was reading in Car Dealer magazine that some of the ousted manufacturers are absolutely livid and are considering a legal challenge. I don’t know if there’s any basis for this, but it just shows that the only winners are the haters of the Motability scheme.
My son works in the trade and there are certainly discussions amongst the major manufacturers to challenge the pay-per-view proposal due to the negative impact it will inevitably have on the government imposed targets for EV sales.
I’m not at all surprised. Manufacturers were already struggling with the EV targets before this spanner in the works. The lack of joined up thinking on this issue is staggering. Even though EVs will remain cheaper to run than ICE cars (as long as you can charge at home), it’s already quite bewildering and daunting for those of us who have spent decades just popping in to a petrol station for 5 minutes once every few weeks. The addition of the pence per mile charge (which is bound to increase beyond 3p per mile) is yet another factor to deter those who are already taking some convincing.
I read an article the other day that 38% of those considering switching to an EV for the first time were now reconsidering following the pence per mile charge announcement. I was already convinced prior to the budget that the 2030/35 cut offs were unachievable and would have to move, but just watch what happens to EV take up versus the ever increasing yearly targets now! It’s clueless economics.
I was reading in Car Dealer magazine that some of the ousted manufacturers are absolutely livid and are considering a legal challenge. I don’t know if there’s any basis for this, but it just shows that the only winners are the haters of the Motability scheme.
If they clubbed together, their financial clout would make mincemeat of this labour government.
I’m sure between them they would be able to afford a better legal team than Starmer.
I don’t think this is over.
The other issue with leasing privately is how fussy many of the companies are with charging for any little chip or minor mark.
The other issue with leasing privately is how fussy many of the companies are with charging for any little chip or minor mark.
Quite fussy. It could be a massive problem for the disabled who naturally will have bumps and scrapes getting in and out of their car.
When I leased privately, I took mine to a local cheap bodyshop who did what was necessary at reasonable cost.
The other issue with leasing privately is how fussy many of the companies are with charging for any little chip or minor mark.
On a like for like basis, I doubt that it will ever be cheaper to lease privately, even when the adverse changes to Motability come into play next year. The fact that the 20% VAT exemption on the core lease is remaining will see to that, even before you get into the mileage limits and Motability’s overly generous (at present) attitude to end of lease vehicle condition. If a car that you want remains available, and you want a brand new one, I’d suggest that people stick with Motability.
It always surprises me though, and I find it really odd, that when people discuss alternatives to Motability, there is always the assumption that the only other option is to lease (or buy) a brand new car. The vast and overwhelming majority of private motorists buy used cars, on the basis that the biggest cost with cars is depreciation, and the biggest hit with that is always in the first few years. Lease costs of new cars obviously reflect that. The average age of cars on U.K. roads is currently 10 years old and there are millions of cars that are more than 20 years old. It’s very rare to see cars broken down at the roadside these days and, when you do, it’s usually fairly new Jaguar / Land Rover products!
I appreciate that the up front cost of buying a car can be a prohibiting factor for many people (although you can get PCPs on used cars too) but, for those who are able, you can get a very decent car on the used market (and cover the running costs) with the amount that Motability customers hand over in sacrificed benefits (plus AP) and you own it or, if it’s a PCP, have a deposit at the end for your next car (PCPs are designed with this in mind). IMHO, this is a far more sensible (and far better value) option than leasing.
I agree. Its a very modern phenomenon, having to have a new car every 3 years. When I was young in the 80s and 90s, hardly anyone had a new car, unless it was a company car or one was in the upper echoleons of society. My Dad always made do with Reliants and was grateful to have a car. He used to say that he found it funny how people would point and laugh, when they were standing at a bus stop in the pouring rain, while he was in a dry car.
Obviously its a little different when experiencing a disability. People say we are spending £4k a year, but personally I feel that I was given Pip to help cope better with living life, so it doesn’t feel the same to me, than if I was spending £4k a year of money I earned through working.
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