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Just wondering if its to early to wonder what q1 will bring am hoping for some reduced AP as at the moment alot are sky high. All so chatting with motability the new honda civic will be joining in q1
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APs still increasing, waiting times being long. I’d like to see both the cheaper Fisker (not Q1) and BYD coming on scheme. I’d love to see a couple more EVs on scheme with batteries beyond 60kWh but even then you’ll be ordering in January to pick up 18 months later.
BYD are bringing the midsized Atto 3 to the UK. Whether or not it will join the scheme is another matter. Ora Cat 01 is also expected to launch heer this/next year.
Chinese owned SAIC motors has had a pressence in the UK for some time.
With most urban areas in Wales with a 20 mph speed limit and an increase in traffic calming even in rural areas, performance cars are really struggling chugging along in low gears. It is making electric vehicles and variants look more and more appealing. By a strange quirk, I can see people in rural communities gaining even more, by having space for solar and small wind power to top up batteries off grid.
For me I would like to see an EV Transit Custom with 5 seats and boot space for a scooter, wheelchair, assistance dog etc. The prices for the competition are around £40,000 and would expect to see the Ford a little dearer but still close to some of the existing large SUV’s on the scheme.
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Previous car:Peugeot 308 GT Premium 1.2 Pure tech Petrol.Hi everyone it might just be of interest to someone but I had a Nissan Qashqui e power for a whole afternoon a couple of weeks ago I tried all roads and I and around town ,smooth quiet and easy to drive.I drove as normal and at the end of the run the average mpg was 63 I was quite impressed
Then there’s the outlandish mpg manufacturers quote for PHEV, especially if like me regulary do 350 mile journeys. If your pottering around town or going to the supermarket and you can do so in EV mode you might see those figures, but, you may as well jump straight to EV if thats all your using it for providing you can have an home charger fitted.
We managed about 130mpg in our first drive ever with the GTE, over a 90ish mile journey, mixed both carriageway and motorway, with small city bits at the destination. Still a bit off the advertised economy, but good enough. I’ll go as far as to say that people who struggle to break 40mpg in a PHEV simply don’t understand how to use it.
That said, PHEV SUVs are somewhat.. stupid.
Two things that you can guarantee about cars built in China. Build quality will be atrocious and crash safety will also be dubious!
MGs are exclusively built in china (and so will the Smart #1 be). While no BMW or Mercedes, they certainly aren’t “atrocious” or “dubious” in crash safety. NCAP ratings are just as good as any other manufacturer.
People like to forget that china has some pretty high end manufacturing, because they’ve seen a knock off rolex once. Shenzhen is one of the, if not the global technology hubs. Don’t underestimate chinese manufacturing just because they have sweatshops too. Bloody Foxconn is.. well, taiwanese, but they produce in china.
Volvo is btw owned by Geely, and so is Polestar. Oh, and of course, Lotus.
They know their stuff – and while there are plenty of knock-off companies (Landwind and whatnot), which are probably (never seen one) atrocious, the main manufacturers there are competing with VW, Audi etc, so have to meet standards.
On top, one should not forget that China builds more cars annually than the entirety of europe (not EU), USA and japan combined. They’re not building cars in old soviet brick buildings anymore, and we as “the west” would do good to not forget that (or “conveniently look the other way” as we’ve done for the past decade or two), or get kerbstomped in capabilities in the future.
On topic: i’d also like to the the Smart #1, maybe the Kia EV4 (though that’s probably more likely in Q2). The new Civic would probably fit well too, as well as the Renault Austral (if the Megane E-Tech is anything to go by, quality improved massively). Less realistic (=unrealistic) would be the new X1. Honda C-RV would be a nice re-addition, as well as new e-308.
Generally, i’d like to see some big chonkers return, rather than filling the list with small to at best medium sized vehicles.
My “if only” wish: Ionic 5. We’ve waited 13 months on our new Lease now, if that makes it to the scheme i’ll cancel it that very day and order that – but, unlikely.
I think the most “wished for” thing on my list would be a change of MBs rules, to allow for more cars (insurance groups, starting price etc).
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.Whilst my comment about Chinese cars was a bit tongue in cheek (hence the use of the ? emoji), I hadn’t appreciated that MG cars were made there. Having driven literally hundreds of cars, I posted at the time that the MG HS, that I had as a hire car a few years ago (when our last VW was in for repair) was the second worst car I had driven in recent years by some margin and the in car ‘entertainment’ system was truly the worst I had ever seen. Also, one or two contributors to this forum have reported a catalogue of faults with more recent ones. So whilst any and all additions to the Motability scheme would indeed be welcome, I won’t be joining the rush to order any additions from the Peoples Republic of China!
Hi everyone it might just be of interest to someone but I had a Nissan Qashqui e power for a whole afternoon a couple of weeks ago I tried all roads and I and around town ,smooth quiet and easy to drive.I drove as normal and at the end of the run the average mpg was 63 I was quite impressed
That’s encouraging. We discounted the previous generation Qashqai as it was too cramped in the rear and the boot was too small, but I’m hoping that the all new model has addressed those issues as it’s a lovely looking car. If the Tekna+ ePower joined the scheme we would definitely take a look at it. The Tekna lacks a few things we would want .
Do those with technical knowledge know if the ePower setup has the same additional weight issues that affect PHEV’s, or is it a much lighter system?
Just to be clear I didn’t write this bit…I actually said the same as you regarding the powerhouse that is China.
Ian wrote:
Two things that you can guarantee about cars built in China. Build quality will be atrocious and crash safety will also be dubious!Looks like we have a second Ian. I have noted this and have amended the original poster name to differentiate.
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Do those with technical knowledge know if the ePower setup has the same additional weight issues that affect PHEV’s, or is it a much lighter system?
The battery on the Qashqui is 2.1Kw and will not have the weight issues as a PHEV’, whick have much larger batteries around 14Kw.
Do those with technical knowledge know if the ePower setup has the same additional weight issues that affect PHEV’s, or is it a much lighter system?
I’m not sure which issues you refer to, but the e-Power is roughly 210kg heavier than the DIG-T 158 (1459kg to 1670kg). Which is in line with any other PHEV in terms of weight gain, except you only get 15-20%ish of the battery size? It’s not even a PHEV in the first place, what am i missing?
From what i’ve read, i don’t necessarily understand the hype, with most people averaging (including Auto Express etc) around 44mpg. Am i looking at the wrong car?
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The MG ZS EV is carwow best family EV of the year, the MG4 drivingelectric car of the year. I don’t know anything about the HS, but at least these two are without a doubt good cars. Hence their popularity (ZS EV 5th most sold EV in the UK, and they’re clearly not falling apart left right and centre or killing their owners at breath taking speeds). Basing an opinion on “one or two” anecdotes, while literally thousands of people drive their car happily.. you do you. PS: the Golf 8 and ID3 have trouble with their infotainment systems too. That’s quite often what happens if you change from externally bought in software (MIB2) to in-house software (MIB3).
Just to be clear I didn’t write this bit…I actually said the same as you regarding the powerhouse that is China.
Bit confused – but i didn’t mean any personal harm either way, wasn’t directed at whoever i quoted.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.What would be good to see, is manufacturers putting higher spec vehicles back on the scheme.
Personally I would have liked to have seen the Qashqui E-power or X Trail E-power/E-4orce in Tekna trim join. The only down side is, we are still getting stupidious AP’s
I’m not sure which issues you refer to, but the e-Power is roughly 210kg heavier than the DIG-T 158 (1459kg to 1670kg). Which is in line with any other PHEV in terms of weight gain, except you only get 15-20%ish of the battery size? It’s not even a PHEV in the first place, what am i missing?
As a guide, because its difficult comparing like for like accross manufacturers.
The Qashqui E-power Tecna has a kerb weight of 1636kg, The Pug 3008 PHEV has a kerb weight of 1800kg, but the smaller last gen Kia Nero PHEV had a kerb weight of 1519kg and the bigger Kuga FHEV has a kerb weight 1855kg.
No worries Rene, I just wanted to be clear that I try very hard not to put opinions out which are not based on fact/data. When I saw my name quoting Ian wrote I just felt I needed to respond!
Absolutely no offence caused whatsoever…….
What would be good to see, is manufacturers putting higher spec vehicles back on the scheme. Personally I would have liked to have seen the Qashqui E-power or X Trail E-power/E-4orce in Tekna trim join. The only down side is, we are still getting stupidious AP’s
The QashQai Tekna is coming in January according to knowledgeable sources. Not sure the X-Trail will follow suit.
The issue with manufacturers adding higher spec is that they can sell these at full price quite easily, which would you rather do? Plus where do you think APs will go on them?
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Ironically AP for fancy cars should be as low as for cheaper, but the Faily Mail brigade really don’t like that ?
Though yes, plenty more money in retail (which is where BMW went)
"Come on BYD Seal!"Ironically AP for fancy cars should be as low as for cheaper, but the Faily Mail brigade really don’t like that
Though yes, plenty more money in retail (which is where BMW went)That can often be the case or used to be the case where some of the lowest level trim cars was more in Ap than the higher trim levels.
Now it seems some cars on the scheme the highest trim level are not even available and some of the lowest trim levels are available quicker than the higher trim. I guess the private buyers, don’t really want those very basic trim levels.
My main problem with the lowest trim levels is often the seats are not as good as in the higher trims and often there is no option to change the seats.
The issue with manufacturers adding higher spec is that they can sell these at full price quite easily, which would you rather do? Plus where do you think APs will go on them?
Oh I agree 100% manufacturers are able to sell at full RP How long they will continue to be able to this with inflation.
AP’s will undoubtably go further north than they already are, should they put higher specs on the scheme.
For me forementined cars on the scheme, but would be dicounted because they haven’t the essentials for our needs. If the higher trim came on I would very interested.
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