Potential rise in diesel APs

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  • #76131 Reply
    BigB

    Current used car market values indicate diesel vehicle prices are tumbling. If Motability have their fingers on the pulse this would necessitate the raising of diesel APs to maintain residual vehicle value at the end of contract.

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  • #76162 Reply
    Philjb

    I’ve got three years left but surely if it’s a Euro 6 car it won’t matter.

    Id buy one second hand.

     

    #76165 Reply
    SaintsMan

    All the fault of VAG.

    #76167 Reply
    moggy
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    Don’t be silly.

     

    #76168 Reply
    BigB

    The Volkswagen group have pending lawsuits throughout the world although they cannot be directly be held responsible for the residual value of diesel cars falling their fixing of emissions is a major contributor. I feel in Britain, the Labour government of the time must shoulder the blame for championing diesel over petrol by penalising carbon monoxide emmissions and turning a blind eye to diesel particulates.

    My wife who has end stage COPD is very sensitive to emmissions, when travelling in our car her condition is exacerbated if we are behind a diesel vehicle which indicates to me diesels are in the words of Jeremy Clarkston “The fuel of the devil”,

    #76173 Reply
    moggy
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    Hi BigB

    There was a major report in 2112 stating that Diesel cars in the real world were seven times more polluting with NOx than manufactures claims. It was estimated that 12,000 premature deaths in the uk alone and over 70,000 in Europe was due to Diesel particulates especially in our cities. Dieselgate didn’t help but countries around the world were already banning Diesels from there cities                                                                                   Soon it will be Petrols turn, are people going to blame VW for that too.

    #76174 Reply
    moggy
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    Sorry that should be 2012

    #76177 Reply
    Philjb

    Probably moggy.

    These days my brain capacity can’t take in large amounts of info, it’s taken me ages to type this. But I just want a vehicle that is reasonably good on fuel and easy to fill and drive, modern diesels suit my driving style, so that’s what I buy.

    I really don’t want to be looking around for a charge point if I need to get to an appointment etc.

    Plus I don’t want a cvt gearbox many electric and hybrids have.

    Our borough will take years and years to create enough charge  points, let alone remote areas to cope with demand for electric cars.

    Some folk don’t have drives so that will be a big problem for inner cities.

    #76201 Reply
    SaintsMan

    2112 moggy!!!

    We have assumed control.

    #76202 Reply
    Rico

    the fuel cell is the way of the future as it does not cripple the oil industry and is probably why bp and shell have offered out some grants to manufacture for developing this.

     

    #76203 Reply
    Rico

    Forgot to add I would be quite happy with petrol if they halved the AP of the nicer petrols and got rid of the ap for the guzzling ones, because let’s face it most of us do need a big car (not all i know, but most). I could not afford to keep running a petrol as I have started doing a regular 154 mile round trip twice a week due to my father being ill and drive into london to specialist once a month. so 30mpg was just not going to cut it and over a year when I worked it out I would be spending over 1000 more on fuel than a even bigger car with diesel.. the only way I would see the benefit of a petrol, is if my ap was about 2000 less than the same specced diesel as I would be just throwing money away.

     

    I live in a small town, shopping is 20 minute motorway drive, hospital is a 30 or 40, or even 55 minute drive depending on where they send you so to me a petrol just won’t cut it in the long run

    #76209 Reply
    vinalspin
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    I only average 32mpg from my diesel ? Blasted thing!

    #76211 Reply
    Rico

    eeek vinyl what is it? I have not even had mine a week and already got 45 and its not run in yet, are you in a big city?

    #76212 Reply
    BigB

    Hi Rico,

    I agree with you, anyone doing high mileage and long journeys is quids in driving a diesel motor. Unfortunately the recent bad publicity given to diesels has resulted in a fall in their second hand values, we know that Motability make adjustments to APs to factor this in and I would speculate we will see a rise in diesel APs.

    I personally drive a two litre petrol car, the mileage isn’t great and performance is nothing to write home about, however as I do relatively low mileage and need a large car it suits my current needs. Best driving car I have had was a Honda Civic with  a 2.2 litre diesel engine constantly got over 60mpg and performance was pretty good too.

    #76215 Reply
    vinalspin
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    Seat Alhambra SE Lux 2l TDi 184DSG

    32K at 80% motorway @ 70 on cruise.

    #76217 Reply
    Philjb

    Well Vw gave me a lot higher then wba for our old TDI dog with 175k on the clock

    it’s had a dpf so was a Euro 5 for emissions.

    It drove better before I got rid of it then it ever did.

    Regularly 50’s mpg prob ended up auctioned and is someone’s mini cab?

    Bargain for someone.

    I’ve had petrol cars in the last few years an mx5 that did 36 mpg even with a turbo conversion.

    but it was bought when I wasn’t as I am now and was finding it more and more uncomfortable and harder to get in and out.

    before that I had a 700ps twin turbo v8 which did around 12- 28 mpg  depending how it was driven but you could only use super unleaded in it, I took it around Scotland once from London and did about 1600 miles in 3 days and loved it.

    But that itch was scratched so I got my money back on it in just under a year.

     

    Now I do high miles as my family and grandkids are spread out all over the country.

    So I need a reliable car with good mpg and little hassle as we  love baby sitting duties whenever we can.

    There will be lots of new diesel car dealers in rural areas, buying from London dealers and making big profits.

    But if the AP goes up I’d still find the money. Or buy this one from the scheme if it really is that cheap.

    #76223 Reply
    vinalspin
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    Poor residuals don’t transfer down from motability at the end of your lease, they still want top money from you.

    I had a friend a few years ago given a silly figure at the end of his lease and he managed to buy his car back from a dealer who got it at auction for nearly 2 grand less even with the dealer’s profit on top.

    #76225 Reply
    BigB

    Vinalspin,

    I agree with your comment re residual prices Motability are offering clients but look at the APS for cars which depreciate drastically e.g. the Dacia Duster high AP for a relatively cheap car. After three year lease value has dropped like a rock hence high AP. I reckon similar high APs are going to be imposed on diesels as their resale values tumble.

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