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A few questions for those of you who have a Plug-in Hybrid.
Is it worth it?
What do you think of them?
Would you have another ?
My order window opens tomorrow and I did say I would stick with BEVs but I’m Disappointed with the way APs are going and the lack of range of those that are still available, so I’ve got to look at other options and It would be silly to not make use of the charger that I already have installed.
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Isn’t it interesting how many of us went down the PHEV route and haven’t been impressed?
Not really. It just shows who couldn’t be bothered to read into it, which is on them. And somewhat proven here as well, with people not even knowing how much of the total propulsion is provided by the electric motor. You really can’t complain or “not be impressed” with the power of the electric motor when you didn’t know how much power it has in the first place – before you order the car, preferably. PHEVs have an admittedly narrower use case than other cars, that said.. The fact that people are insistent that something is bad, rather than accepting that their expectations are simply unrealistic or stupid is beyond funny nowadays. In this thread alone you have people complaining that the car in its most economical setting “doesn’t make 300bhp”, didn’t know how much power it has in the first place, are “bothered” by plugging the car in (a process that literally takes less than 15 seconds) etc. It’s the same kind of people who buy a 330d, drive it 2 miles up town and back and wonder why they’re only averaging 17mpg, and the heater doesn’t work. Yeah, if you don’t use the car as intended, then who’d have thought, it’s not going to work out great. We didn’t get a diesel because it’d be moronic to do so in our use case – i cannot fathom why this is such a foreign concept to the vast majority of people here. Neither can i fathom how someone with our requirements looks at a diesel and goes “yeah, lets get this, makes sense”. No, PHEVs aren’t bad. You bought the wrong car, because you didn’t “do your research” before/think it through. PHEVs very much work for many people, over a total of 34 months of “ownership” we drove the GTE 16k miles, with a fuel bill (total) of around £870 – and that’s exclusively “Momentum” (and EV tariff). This is the same nonsense as people who can’t charge at home, were warned that EVs aren’t economical to run on public chargers, bought them anyway and then complain about how expensive an EV is to run. Own your mistakes. Things like this sentence:
I realise that the stated bhp is a bit of a joke as you only get it when you floor it with a charged battery and the engine kicks in
.. yeah? What else would you suggest? State the petrol only bhp? State the electric only bhp? What’s the alternative? You can’t give people like you the actual precise numbers either because then two days later you come back to the dealership complaining that on the dyno, the car made a noticeably smaller number than motor+engine numbers should add up to – naturally, considering they peak their power at different ranges on the revband – so the actual numbers are completely meaningless, what matters is the combined horsepower – and that’s the number you get quoted.
I can talk for myself only and with the focus on cx-60 PHEV. I did do lots of research, watched hours of videos and to get me to the old office and back home it had enough battery. But the car spent too much time in the garage: four recalls, issues with the systems etc.
Beyond that people in videos really liked the car – punchy, accelerating etc. I cannot take any car for a test because Motability doesn’t enforce its suppliers to provide test vehicles with left foot accelerator, hence I rely heavily on “influencers”, specifically Mat Watson.
And mea culpa – he never said to go with PHEV . I think his suggestion was diesel.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)We are on our second PHEV so know what to expect, to date we have had 2 litre diesel for years, plus we tow a caravan. Our first PHEV 2020 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 very good economical vehicle especially charging up off peak at 5 pence a kWh and in those days free at Tesco, It did not perform as well as out previous Ford Kuga 2 litre diesel power shift especially as a tow car, but was at least 25% of the running cost. In the summer 28/30 miles EV in the winter nearer 13 miles, when the battery was depleted 35 mpg, when E5 changed to E10 we noticed towing dropped from 30/31 mpg to 26/27 mpg. When the battery was depleted it drove as hybrid, when towing with a depleted battery is was basically horrible, noisy with flat performance, at that point I wished I had my old Ford Kuga.
In August we changed to a Suzuki Across (rebadged Toyota RAV4 PHEV), I had had my eye on one for year, despite the hefty £6999 AP I wanted a decent tow vehicle, to date the Suzuki Across has been faultless it tow like a steam train putting many diesel to shame, with a depleted battery no drop off in performance, with a depleted battery we regularly see over 50 mpg even in the winter, towing we see 36/38 mpg plus, with a depleted battery around 32/34 mpg all on E10, ideally I would love to extend the lease in August 2026.
We did look at the Mazda C60 after reading the road test, towing reviews plus seeing one in the carpark we gave them a wide berth.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
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