pip appeal update

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  • #64423 Reply

    paulhelliwell

    just an update to say i got my motability award back at appeal today took 11 months though but worth it in the end

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  • #64426 Reply

    ChrisK
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    Mine was bad enough at 6 months but glad to see your through it now.

    Last April when I won my appeal the DWP were losing at something like 7 out of 10 cases so the Right Honourable MP Richard Head, Dick to friends, should get off their backsides and look into this mammoth fail.

    #64427 Reply

    Trev
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    Congratulations Paul, but as Chris says it’s just not acceptable people are being put through this turmoil.

    So are looking to rejoin the scheme?

    #64439 Reply

    paulhelliwell

    yes it is time they looked into it,they are loosing too many appeals and as you said WE should’nt be put through this our disabilitys are bad enough without the worry of all this. As for rejoing the scheme i bought a car as couldn’t go anywhere without one and at the moment with the lead times and everything else i think i will wait a bit longer until things settle down,but yes in the long run i will be back on the scheme soon.

    #64461 Reply

    Robert

    Glad to hear you won. It’s a battle that we shouldn’t have to go through.

    I was in the same position last year and like you, I had to buy a car. Even though I bought a nearly new car I miss the “security blanket” that Motability gives members. Having to pay for insurance, tyres, servicing, breakdown cover etc. Then there is the what if it breaks down scenario, so thats another expense as extended warranties don’t come free.

    When I won my appeal I was fortunate to receive the higher mobility rate AND the lower care/daily needs. I use the money from both to pay for my car and keep the excess in a separate account to cover expenses and to save for the next car.

    As far as rejoining Motability goes, like you, I am waiting for things to settle down. In the meantime I’ve been looking at other options. Lease car deals are appealing as you have a better choice of higher spec cars than Motability offers, and they don’t cost that much more depending on milage, however there is still insurance on top and a maintenance package.

    So let’s hope someone eventually sorts out the pip mess.

     

    #64463 Reply

    Trev
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    I don’t think the system will change much – the emphasis will be on putting off people for applying for a benefit they are entitled to, rather than ensuring those entitled have an easy and fair application process. I’m sure there will be government statistics somewhere that show how much they are ‘saving’ from people entitled to the benefit that don’t apply…. or am i just being over cynical?

    #64490 Reply

    ChrisK
    Participant

    No your not being cynical Trev although I’m the only one in our family that’s on PIP I’ve read countless stories in the papers and on TV of ex long term DLA folk getting a lower score with PIP then settling for what they have been given, even if it’s the wrong score, simply because their afraid if they go to appeal they would get their award lower even further.

    I’m not one that would normally give up on things like this but the stress it causes nearly had me give up while waiting for an appeal date and lucky for me the very night before I received the letter with an appeal date I was saying to her in doors that I don’t know if I can stand the stress it was causing myself and my wife but you I sit and think about telling them “to hell with it I will take what I’ve been given” then 5 minutes pass and I think no way they are not getting away with this.

    But I do understand why folk give up.

    #64707 Reply

    Rapster
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    Sadly, I know two people who should never have been on DLA Higher Mobility but got it anyway as it was just too easy to get. They haven’t been awarded PIP and probably quite rightly as one just shrugged his shoulders, took the money offered by Motability Transitional Package and went back to work on a building site. There were plenty like him on DLA. The other example was his wife, who just carried on working in her cafe.

    I also have a neighbour who does my shopping for me on occasion, walks in the 10K (or 10 miles?) Birmingham Walkathon thing and is on Higher Rate DLA but as he was over 65 on changeover date he’ll never be reassessed for PIP and will just get DLA for the rest of his life instead. I was really surprised when I found out he was on Higher Rate Mobility and Low Rate Care. He loves his ‘free car’, by the way. That’s what he calls it, because the Government ‘owes him’ as he didn’t save up for a private pension himself as he was self employed, that wasn’t his responsibility and because he worked his whole life, he is now ‘owed’. (He used to boast of how much tax he’d avoided paying over the years.)

    So yes, I agree, the bar has been set higher and a lot of how this is carried out is plain wrong but something had to be done and in some respects I am glad it was as there were/are plenty who abused the system.

    #64722 Reply

    boomarang
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    Rapster

    To be clear and so you and others understand

    All benefits are open to further review and there is no such thing as a guaranteed benefit for life.

    This has to be the case as ones condition can/may get worse as well as improve.

    P/S Best not to Gossip and be judge and jury as many people do have hidden conditions

     

    #64725 Reply

    Trev
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    I agree @boomarang sorry @rapster but feel the forum is not the place to discuss others you may or may not know, as to what their conditions are and benefits they are claiming. It is unfair as they have no right to reply.

    There will always be benefit cheats, regardless of the system, informing the appropriate authority is better than discussing any concerns on a forum.

    Note that PIP isn’t an assessment of your ability to work, that’s ESA.

    It is a condition of all award benefits that if your situation changes you must inform the DWP.

     

     

    #64730 Reply

    ChrisK
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    There is nothing wrong with the DWP checking eligibility of PIP claimants but the problems with the system of checking is (1) the person who checks you is not qualified to check your disability though some can be lucky and get someone who is.

    Then (2) the Mandatory Reconsideration, this is a complete joke and when you point out to the DWP errors of there way and they have got it wrong you simply get an answer of “our health professionals are good at their job so we stand by their assessments”.

    This response is much like we get from the government and their Labour counterparts that’s is faceless, spineless, yellow bellied cowards who will not come face to face to us and justify their their actions.

    #64732 Reply

    Trev
    Moderator

    Too right Chris,

    I had a physio assessing me for mental health conditions, though i provided supporting evidence from my psychiatrist and psychologist.

    I feel that a fairer system would be to get the medical professional whom you’re under the care of to complete the descriptor questionnaire. If you are not under the care of a medical professional then an assessment should be carried out but by a specialist in the correct field.

    I do wonder if the mandatory reconsideration is one purely if the DWP misinterpreted the report and not to challange the report itself.

    #64745 Reply

    Oscarmax
    Participant

    A young mother across the road from us went into hospital she caught a superbug and nearly died, we caught up  with her and her family, she was in blue badge parking space and looked very well no visible disability if fact looked extremely healthy. Recent we have heard she is extremely ill.

    It is not up to us to be judge and jury we got the enough problems with the general public ATOS etc to do that job.

    There is and old saying ‘if you cannot say anything nice say nothing at all’.

    #64746 Reply

    Oscarmax
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    Anyway Paul what cars have you got your eyes on

    #64780 Reply

    Rapster
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    I think some of you guys failed to understand what I wrote. The people I outlined had nothing wrong with them that would’ve made them eligible for those benefits. They saw that it was easy to get them, back in the day you could basically self certify, and they took the action to apply as they had been told what to do by others. It was easy money for quite a few people.

    The second guy, my neighbour, freely admits (of course not to everybody) that he claims DLA Higher Rate because it was easy to get and not because he is entitled to it but because he is ‘owed’. I really have no idea why he thinks he’s owed and by whom but he does. He thinks that every government has let him down, personally let him down.

    And of course, without doubt, these people are entitled to their anonymity.

    I find it a little amusing that some of you think that simply mentioning that fraud occurs is somehow forbidden and shouldn’t be mentioned and is somehow insulting to someone.

    #64788 Reply

    Red Hat

    To be honest I couldn’t care less if someone is “at it” or not, I let the Daily Mail readers worry about that.  I have never grassed on anyone who I thought was claiming benefits and never would. When you have members of the House of Lords claiming PIP and are entitled to a mobility car along with their fellow members all 800 of them who turn up for their £300 a day allowance I would say good luck to anyone claiming PIP or any benefit. If they are entitled to it that is all that matters.

    #64789 Reply

    ChrisK
    Participant

    Hi Rapster

    Where not failing to see your point of view and you are correct there are fraudsters that took advantage of the fact there was no checking of eligibility with DLA just a simple form where you said “I can’t walk” and that’s it, your in. There’s a guy who comes down our road with a ladder and bucket doing a spot of window cleaning, he’s been doing it for years but last year someone told me he was on DLA and was gobbed smacked but it might have just been gossip, I don’t know but I’m sure PIP would have sorted him out but…

    Our gripe is how the system is set up not only to get the fraudster but also knocked off disable folk who can’t defend themselves.

    Of course once all the DLA folk have moved over to PIP, if they qualify, then its just a matter of the system checking folk as they become disabled so less costly and no need for failed NHS staff to do a job they have no understanding of but can’t help feeling this is all about cutting cost and not giving money or help to those who need it.

    Cameron was told at the time the system would take down genuine disabled folk but their answer to that was “well they’ve got the appeals system” and having worked in the construction trade the only court I’d ever seen was one I was helping to build, discounting jury service.

    If truth was known this has cost the tax payer a lot more money than they though they would save and putting aside how much a Judge and Doctor cost at the appeals stage and DWP losing 70% of cases tells us what the real aim was in the DLA to PIP change, that and the fact that no one from the DWP even turn up at the appeals court to defend there side and the court clerk for my case told me they rarely do.

    Still all over for me now and got maximum time award and a letter from a fully qualified Judge and Doctor as proof of my disability should the DWP care to try it on again. Just a shame there were no fully qualified health officials that could have told them that 6 months before.

    #64791 Reply

    Rapster
    Participant

    I’ve never heard the term ‘at it’ before, @Red Hat, is that a  southern/northern/western/eastern thing?

    Where I grew up (moved around a little), ‘at it’ meant doing something adult with a member of the opposite/same sex. lol

    #64792 Reply

    Rapster
    Participant

    I totally agree with your post, @chrisk. I have a close friend who has MS and he can barely walk and by that, I mean that he can barely stand and then put one foot in front of the other. He shakes like a sonofa— and his whole right side is pretty much totally paralysed. He can still move his arm and leg but can’t move his hand/foot nor bend elbow/knee, etc.

    I was gobsmacked when his PIP assessment found him with 4 points mobility, 6 points care!? lol

    I wrote a letter for him and sent it with the MR and they awarded him maximum mobility and care without having to go any further. There was a note of apology in the post, too.

     

    P.S. I also agree with you that this is just a cost cutting exercise, cutting costs from the most needy and also shaming and stigmatising at the same time.

    #64802 Reply

    boomarang
    Participant

    ChrisK

    I agree with what you say and just to add

    Fact and figures show that few people have ever abused the system and I suspect that figure to be now even smaller under PIP.
    The past failure in not reassessing those DLA claimants quite simply left some over awarded and some under awarded.
    DLA imo simply needed updating (A lot cheaper/fairer in the long run me thinks)

    Anyone who fails (for whatever reason) to submit a strong supported PIP application will unsurprisingly fail to gain their deserved award.
    The biggest problem today imo is in finding/choosing that correct PIP support when and if it is needed.
    Funding for such support was purposely and drastically reduced many yrs ago.
    (All part of their plan)
    Also the PIP qualifying criteria has been constantly changed over the yrs to make it harder to win the deserved level of award or indeed any award at all.
    (All part of their plan)

    A well written and supported application can quite often win you an award although your application may initially fail and then fail again at MR stage the Tribunal system has proven to be the main saviour.

    The PIP process can be a steeplechase which is not the best thing for those with disabilities but it is imo quite deliberate in its design.

     

    #64805 Reply

    Red Hat

    Rapster “At it” means what you think it means only in a different context. I wasn’t having a go at you by the way, I was mainly generalising. I just can’t get annoyed or bothered about who is and who is not entitled to claim DLA/PIP or any benefit. I expect more and more people will be desperate enough to try anything and with the stress of Universal Credit rolling out I expect more people will develop mental illness and claim PIP. Lots of people who claim PIP are even afraid to take regular exercise in case they get told on and their payment stops. I would like to see Universal Basic Income and do away with the means tested benefit altogether.

    #64806 Reply

    Rapster
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    Hey @Red Hat, Universal Credit – don’t, just don’t, I can’t see those words without shuddering…

    And no, I didn’t think you were having a go at me but thanks for clarifying. 🙂

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