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I cannot believe the PHEV AP on the scheme only 3 Toyota CH-R designs on the scheme starting at £1495 – nearly £2,000, Kia/Hyundai £2000 + , the rest £3,000, ££4,000 the majority north of £5,000 crazy.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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It will be interesting to see what happens to the APs on PHEVs this year.
I can’t help but feel that the recently announced plan to impose a pence per mile surcharge on PHEV drivers in two years time (which is only 1.5p a mile initially, but will inevitably rise in the future) is going to slow the speed of PHEV take up. Also, the U.K. will have no option but to move the 2030/35 changeover dates back if and when the EU moves back to 2040, as it would be economically damaging for us to be an outlier (not that our current government understands economics 🙄). Manufacturers may have to start throwing even bigger incentives than they currently do in order to persuade people, which could flow through into APs.
As a PHEV driver myself, I would urge people to think carefully before switching and to do the maths which, as with EVs, needs to be based on real world, not claimed, range. For journeys that we can do in EV mode only, it works out at the equivalent of 80mpg (we don’t have a discounted electricity tariff). Not as cheap as an EV (which would be a much better option for those who can charge at home and don’t do long journeys) but cheaper than a normal ICE car. The problem is when the battery is depleted, as you are lugging around a very heavy car with a very modest petrol engine. The end result (in our case) is mpg that is worse than our previous ICE car, which we didn’t have the faff of charging!
The other factor is that not all PHEVs are the same. Toyota seem to be the best at this and others may be good as well, but our Hyundai PHEV doesn’t seem to be as good as others. Our claimed 38 miles when fully charged is, in reality, less than 30 in the winter. Last night I had to do a 28 mile round trip. The car said I had 38 miles in EV when I started, but the battery was depleted 1 mile before I got home, so 38 miles became 27!
I cannot believe the PHEV AP on the scheme only 3 Toyota CH-R designs on the scheme starting at £1495 – nearly £2,000, Kia/Hyundai £2000 + , the rest £3,000, ££4,000 the majority north of £5,000 crazy.
Any particular reason looking for PHEV? Perhaps if you drive 40 miles a day top, but even then?
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
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Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)It will be interesting to see what happens to the APs on PHEVs this year. I can’t help but feel that the recently announced plan to impose a pence per mile surcharge on PHEV drivers in two years time (which is only 1.5p a mile initially, but will inevitably rise in the future) is going to slow the speed of PHEV take up. Also, the U.K. will have no option but to move the 2030/35 changeover dates back if and when the EU moves back to 2040, as it would be economically damaging for us to be an outlier (not that our current government understands economics
). Manufacturers may have to start throwing even bigger incentives than they currently do in order to persuade people, which could flow through into APs. As a PHEV driver myself, I would urge people to think carefully before switching and to do the maths which, as with EVs, needs to be based on real world, not claimed, range. For journeys that we can do in EV mode only, it works out at the equivalent of 80mpg (we don’t have a discounted electricity tariff). Not as cheap as an EV (which would be a much better option for those who can charge at home and don’t do long journeys) but cheaper than a normal ICE car. The problem is when the battery is depleted, as you are lugging around a very heavy car with a very modest petrol engine. The end result (in our case) is mpg that is worse than our previous ICE car, which we didn’t have the faff of charging! The other factor is that not all PHEVs are the same. Toyota seem to be the best at this and others may be good as well, but our Hyundai PHEV doesn’t seem to be as good as others. Our claimed 38 miles when fully charged is, in reality, less than 30 in the winter. Last night I had to do a 28 mile round trip. The car said I had 38 miles in EV when I started, but the battery was depleted 1 mile before I got home, so 38 miles became 27!We are fortunate our Suzuki Across is a rebadged Toyota RAV4 PHEV, however given the high AP’s being asked financially it makes no sense, you would be better off with a self charging hybrid or petrol/diesel.
There’s also the asking AP for some of the quite low priced EV at £4,000 + in July will we be priced off the scheme.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the APs on PHEVs this year. I can’t help but feel that the recently announced plan to impose a pence per mile surcharge on PHEV drivers in two years time (which is only 1.5p a mile initially, but will inevitably rise in the future) is going to slow the speed of PHEV take up. Also, the U.K. will have no option but to move the 2030/35 changeover dates back if and when the EU moves back to 2040, as it would be economically damaging for us to be an outlier (not that our current government understands economics
). Manufacturers may have to start throwing even bigger incentives than they currently do in order to persuade people, which could flow through into APs. As a PHEV driver myself, I would urge people to think carefully before switching and to do the maths which, as with EVs, needs to be based on real world, not claimed, range. For journeys that we can do in EV mode only, it works out at the equivalent of 80mpg (we don’t have a discounted electricity tariff). Not as cheap as an EV (which would be a much better option for those who can charge at home and don’t do long journeys) but cheaper than a normal ICE car. The problem is when the battery is depleted, as you are lugging around a very heavy car with a very modest petrol engine. The end result (in our case) is mpg that is worse than our previous ICE car, which we didn’t have the faff of charging! The other factor is that not all PHEVs are the same. Toyota seem to be the best at this and others may be good as well, but our Hyundai PHEV doesn’t seem to be as good as others. Our claimed 38 miles when fully charged is, in reality, less than 30 in the winter. Last night I had to do a 28 mile round trip. The car said I had 38 miles in EV when I started, but the battery was depleted 1 mile before I got home, so 38 miles became 27!We are fortunate our Suzuki Across is a rebadged Toyota RAV4 PHEV, however given the high AP’s being asked financially it makes no sense, you would be better off with a self charging hybrid or petrol/diesel. There’s also the asking AP for some of the quite low priced EV at £4,000 + in July will we be priced off the scheme.
Glos Guy as for your 38 miles became 27, our 2020 Outlander PHEV with the same size battery this time of year 14/15 miles if you were lucky.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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