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Thought I would start a thread to compare the modern PHEV on the Mobility scheme, it would nice so see how each model compares against another, it would be nice to see if someone would create a thread for Hybrid .
The important thing for all of us is running cost
With our Suzuki Across this month we have covered 720 miles all in EV we have used no petrol we are now seeing due to the colder weather around 52/53 miles on a charger with the heating and aircon, the other day it was very cold we only achieved 46 miles. In August and early September we were seeing 56/58 miles no heating or aircon on.
720 miles total cost £27.24 179.2 kWh
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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My figures don’t include my 4 week/ monthly Mobility component allowance, paying such a high AP was stupid on my part, I let my head rule my heart, on a plus side a brilliant and reliable towing vehicle. This time I have gone for the Enyaq with the AP £995, even using public charging points towing over 3 years I will still be financially better off, plus I can charge up at the caravan site for £7.
You always wanted a RAV4 and you technically had one, which had a hybrid system like no other. I doubt you will hold a similar high opinion of the Enyak after 3 years, as you did the Across however, you are being wise trying an EV on the scheme than going out and buying one.
Is your PV battery still working i.e not discharging into the car?
It not discharging into the car, we are staying with the standard Octopus Go less hassle for such a small gain
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I had every intention of extending for 12 months the walking, however for some reason Skoda updated the towing weight from 1200 to 2000kg, plus the AP dropped £1000.
I am just going to treat as a cheap tow car, let’s see what happens in the next 3 years I doubt they will be much of the scheme left after all these Muppet’s finish
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I have written permission from Instavolt to charge up unhitch as long as traffic can get by
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Well the Suzuki Across is now just over 3 years old here are my electric and fuel consumption, mileage and running cost over 36 months. Mileage 22530 kWh 4937.35 kWh Cost £518.72 Litres 785.90 Average MPG £142.18 Fuel Cost £1114 Total Cost £1633.21 Average MPG 142.18 The bad bit AP £6999 less the £750 = £6249, so in reality although I achieved low running cost overall with the high AP , my total cost over 36 months including AP £7888.21 or £218.95 a month.
Interesting stats. For the benefit of those who don’t understand that the mpg quoted in PHEVs is nonsense, as it assumes that all miles travelled in EV mode cost nothing, your total running costs (petrol plus charging costs) equate to 7.25p per mile. Based on the average price that you paid for petrol, that equates to a true mpg equivalent (had all that expenditure been on petrol alone) of 89.1 mpg. Still hugely impressive, but obviously not 142 mpg. None the less, it’s more than double the true mpg equivalent that I was achieving in my PHEV.
As you know, the true mpg equivalent that PHEV drivers will achieve will vary enormously, depending on two main factors. Firstly, what proportion of their mileage is run on electric. The higher the EV mileage, the lower the true mpg equivalent. Conversely, if you regularly drive beyond the limited EV range then due to the added weight of the (depleted) battery, mpg during those miles can be less than a comparable ICE car. It sounds like, in your case, you are in the sweet spot where a PHEV works out perfectly.
The second factor is charging costs. I was on a standard tariff, so whilst running in EV mode was still cheaper than petrol, those with cheap tariffs will get much lower costs again.
There is, of course, another factor which is engine and battery efficiency. Toyota (which the Suzuki presumably has) are amongst the best at this PHEV malarkey. Conversely, the Hyundai that I had was far less compelling. Combined with the fact that I often went over the EV range and was on a standard tariff, my true mpg equivalent was less than half what you have achieved and in fact less than the 2.0i ICE car that it had replaced!
My conclusion, after 2 years of PHEV driving, was that they are ideal for some people, but don’t make enormous sense for others. Those who drive their PHEVs almost exclusively in EV mode would be far better off with a full EV. Those who regularly exceed the limited EV range would likely be better off with almost any other type of car – EV, self charging hybrid or even standard ICE (as I proved in my case).
Do Tesla Supercharger sites have caravan caravan friendly chargers?
Define “friendly “?
1. If you mean a very long charging cable, which can extend through the caravan to the car – I never saw such a long cable.
2. Same if you mean to park with the front bumper to the charger, having charging flap at the back (like Skoda or Tesla have) – I don’t think the cable is long enough.
3. If you mean parking with the front of the vehicle with the charging flap at the front – should be perfectly well I would have thought.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 - September 2026 (won my case with Ombudsman)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019Well the Suzuki Across is now just over 3 years old here are my electric and fuel consumption, mileage and running cost over 36 months. Mileage 22530 kWh 4937.35 kWh Cost £518.72 Litres 785.90 Average MPG £142.18 Fuel Cost £1114 Total Cost £1633.21 Average MPG 142.18 The bad bit AP £6999 less the £750 = £6249, so in reality although I achieved low running cost overall with the high AP , my total cost over 36 months including AP £7888.21 or £218.95 a month.
Interesting stats. For the benefit of those who don’t understand that the mpg quoted in PHEVs is nonsense, as it assumes that all miles travelled in EV mode cost nothing, your total running costs (petrol plus charging costs) equate to 7.25p per mile. Based on the average price that you paid for petrol, that equates to a true mpg equivalent (had all that expenditure been on petrol alone) of 89.1 mpg. Still hugely impressive, but obviously not 142 mpg. None the less, it’s more than double the true mpg equivalent that I was achieving in my PHEV. As you know, the true mpg equivalent that PHEV drivers will achieve will vary enormously, depending on two main factors. Firstly, what proportion of their mileage is run on electric. The higher the EV mileage, the lower the true mpg equivalent. Conversely, if you regularly drive beyond the limited EV range then due to the added weight of the (depleted) battery, mpg during those miles can be less than a comparable ICE car. It sounds like, in your case, you are in the sweet spot where a PHEV works out perfectly. The second factor is charging costs. I was on a standard tariff, so whilst running in EV mode was still cheaper than petrol, those with cheap tariffs will get much lower costs again. There is, of course, another factor which is engine and battery efficiency. Toyota (which the Suzuki presumably has) are amongst the best at this PHEV malarkey. Conversely, the Hyundai that I had was far less compelling. Combined with the fact that I often went over the EV range and was on a standard tariff, my true mpg equivalent was less than half what you have achieved and in fact less than the 2.0i ICE car that it had replaced! My conclusion, after 2 years of PHEV driving, was that they are ideal for some people, but don’t make enormous sense for others. Those who drive their PHEVs almost exclusively in EV mode would be far better off with a full EV. Those who regularly exceed the limited EV range would likely be better off with almost any other type of car – EV, self charging hybrid or even standard ICE (as I proved in my case).
My figure are based on both electric and E10 petrol over the past 36 months?
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Do Tesla Supercharger sites have caravan caravan friendly chargers?
Unfortunately no Tesla chargers, however you can plug in your granny charger into the caravan outside socket and charge up for £7 per day.
So sites we use have 7/22 kWh chargers 40 pence a kWh
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Do Tesla Supercharger sites have caravan caravan friendly chargers?
The Tesla ones at Scotch Corner (A66/A1(M)) certainly aren’t.
When the ‘Caravan Club’ (I do have other less polite names for them) were making their annual pilgrimage to/from Appleby Horse Fair and stopped to charge their ‘acquired’ Tesla’s, it was carnage in the hotel car park where the superchargers are, with caravans abandoned all over the spot!
Tesla charging model is streets ahead of the competition, She’ll seem to always be out of action, both Instavolt and IONITY reliable but expensive.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Do Tesla Supercharger sites have caravan caravan friendly chargers?
Define “friendly “? 1. If you mean a very long charging cable, which can extend through the caravan to the car – I never saw such a long cable. 2. Same if you mean to park with the front bumper to the charger, having charging flap at the back (like Skoda or Tesla have) – I don’t think the cable is long enough. 3. If you mean parking with the front of the vehicle with the charging flap at the front – should be perfectly well I would have thought.
Ideally I was after a simple answer for a simple man like myself😂
Drive in as if you driving an HGV with trailer on back and plug in or like this?
Do Tesla Supercharger sites have caravan caravan friendly chargers?
Unfortunately no Tesla chargers, however you can plug in your granny charger into the caravan outside socket and charge up for £7 per day. So sites we use have 7/22 kWh chargers 40 pence a kWh
That would be 16A (3,5kWh) from the outside hook up point?
The outside hook up point is rated a 16a, the granny charger will only pull 10 amps maximum, the outside socket is 13 amp.
The Caravan club will only allow you to charge up via your caravan 13 amp socket only or at there dedicated EV chargers.
Got it sussed 100% full charge (latest 85 battery 79 kWh usable) Banbury 70 miles (approximately 35 kWh) charge 10/20% £10/20, next Winchester Hub for a splash and dash 10 kWh £10 (just in case) 70 miles, then new Forest 30 miles reckon on 90 kWh in the summer, 100 kWh in September. I am looking around £30 to charge plus a charge at home, about the same as the Suzuki.
Alternatively I could stop off at a Caravan Club site overnight charge up for £7.00.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Well I of to the New Forest in the morning, hopefully the dedicated EV charger is till faulty, it is 10 kWh for £4.00, however is still keep regardless when it reaches 10 kWh, the warden tells me its been like that from day one.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Enjoy – hope the weather holds out!
weather good, and the site EV charger still faulty fully charge for £4.14, as it is hardly used hopefully they will not repair it, I will punished it with the Enyaq
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Back from the New Forest petrol £42.50 ? , anyway this is the last fill until we collect the Enyaq 85 according to the dealer estimated December/January. cannot how much the price of fuel has shop up.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
My Brother in law just bought an MG HS PHEV ex demo 3000 miles £25.000 it’s the trophy with power boot etc he getting 75 miles in electric and says it’s very fast 0 to 60 in 6 seconds looks lovely in metallic red . Is the downside when it switches to petrol it’s just 40 mpg ? So I’ve read
My Brother in law just bought an MG HS PHEV ex demo 3000 miles £25.000 it’s the trophy with power boot etc he getting 75 miles in electric and says it’s very fast 0 to 60 in 6 seconds looks lovely in metallic red . Is the downside when it switches to petrol it’s just 40 mpg ? So I’ve read
That sounds right, I’m getting the Toyota RAV4 PHEV but will almost exclusively be driving in electric, charging overnight or from our solar panels
Recent cars: Toyota Rav4 PHEV; Hyundai Kona Ultimate EV; Volkswagen Caddy Maxi wheelchair accessible; Skoda Enyaq iV SportLine; Vauxhall Mokka-E; Kia Soul EV, Hyundai Kona (again)
The latest Toyota PHEV has both improved efficiency plus a larger battery, our Suzuki Across (rebadged Toyota RAV4) achieves 60/62 miles in the summer and approximately 44/50 in the winter, with a depleted battery local runs 50/55 mpg on a run 45/50mpg.
A perfect example in the summer starting with a full battery towing a 1500kg caravan 178 miles in hybrid mode hovering around the 38/40mpg mark, with a depleted battery 34/35mpg.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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