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I would really consider looking elsewhere than the scheme if you can afford it but if you’re set on the scheme theres a few other ones that are better bang for buck:
Skoda Enyaq 85 SE L, Hyundai Tucson 1.6T PHEV N Line, Nissan Qashqai 1.5 e-Power N-Connecta or Hyundai Kona Electric 65kWh N Line.
The leapmotor has a very small boot and general cabin comfort will nicer on the ones mentioned and theyre all the same price or lower
A lot of car for the money compared to european rivals and the backing of Stellantis, but with a couple of caveats depending on how you look at it, particularly being menu based and ADAS
Suggest you have a decent test drive.
We test drove the B10 a few weeks ago, we managed turn off all the ADAS, which took us a while, and that completely stopped the noise.
We all found the seats less than comfortable (although we have back issues that makes that particularly hard to please). The boot isn’t a bad size but we all found it frustrating to have to pull through menus for everything.
There’s a good number of them down here which suggests that those less particular can enjoy them.
There will be an improvement soon to the bigger C10 which deals with the poor fast charging rate, it’s currently poor, even in comparison to the B10, but will improve to equal the 140ish kW charging rate of the B10.
I’d definitely be looking for cars that are better value.
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Well I did a test drive and with mixed results. Firstly straight out of garage I noticed a very light front end along with some clonking. The power side was fine even on motorway. However I was a bit unsure about the overall drive as it didnt seem like a Normal drive. And all along I was thinking about the steering which I did find a bit odd. Next test will be the Kona Hybrid because that seems to tick the box too. Just got to find a Deal.
. Next test will be the Kona Hybrid because that seems to tick the box too. Just got to find a Deal.
I don’t know what part of the country you are located in, but for a forward (factory) order on any Hyundai, provided it is ordered this month (September 26), the best currently advertised available offer is probably £500 off the AP at RN Golden Hyundai in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire:
Of course you can wait until the next quarter on 1st October, but who knows where pricing will be or what offers might/might not appear.
As for Leapmotor, any previous offers have generally been on stock only, model specific vehicles for the then current quarter.
You could always order a factory build Kona from RN Golden to put a line in the sand at the current AP with the £500 off. Then cancel it should any better offer(s) appear. Alternatively, see if your local dealer will match or beat RN Golden’s offer.
BYD, plug in hybrid, no thanks.
Why ?
It’s a dying format. The majority of folk who buy them end up using only the ICE part of the car.
Company car owners maybe, due to low BIL rates. Private owners use them as intended meaning they can go about their daily business off electric and longer runs electric/hybrid and with the moder super hybrids, your getting 70+ electric range and over 600 miles on a longer journey.
When I visit family once a month, there are 2 inconvenient stops where, I could charge and being MFG garages at 89pkW, it would be just under £8 cheaper if I had an EV (less if you have coffe whils’t charging) and I can do the journey without stopping on my own. For daily use 400+ miles a month, I can charge cheaply from home.
However, I’m back in diesel since leaving the scheme, till I find something else.
Irrespective, the way forward is EVs and the concept of the extender engine makes the configuration even better for folk with range anxiety.
I would never personally got for a hybrid, other than the health problems that mean i cant really use anything other eva, you get generally more problems than electric plus youve got more servicing concerns, obviously that matters less on motability but privately I would never consider them.
I would never personally got for a hybrid, other than the health problems that mean i cant really use anything other eva, you get generally more problems than electric plus youve got more servicing concerns, obviously that matters less on motability but privately I would never consider them.
What did everyone do before EV’s became mainstream?
The principle of a car hasn’t changed other than what propulsion.
Irrespective, the way forward is EVs and the concept of the extender engine makes the configuration even better for folk with range anxiety.
Range extender EV’s will be the next big push and already in production and will be battery forward rather than generator (engine) forward in modern hybrids where electric motors drive the wheels.
As i said in my opinion, had evs no existed right now well I wouldn’t be able to safely drive at all but also before EVs, people drove purely ICE cars meaning one powertrain. A hybrid combines two entire propulsion systems into one cramped bay. You’re maintaining spark plugs, exhaust emissions, and annual oil changes alongside high-voltage inverters, battery degradation, and complex electronics.
More moving parts means more points of failure. On Motability, that risk is covered, but privately and espeically whne you get out of warranty, you’re taking on the repair liabilities of both worlds instead of the simplicity of one. Plus if you’re sensitive to any petrol or diesel fumes like me then a hybrid isnt an option.
I would never personally got for a hybrid, other than the health problems that mean i cant really use anything other eva, you get generally more problems than electric plus youve got more servicing concerns, obviously that matters less on motability but privately I would never consider them.
BYD cars have a 6 year warranty on everything except the battery which has an 8 year warranty.
A warranty covers manufacturing defects, not your routine maintenance bill. On a hybrid, you still have to pay for annual oil changes, engine filters, and spark plug services just to keep that warranty valid none of which exist on an EV. Plus I believe they give the same warranty on EVs. Plus I would never personally buy a BYD anyway.
@kezo people prior to BEVs would either have struggled on with automatics, had adaptations or become passengers sooner.
There’s a huge difference between cars just through propulsion. There’s differences in response, acceleration and feel just between a petrol and diesel but we’ve had plenty of time to get used to that (although my dad would never have a diesel because it was different).
When you add a battery into that mix, then that all changes depending upon how the battery is used. Go full electric and it’s another difference. However, there’s also differences in slowing once a battery is involved, whether it’s a hybrid that slows a little sharper than it’s petrol equivalent or full one pedal driving.
When it comes to medical conditions, going full electric with one pedal driving can be very helpful and while it should never be the only way of driving, it saves a vast amount of movement between the pedals which may be enough to allow driving an unadapted car for longer.
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A warranty covers manufacturing defects, not your routine maintenance bill. On a hybrid, you still have to pay for annual oil changes, engine filters, and spark plug services just to keep that warranty valid none of which exist on an EV. Plus I believe they give the same warranty on EVs. Plus I would never personally buy a BYD anyway.
Majority of manufacturers now use iridium spark plugs these days, which will last 80,000 miles, if not longer.
Something, I can’t understand is, a 2 year service on the Enyak is c.£340, which includes a check and pollen filter & brake fluid change. A major serice on a Nissan Qahqai E-Power Hynrid is c.£370, which includes c.£100 worth of oil & filter change, air filter & pollen filter change, brake fluid change and check.
@kezo people prior to BEVs would either have struggled on with automatics, had adaptations or become passengers sooner. There’s a huge difference between cars just through propulsion. There’s differences in response, acceleration and feel just between a petrol and diesel but we’ve had plenty of time to get used to that (although my dad would never have a diesel because it was different). When you add a battery into that mix, then that all changes depending upon how the battery is used. Go full electric and it’s another difference. However, there’s also differences in slowing once a battery is involved, whether it’s a hybrid that slows a little sharper than it’s petrol equivalent or full one pedal driving. When it comes to medical conditions, going full electric with one pedal driving can be very helpful and while it should never be the only way of driving, it saves a vast amount of movement between the pedals which may be enough to allow driving an unadapted car for longer.
Sorry mate, I’m struggling to comprehend having driven petrol, diesel, EV and that awfull Nexo hydrogen.
Focusing on automatic due to the limitations of manual in this case. Whether an auto has 1, 2 or 3 speed electric motor or a traditional 6,8, 9 speed box, the principle is the same in that you focus on go and stop, with the option to have creep on or off on majority of modernish cars, taking into account ICE auto’s have manual mode, which can be operated mechanically or through controls.
Braking (slowing down), whether manually by pressing the brake pedal or slowing through regen braking or full on 1 pedal (EV dependant). Either way, if you can’t brake or do an emergency stop without say traditional braking or 1 pedal driving, you really should not be driving any powertrain without adaptions.
I hope @BigDave doesn’t mind me mensioning this, but as a man with one leg, he does exeptionally well, from driving his diesel car on the roads, farm tractors/combines and even a ancient fully mechanical at shows!
Whether petrol diesel hybrid or EV, they all come with different levels of power and as a responsible driver, you should be able to adust that powerband to the conditions of the road. Saying things like an EV is faster from the lights isn’t necessarily true. Take @Glos-Guy car, its quicker off the line as the BYD Seal awd 3.8 and as quick as quick as the MG4 X Power.
What, I am saying, is in 1948 disabled were thrilled with the little blue Invacar and for 4o years were able to take their familiy out with the dawn of Motability. How the hell did they cope, as I didn’t see any refusing cars because it was stollen from the milkman at the time.
I see what you’re saying and mostly agree.
When I say that disabled people can benefit from one pedal driving it’s a simple case of maths. When driving a car without any level of regen, your right foot will move from accelerator to brake for every time you slow (with the exception of engine braking which compares to light regen). When driving around town, you probably move your foot a dozen times without noticing. With heavier regen that drops to only when you need to come to a complete stop and with one pedal it would be completely eliminated unless you need to stop quicker than one pedal allows. We do agree that if you can NOT operate the brake you need adaptations or to stop driving. That’s not what I’m saying though. One pedal driving can reduce foot movements by up to 99% (if your driving style suits the slightly longer stopping distances). When you’re in the situation where that leg hurts, not moving it so much can save a lot of extra painful movements. If you need to stop quicker, then move the foot, lean on the brake.
I know from experience that there’s been times when I’ve barely managed to get back to the car after sitting awkwardly and the difference between driving the current car and an ICE would be the difference between me driving home in agony or not.
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@kezo people prior to BEVs would either have struggled on with automatics, had adaptations or become passengers sooner. There’s a huge difference between cars just through propulsion. There’s differences in response, acceleration and feel just between a petrol and diesel but we’ve had plenty of time to get used to that (although my dad would never have a diesel because it was different). When you add a battery into that mix, then that all changes depending upon how the battery is used. Go full electric and it’s another difference. However, there’s also differences in slowing once a battery is involved, whether it’s a hybrid that slows a little sharper than it’s petrol equivalent or full one pedal driving. When it comes to medical conditions, going full electric with one pedal driving can be very helpful and while it should never be the only way of driving, it saves a vast amount of movement between the pedals which may be enough to allow driving an unadapted car for longer.
Sorry mate, I’m struggling to comprehend having driven petrol, diesel, EV and that awfull Nexo hydrogen. Focusing on automatic due to the limitations of manual in this case. Whether an auto has 1, 2 or 3 speed electric motor or a traditional 6,8, 9 speed box, the principle is the same in that you focus on go and stop, with the option to have creep on or off on majority of modernish cars, taking into account ICE auto’s have manual mode, which can be operated mechanically or through controls. Braking (slowing down), whether manually by pressing the brake pedal or slowing through regen braking or full on 1 pedal (EV dependant). Either way, if you can’t brake or do an emergency stop without say traditional braking or 1 pedal driving, you really should not be driving any powertrain without adaptions. I hope @BigDave doesn’t mind me mensioning this, but as a man with one leg, he does exeptionally well, from driving his diesel car on the roads, farm tractors/combines and even a ancient fully mechanical at shows! Whether petrol diesel hybrid or EV, they all come with different levels of power and as a responsible driver, you should be able to adust that powerband to the conditions of the road. Saying things like an EV is faster from the lights isn’t necessarily true. Take @Glos-Guy car, its quicker off the line as the BYD Seal awd 3.8 and as quick as quick as the MG4 X Power. What, I am saying, is in 1948 disabled were thrilled with the little blue Invacar and for 4o years were able to take their familiy out with the dawn of Motability. How the hell did they cope, as I didn’t see any refusing cars because it was stollen from the milkman at the time.
Saying people just got on with it in 1948 ignores reality. A lot of disabled people back then couldnt cope at all, they were stuck at home isolated or simply died. With my heart condition, I wouldnt have made it past 16 in those days or potentially wouldve been locked away a lock younger in an institution. Besides, I dont think an Invacar wouldve handled my 110kg powerchair, it probably would have tipped over even more than it already did!
For me, one-pedal driving is a massive help. If youre not familiar braking with hand controls means pushing a lever with your arm and shoulder every single time, which quickly trashes your joints. Even back when I was able to drive with my legs, not having to constantly hop pedals in traffic saved loads of fatigue.
Saying people just got on with it in 1948 ignores reality. A lot of disabled people back then couldnt cope at all, they were stuck at home isolated or simply died. With my heart condition, I wouldnt have made it past 16 in those days or potentially wouldve been locked away a lock younger in an institution. Besides, I dont think an Invacar wouldve handled my 110kg powerchair, it probably would have tipped over even more than it already did!
Thats going to a new level, which is not what I’m saying. Times were different back then, and many of the amputees from from fighting in WW11 had the first invacars. Asylums were for the mad, which we now know as mental health /special needs as an example. I doubt back then you would get an electric wheelchair of any weight lol. The last Asylum in the UK to close, was Runwell Hospital, which closed in 2010, marking one of the final closures of the traditional asylum system in the UK, with most closing in the 80’s, with a focus for community care however, I exept them to have been very different to the Victorian times and late 40s/50s.
I just struggle to grasp, you would sit at home and wither away, if you couldn’t have an EV!
The point was 1948 was very different and not fair to compare. For me, fuel and exhaust fumes trigger severe headaches and migraines, so without an EV I literally couldn’t drive myself safely anyway.
Add in one-pedal driving saving my shoulders on hand controls, and an EV is just medical necessity for me. There of course are legitimate cases where an EV isnt there yet, but in my case theres no positives for me.
The point was 1948 was very different and not fair to compare. For me, fuel and exhaust fumes trigger severe headaches and migraines, so without an EV I literally couldn’t drive myself safely anyway. Add in one-pedal driving saving my shoulders on hand controls, and an EV is just medical necessity for me. There of course are legitimate cases where an EV isnt there yet, but in my case theres no positives for me.
Not having a go, rather trying to fathom out lol.
The last invacar contract was 1974, so anywhere between those dates, as with Motability.
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