Kona Electric running costs

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    Intranicity
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    So, I’ve had the Kona electric for a couple of weeks now, and think I have now worked out how to drive it to suit me, and thought i’d give one final update on the costs of driving it.

    The Kona/e-Niro seem to be some of the most efficient EV’s currently available.  So far I’ve covered 2000 miles, and these costs are based on that.

    I haven’t got the ability to charge at home, so I am totally reliant on public chargers, thankfully, I have the BP Pulse membership offered in lieu of the home charger and there are about 4 50kW chargers within 15 miles of me, but where I can, I obviously make use of free charging.

    The BP Pulse fast DC chargers are costing me 15p kW, so similar to standard day time rate you’d pay at home, and will take the 64kW battery from 20-80% in just under an hour on average.

    So, the costs for 2000 miles is £41.86

    • in pence per mile, it’s costing me 1.81p a mile
    • MPG based on fuel costing £1.26 a ltr comes in at 316.80mpg
    • I’m averaging 3.97 miles/kW
    • And compared to running the BMW 2 Series Active 220d X Drive, I’ve already saved £214.19

    Now the weather is starting to warm up and I’ve got used to driving electric (and finished trying out the performance), these figures will improve. The last few days when the temperature has been around 13C, I’ve been getting nearer to 6 miles kWh (5 miles/kWh is pretty easy to achieve now and equates to 320 mile range).

    The GoM today on a 100% charge gave me a range of 308 miles.

    Electric vehicles aren’t for everybody, and the AP’s can look expensive, but the running costs are a fraction of the ICE alternatives.  If you can live with a bit of planning, and want/need to reduce your overheads (and some CO2), it’s the way to go!

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

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  • #145882 Reply
    Intranicity
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    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #145884 Reply
    Markw
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    1. Impressed,  your running costs are about 75% less than my own,  I checked on the available charging points within two miles of me,  and there was 26, next year when my replacement is due,  I will be seriously considering an EV

    Currently driving Seat Ateca 2.0 FR Sport TDI 190 DSG 4drive

    #145885 Reply
    joss
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    Intranicity. What a great update on your running costs. I am sure it will help those considering going the EV route. Well done.

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    #145891 Reply
    Mike

    Thats some saving over a running a ICE. I wanted to get a EV when I renewed in February but like yourself can’t charge at home and didn’t want to rely on the public charger network. A hope when I renew in 2024 that they’re more faster public chargers available.

    #145897 Reply
    Mike Cooper

    Brilliant info there Intranicity,please don’t make this your final update though as your posts are very informative and it’s great to get real life facts and figures.One question if you don’t mind,I seem to have a lot of 22kw chargers near me but I think I read somewhere (wrongly I hope ) that the kona will only accept the charge at 7 kw from an a/c charge point? or would / could a 22kw charger be dc? Sorry for going to school on you as it were but you have enlightened me so much about going to an ev vehicle without a home charger,well you wouldn’t believe it and the wife thinks I’ve gone a bit demented over it ( in a good way I hope ! ).

    #145898 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    Thank you Mike, OK, if and when there is anything significant I will update, maybe 6 months in.

    The Kona max charge speeds are 11kW on AC and 77kW on DC.  The 22kW are AC, so on those, you will only be able to charge at 11kW

    And more than happy to help where I can

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #145901 Reply
    Richard

    Nice thanks for the info. One thing I’ve not been able to find on the Kona without travelling 30 miles is how much legroom is in the back? I’m 6’1″ so need the drivers seat fairly far back how much rear legroom does that leave?

    Both MG’s have loads of legroom, the Zoe has practically none. Kona is top of my list providing my kids will fit in OK (eldest is 14 & very tall, his feet are now size 11,bigger than mine lol). Can you fit 3 adults in the back too or is it too much of a squeeze?

    Apologies for hijacking your economy thread, brilliant info esp seeing such high miles per kWh that’s impressive.

    #145976 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    Sorry Richard, thought I’d replied to this.

    Rear legroom isn’t great, I think he’d need to sit behind the passenger seat, but you just need to try, the rear floor though is almost totally flat, so it’s better for the middle passenger if you are 5 up.

    In the end, as with every car, there are compromises, and with so few large EV’s available at present, if you go that route, it’s finding the best match between range, economy and size.  I think the ID3 will have better rear legroom, but nowhere near as economical, but still much better than an ICE.  If you need the 300 mile range, there are only options at present are the Kona or the Soul.  Kona has the big benefit of physical buttons for most things though and has everything as standard.

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #145978 Reply
    MickC

    The BP Pulse fast DC chargers are costing me 15p kW, so similar to standard day time rate you’d pay at home, and will take the 64kW battery from 20-80% in just under an hour on average.

    So, the costs for 2000 miles is £41.86

    in pence per mile, it’s costing me 1.81p a mile
    MPG based on fuel costing £1.26 a ltr comes in at 316.80mpg
    I’m averaging 3.97 miles/kW

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    Is’nt it closer to 4p per mile based on those sums above ^^^

     

    #145982 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    The BP Pulse fast DC chargers are costing me 15p kW, so similar to standard day time rate you’d pay at home, and will take the 64kW battery from 20-80% in just under an hour on average. So, the costs for 2000 miles is £41.86 in pence per mile, it’s costing me 1.81p a mile MPG based on fuel costing £1.26 a ltr comes in at 316.80mpg I’m averaging 3.97 miles/kW ———————————————————————- Is’nt it closer to 4p per mile based on those sums above ^^^

    Those sums are based on the total electricity I’ve used, some paid for, and some free, that’s one of the nice things about EV’s, lots of places give you free fuel,

    But your point is valid, if I was only charging at DC fast chargers, the costs would be closer to 4p a mile, the BMW I had previously was closer to 12p, so even in a worst case scenario, it’s still 66% cheaper than a decent diesel.

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #145998 Reply
    Richard

    Hi

    Thanks for that I’ve got to try heading off to the nearest dealer patch myself up for the 30 miles. I have test drives booked in both MG’s tomorrow took my 14 Yr old son out Saturday to buy some model railway stuff as he needed cheering up & called in on the way back. Found rear legroom in the MG5 to be excellent but obv lower range & probably not as refined as the Kona.

    We’ll see what comes up interestingly I can save £300 a year on insurance alone by having the wife learn in a motability car instead of our car latest renewal drops to £229 so that’s an additional saving by going motability too.

    Thanks for the info your updates have been fantastic.

    #146000 Reply
    gothitjulie
    Participant

    Good to see free juice being utilised. In my area the free juice is currently limited to 7kW chargers at the rail station (using disabled status to get free parking), at the vinyard, and at several supermarkets.

    If it’s free then it’d be rude not to plug in for even 1/2 hour, but watch out for overstay charges over 2 & 3 hours.

     

    #146006 Reply
    Richard

    Seriously disappointed in motability grants after calling today

    #146019 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    Seriously disappointed in motability grants after calling today

    Yes, it’s always hard if money’s tight, having said that, the Premium spec is only £399 AP, you’d save that pretty quickly in fuel costs, the Premium SE is a steal at £1499, but only if you have the money available at the time, but depending on your mileage, you’d save that in running costs pretty quickly.

    At 15p kWh, you’d save around £1000 every 10k miles compared to a car doing 40mpg and fuel costing £1.26 ltr, and if you can charge at home and make use of free electricity, I reckon you could double that saving

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #146020 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    Good to see free juice being utilised. In my area the free juice is currently limited to 7kW chargers at the rail station (using disabled status to get free parking), at the vinyard, and at several supermarkets. If it’s free then it’d be rude not to plug in for even 1/2 hour, but watch out for overstay charges over 2 & 3 hours.

    Damn right, even the 7kWh chargers can put in a decent amount of free fuel pretty quickly as long as the batteries below 80%.  Wiltshire have put in 5 free 50kWh chargers, which is great, although they are sadly old and not that reliable, and a trip up to Yorkshire was nearly free using the free (till October) 50kWh chargers up there.

    Good tip on checking for overstay times though, thankfully, at least so far all these excess charges have been well displayed.

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #146022 Reply
    Richard

    They’d give me a grant no problem apparently but the answer is petrol qashqai, no running costs considered, no choice nothing decent boot 2 kids? Qashqai that’s what I was just told. Need heated seats go to halfords buy a cover. Really need the heated seats wheel & ideally the hud but none of that is considered. They won’t even consider fuel type.

    It’s looking like the only choice is going to be the ZS EV. Short of taking out a provident type loan that is.

    #146023 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    They’d give me a grant no problem apparently but the answer is petrol qashqai, no running costs considered, no choice nothing decent boot 2 kids? Qashqai that’s what I was just told. Need heated seats go to halfords buy a cover. Really need the heated seats wheel & ideally the hud but none of that is considered. They won’t even consider fuel type. It’s looking like the only choice is going to be the ZS EV. Short of taking out a provident type loan that is.

    I think with the grant, they make an award, for what they consider to be a suitable car, but you can use that amount towards any car, I’m sure someone else can confirm or refute this.  So in the case of the Qashqai, if you need an automatic, the award would be a minimum of £199, which would cover half the cost of the Premium, or leave you needing to find another £1300 for the SE spec, as I said above, you’d probably save £1000 in 13k miles!

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #146031 Reply
    Richard

    Sorry for hijacking your thread I shan’t reply further on here as its not fair but there was more to it than the mobey they’re saying heated seats/wheels etc don’t count as you don’t “need” them which is a farce imho not sure how a disability specialist can get off telling us what’s important or not.

    Literally can you get a scooter in, can you get in/out & that’s it. No say over fuel choice if you ask for a grant.

    #146039 Reply
    Ian

    On the free electricity thread….I’ve been making hay whilst the sun shines by optimising solar on my house  roof.

    In the last 3weeks I have fully charged my car 4 times using solar alone at zero cost.

    For the next 3 months solar is good but it does dissappear and is no way a sole alternative for charging that said it 600 free miles!

    #146055 Reply
    Richard

    Nice, wish we had solar panels here, some housing associations put loads on their homes when the FIT was highest ours sadly wasn’t one & the cost to put them on someone else’s house is a bit well…

    I’m quite tempted to go piecemeal system on the shed roof adding more panels over time I’ve seen several people do something like that.

    Cobfrats on the “free” fuel 😁

    #146056 Reply
    Richard

    <p>*congrats</p>

    #146181 Reply
    Richard

    Looked at the Kona today lovely car but just a twee too small for us. I could comfortably sit in the back even with the seat in my driving position but headroom was a little lacking my hair was on the roof not my head tho.

    The boot is also a little small so given the lack of other options Inc the fact I don’t want to call motability about a grant again given the way I was treated earlier. I think we’re going to order the MG ZS EV this time then save up for something more exciting next time plus I’ll have the gcb too) we’ll hopefully)

    I’ve checked out all the EVs & none of the affordable ones are any better than the mg plus the mg dealer is only about 6 miles from home.

    Thanks for the updates on your kona it’s been really useful shame its not just a tiny bit bigger. I did consider the e2008 but for £999 it’s a fairly poverty spec vehicle)

    #146198 Reply
    Intranicity
    Participant

    Most of the time it’s just me, so the Kona is fine, but for a family of ( I can see it being a bit tight.

    Good luck with the MG, range put me off and not heard many good stories about MG UK and the dealers, but that can be an issue with any car. It is good value at least. Hope you enjoy the switch to the quiet side!

    Previous Motability Cars
    2006 - 2009 Skoda Superb VR6 2.0tdi
    2009 - 2012 Citroen C5 2.0tdi VTR Nav
    2012 - 2015 Nissan Qashqai 1.5dci tekna
    2015 - 2018 Ford Kuga 2.0tdi Titanium X
    2018 - 2021 BMW 220d X drive 2 Series Active Luxury
    2021- Hyundai Kona Electric Premium SE

    #146202 Reply
    Richard

    I did a fair bit of driving carefully in the MG & the range stayed at around 163 miles at 90% battery & didn’t seem to drop much even after I stuck in kn sport & floored it, surprised to get pinned back in the seats too.

    I can have a charger put in here so that helps with any range worries & worst we’ll go is to the city centre which is 30 miles each way. I got a council grant for a proper driveway last year grid & gravel plus 6x6m of concrete too so hopefully I can have a charger there.

    I’m keeping the grand voyager as well so for towing, more than 5 seats longer distances etc we can still use that. I really liked the Kona & if it’d been just a little bigger I could’ve swung it but there’s just so much room in the MG, plus the sunroof & the vefan leather seats won’t have fog hair stick to them lmao. It doesn’t really matter if its a huge problem motability can deal also I’ve had brand new cars that have been terrible 1999 Ford focus that broke down 3 days after getting it, needed a new turbo after 12,000 miles, 40+ aircon faults plus a new engine at 70,000 all despite first class care etc the manager of Busseys knew my name, reg number, phone number, address etc all from memory I was in there several times a week, so I don’t think the mg can be much worse than other experiences I’ve had. The range was my top concern & why I wanted the Kona but I’ve kept a log recently of my journeys & it’s all 12 miles to shop each way, 20 miles to shops, 18 miles to school & back. The only longer trip I might do is to Tattershall lakes where my mum has a caravan & that’s under 60 miles, plus they have EV charging points there too.

    Even had a brand new vw passat delivered with a wiring fault maybe I’ve just been unlucky in the past lol.

    The dealer is 2 villages over which is convenient at least hehehe.

    Anyway I’ve got 16 months pip left & knowing the dwp they’ll force me to another tribunal next year (which I won in under 3 minutes) so it’ll be change the car again then.

    Next I’ll see about switching my Octopus tariff to suit too

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