‘If you don’t believe in the electric car yet, you soon will’

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    Brydo

    Electric cars are the future of motoring, and they’ll soon be impossible for consumers to ignore, says Steve Fowler…


    This is when the electric car starts to get really serious. This week Mercedes has revealed its first, bespoke, all-electric car to the world and later this month, Audi does the same. Rest assured, it’s not stopping there.

    It all comes hot on the heels of Jaguar getting its I-Pace to customers before its rivals – and winning our Car of the Year prize in the process – and Hyundai launching an affordable all-electric small SUV with a real-world range of 300 miles.

    Of course, cars like the Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe and Tesla Models S and X have been with us for a while, but it’s going to take more mainstream and premium brands to come to the party to make wary buyers really sit up and take notice.

    The biggest barrier to EV ownership remains range – unfairly so, these days. The perception of ‘under 100 miles’ will soon change as closer to 300 miles becomes the new norm, while interest will increase as more and more appealing (if not particular attractive) cars like the EQC are launched.

    Mercedes is going at it with real gusto – EQ is set to become a Mercedes brand in the same way AMG and Maybach are. EQ stands for ‘electric intelligence’ (yes, that’s what I thought, too). It also stands for a range of electrified models that’ll line up against rivals from every other maker in the coming years.

    In spite of all that, every time I sing the praises of electric cars, my inbox chimes with messages from people who say they’ll never provide the fun we get from internal combustion-engined cars!

    To those people I say simply: go and try one. We had a similar situation 20 years ago with diesel. Once we’d experienced it – and seen the benefits – we were hooked. That’s the same with an EV; it’s hard not to be impressed and excited once you’ve had a go.

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    Brydo

    2019 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV First Drive Review

    Garys this is one for you, very interesting.

    https://tinyurl.com/y8nxqzma

    #60462 Reply

    Garys

    Tjanks brydo expect a full review soon after the 20th october when its due

    #60661 Reply

    Brydo

    Nissan Leaf is best-selling EV of 2018 so far

    The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV remains the UK’s best-selling electric vehicle, having topped the charts now since the beginning of 2015. However, the Nissan Leaf – second on the list and the most popular pure-electric model – has outsold the Mitsubishi both in the last quarter, and 2018 to date.

    https://tinyurl.com/y88ob5h2

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    Brydo

    EVs like this car is what the public need to be seeing, smart, affordable with a decent range.

    VW launches Electric for All campaign
    The campaign kicks off with the launch of the MEB platform for EVs
    Volkswagen has launched its MEB (modular electric drive) platform, bringing its modular architecture strategy to the electric vehicle market, with the Electric for All campaign.

    The manufacturer is pitching the MEB as an important a milestone in the company’s history as the likes of the Beetle and the Golf – a core development that millions will drive.

    It’s first use will be in the Volkswagen ID hatch, a Golf-sized pure-electric model that will launch the ID sub-brand. At the same time VW has launched its Volks-Wallbox – an ‘affordable home charging system that makes charging the ID family easy and convenient.’

    Developments reported at the launch include multiple battery/power options for the forthcoming ID, with driving ranges starting at more than 200 miles on a single charge, and a higher-spec version offering around 275 miles. A third, longer-range still model has yet to have its specifications confirmed.

    The launch event has showcased the platform with an interior, all ready for full-production. The MEB architecture will ordinarily be rear-wheel drive, with the option for a second motor to be fitted to the front axle too.

    It is with this flexibility that VW expects to build millions of models off the one platform – as it does currently with the likes of the MQB architecture, underpinning models such as the Golf, Seat Ibiza, Skoda Octavia, and many others.

    Charging will be available at 7 or 11 kW, and rapid charging on CCS will be capable at up to 125 kW where charge points allow. VW is one of the founding partners of the ultra-rapid Ionity network being built across Europe and the UK. Wireless EV charging will be available too.

    Brand Board Member for E-Mobility Thomas Ulbrich said: “We are making optimal use of the possibilities the electric car has to offer and creating massive economies of scale at the same time. Some 10 million vehicles across the Group will be based on this platform in the first wave alone. The MEB is the economic and technological backbone of the electric car for all.”

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    Brydo

    All you need to know about charging your EV at home.

    https://tinyurl.com/yaasycwe

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    Brydo

    Another smart, affordable EV  with a decent range.
    New Kia Niro Plug-in Hybrid revealed at Geneva
    301-mile range confirmed for Kia e-Niro EV due next year

    Kia’s first fully electric SUV, the e-Niro, has confirmed range of 301 miles, increasing to 382 miles for city driving.

    https://tinyurl.com/yd66g3gf

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    Brydo

    ABB’s Terra HPC can add 124 miles of range in 8 minutes
    Posted September 12, 2018 by Charles Morris & filed under Newswire, The Infrastructure.
    Swiss electronics giant ABB will launch what it claims is the world’s fastest EV charger at the upcoming Cenex Low Carbon Vehicle Event at Millbrook, Bedfordshire, UK.

    The Terra HPC (High Power Charger) can add 124 miles to a vehicle’s range in only 8 minutes. The company initially developed it for Electrify America, which is building a network of 2,800 fast chargers across the US. EA is now deploying the Terra HPC at hundreds of charging stations in metro areas and along highways.

    Also at the LCV show, ABB will exhibit its new EVLunic AC wallbox portfolio, which is comprised of 52 different types of chargers for private and business use. The compact wallbox (50 by 25 cm) is designed to be installed at homes or offices.

    ABB has installed around 8,000 connected DC fast charging stations in 68 countries, including 1,000 DC Terra HPCs.

    “ABB believes that charging is the new refueling with the world’s fastest charger, the Terra HPC,” said ABB Product Marketing Director David Lowen. “In our mission to power the e-mobility revolution, we have developed a wide range of charging solutions to suit all types of drivers and fleets.”

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    Brydo

    Here’s Seven Reasons Why Electric Vehicles Will Kill The Gas Car

    ELECTRIC VEHICLES WILL KILL THE GAS CAR — HERE’S WHY
    Are the days of the gas guzzler numbered? Tom Raftery (via Forbes) says there are “seven reasons why the internal combustion engine is a dead man walking.” He explains, “Electric cars are the future. The transition has just begun, but the move from ICE vehicles to electric will happen sooner and more quickly than most people suspect.” Here’s why…

    1. LOOK TO CHINA
    In the world’s largest car market, Raftery notes that “China has passed a law which requires any vehicle maker to obtain a new energy vehicle score of at least 10% by 2019, which rises to 12% by 2020, and on up to 20% of sales by 2025. As a result of this announcement, all the major OEM’s have suddenly found EV religion.” Tesla, already ahead of the curve, signed an agreement with Shanghai Municipal People’s Government to build its first Gigafactory outside of the United States in China.

    2. BATTERY COSTS CONTINUE TO GO DOWN
    Raftery notes, “Lithium-ion batteries cost $1,000 per kWh in 2010. By 2017 that cost had fallen to $200 per kWh, and it won’t stop there. At the Tesla shareholder meeting on June 5th of this year, Elon Musk stated that Tesla would be at $100 per kWh within 2 years. $100 per kWh is widely agreed to be the figure where EVs and ICE vehicles will have a comparable upfront purchase price. So, by 2020 the cost of batteries will have fallen 90% in 10 years, and the price will continue to drop.”

    Above: Lithium-ion battery costs 2010-2017 (Source: Forbes / Credit: Bloomberg)

    3. BATTERY CAPACITY CONTINUES TO GO UP
    Range anxiety is quickly fading away. Raftery explains, “Lithium-ion batteries are increasing in energy density at a rate of 5-8% per annum…. the Tesla Roadster, which launches in 2020, has a stated range of 1,000km. When electric vehicles have a range of 1,000km, it is the ICE vehicles which start to have a range problem.” Just a quick glance at the range of today’s electric vehicles show this trend clearly — if others continue to follow the leader (aka Tesla), range should continue to steadily improve.

    Above: Looking at the EPA-rated all-electric range of 2018/2019 electric cars (Source: InsideEVs)

    4. ELECTRIC CAR BATTERY PACKS HAVE A LONG LIFE
    It’s reported that “Contrary to what many believe, the batteries in electric vehicles don’t degrade over time (or over miles/kilometers driven either). This is a graph of the battery capacity of Tesla Model S/X vehicles, and it shows that after driving 270,000km (roughly 168,000 miles), the batteries still had 91% of their original capacity… the bottom line is that the batteries lose about 1% of capacity every 30,000km (18,750 miles). This means that the upfront cost of an electric vehicle can be depreciated over a far longer time lowering the vehicle’s total cost of ownership significantly – EVs will just keep on working. Having said that, this data is specific to Tesla batteries – we will have to wait to see how other manufacturers fare.”

    Above: Tesla battery degradation (Source: Forbes / Credit: Matteo)

    5. ELECTRIC CARS ARE MORE RELIABLE
    And, don’t forget: “Another factor in favor of electric vehicles is that they are far more reliable. The drivetrain in an ICE vehicle contains 2,000+ moving parts typically, whereas the drivetrain in an EV contains around 20. A quick scan of the top 10 cars repairs of 2015 is telling. Only one of these faults can happen to an electric vehicle (number 4, and it is by far the cheapest to fix).” It makes you wonder what would happen if an EV driver was forced to go back to a gas car.


    Above: Top 10 car repairs 2015 (Source: Forbes / Credit: credit.com)

    6. ELECTRIC CARS ARE CHEAPER TO “FUEL”
    According to Raftery, “Electric vehicles are typically significantly cheaper to fuel as well (unless you happen to live somewhere that has particularly cheap petrol and extremely expensive electricity). And with the price of oil going up 50% in the last 12 months, finding somewhere with cheap petrol will become increasingly difficult.” For reference, check out the data from the top five US cities where it happens to be the least expensive to drive an electric car based (primarily) on lower electricity rates.

    Above: One year crude oil price (Source: Forbes / Credit: infomine.com)

    7. ICE CAR RESALE VALUES WILL COLLAPSE
    Already electric vehicles and hybrids have become the fastest selling used cars (see below). As this trend continues, Raftery forecasts that, “the resale value of ICE automobiles is going to collapse… why would you buy one today? Think about that for a second. Why would you buy an Internal Combustion Engine vehicle today, if its resale value in 3-4 years will have fallen significantly? You wouldn’t. And when people start to realize that, the market will flip. And it will happen quickly. Sooner than most people think. Will your next car be an EV?”

    Above: A look at the fastest selling used cars; note that the top 5 fastest selling used cars are all electric vehicles and hybrids (Source: iSeeCars)

    These seven factors point to an automotive future with no emissions. And, there’s even a “growing list of cities [and countries] that are passing legislation to ban diesel engined vehicles from driving on their streets” further encouraging the uptake of clean cars. Raftery concludes, “when electric vehicles start to become more common, drivers of internal combustion engine vehicles will be thought of the way smokers are regarded today.”

    This article is based on the American market but will be similar to that of other areas.

    #61357 Reply

    Brydo

    New DS 7 Crossback E-Tense 4×4 revealed

    Plug-in hybrid version of French brand’s premium SUV promises 6.5-second 0-62mph time and 128mpg
    This is the DS 7 Crossback E-Tense 4×4: a plug-in hybrid premium SUV that’ll cover 31 miles on pure electric power, and returns 128mpg in official tests.

    https://tinyurl.com/y8adwqzw

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    Brydo

    Porsche drops diesel for EVs


    Models like the Mission E Cross Turismo will come online in the future
    Porsche has announced that it has ditched diesel, with electrification the main focus of its R&D resources. No new models will be offered with diesel engines, reflecting the trend from its buyers moving to the E-Hybrid plug-in hybrid options.

    The German manufacturer says that by 2022, more than six billion euros will have been invested in e-mobility. Combined with the fact that almost two thirds of Panameras sold in Europe are E-Hybrids, and the fact that demand for diesel is dropping, made the decision relatively easy.

    Instead, with the Taycan pure-EV on the way next year – and more EVs after that – Porsche is pushing its electric powertrains further than ever before. As one of the leading developers in the VW Group, the fact that Porsche is focusing on EVs is a good one for the group as a whole.

    Oliver Blume, CEO of Porsche AG, said: “Porsche is not demonising diesel. It is, and will remain, an important propulsion technology. We as a sports car manufacturer, however, for whom diesel has always played a secondary role, have come to the conclusion that we would like our future to be diesel-free. Naturally we will continue to look after our existing diesel customers with the professionalism they expect.”

    “Our aim is to occupy the technological vanguard – we are intensifying our focus on the core of our brand while consistently aligning our company with the mobility of the future.”

    Porsche had initially halted production of diesel models back in February of this year, but the latest announcement means there will be no revival of the fuel type in the brand’s line-up. With E-Hybrid popularity on the up for those wanting an efficient car, not just a pure-performance model, and diesel sales just 12% of Porsche’s 2017 portfolio, the news shouldn’t be unexpected.

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    Brydo

    Peugeot to add Hybrid and Hybrid4 PHEVs to range

    Peugeot has launched two new plug-in hybrid powertrains – Hybrid and Hybrid4 – which will become available in its 3008, 508, and 508 SW next year.

    The new systems come with an 11.8 kWh or 13.2 kWh battery, allowing for a range of up to 30 miles on a single charge (WLTP), and combine an 80 kW electric motor with Peugeot’s PureTech petrol engines.

    Charging will take less than two hours thanks to a 6.6 kW on-board charger, and a comprehensive suite of electric driving systems will help maximise efficiency. Drivers will be able to put the car in electric-only mode, hold charge for later, or top up using i-Booster, which recuperates energy when braking or slowing down.

    Other modes include Comfort, Hybrid, and Sport, with the Hybrid4 system offering four-wheel drive mode too. The company’s excellent i-Cockpit instrument system has been tailored for the PHEV models, adding elements such as the driving mode, electric energy levels, and EV range to the traditional views.

    The new 508 and 508 SW Hybrids use a 180hp petrol engin and electric motor for a combined 225 hp, and less than 49 g/km CO2. In the 3008, the Hybrid4 system will provide 300 hp from a 200 hp PureTech engine and two electric motors – one on each axle. The 3008 will complete the 0-62mph sprint in just 6.5 seconds.

    Only available at launch in GT trim, the PHEV Peugeots will be added to the 3008 and 508 ranges from autumn 2019.

    #61439 Reply

    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    Brydo, have you seen the BMW Wireless charging system, https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=GlrcPrzuPMM

    #61443 Reply

    Brydo

    Wmc I had seen that and it looks to be the way forward, however I am not sure if BMW have the sole patent on it. The last thing I want to see is different charging methods for each car.

    #61445 Reply

    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    Kia are in the game too. I can’t imagine a patent can be applied for something that is in our daily lives already, phones and toothbrushes spring to mind, what they will do is make it their brand only, which is such a shame. Only time will sort it out but it is the only way forward. It’s exciting seeing innovation being played out in front of our eyes.

    #61447 Reply

    Brydo

    Wmc we are in exciting times, the next 10-20 years will see massive changes in the way transport is viewed and used. I see motability being a sort of large taxi firm where we just call them and order a car and it arrives autonomously at your door, I see EV’s that can travel over 800 miles on a single charge, I see freedom for lots of disabled who are isolated because they can’t drive but with autonomous cars they don’t need to.

    #61475 Reply

    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    Brydo, I recently spoke to someone in a position of power in the automotive world and they said that the autonomous technology is moving along at an alarming pace, so much so that in a few years time no one will be taking driving lessons or sitting a driving test.

    I love your vision of Motability being the Uber of the disabled world, perfect. Problem is all the pubs will have disappeared by then too so we won’t be able to take full advantage of the service.

    #61477 Reply

    Brydo

    Haha wmc, maybe this will be the turning point for the local pub, the car would need to breathalyse you when entering the car so as there is no way you could drive

    #61521 Reply

    Brydo

    Skoda Vision RS hybrid concept previews 2019 Rapid replacement

    Big transformation gives Skoda chance to rebrand Rapid Spaceback along with introducing electrification
    The forthcoming replacement for the Skoda Rapid is set to introduce electrification to the firm’s vRS sub-brand, as well as giving the Czech manufacturer a direct rival for the VW Golf, it has emerged.

    The Rapid’s replacement – which will lose both the Rapid and Spaceback names from the unloved existing models – is due to be previewed by the Vision RS concept at the forthcoming Paris Motor Show. But senior Skoda officials have now revealed that the show car will be powered by a petrol-electric hybrid powertrain mixing a 1.5-litre TSI engine and a 101bhp electric motor.

    https://tinyurl.com/y86jf9d5

    #61587 Reply

    ShadyAidy

    That kinda makes me think of a Volvo V40 / Audi A3 Mashup, both of which I like a lot.

    This definitely looks like a contender for our next Motability vehicle, assuming a decent spec is available 3 years hence.

    #61590 Reply

    Ron Goddard

    It’s an interesting thread, and I do agree the future will be electric vehicles.  However, “the future” could be tomorrow or 100 years.

    my brother in law has had a Mitsubishi phev for the last 3 years.  It’s ideal for him, retired he uses his car for about 30 miles a day.  He has a garage at the bottom of his drive, ideal for plugging it in.   He only puts petrol in once every 2 months.  However, moving over to all electric poses different issues.  Range and charging points come into play.

     

    Today neither of the options would be suitable for the masses. The future will doubtless see cars with 500 mile ranges and charging points everywhere, that can give a full charge in 5 mins.  Then you have the future today.

    #61601 Reply

    Brydo

    Ron welcome to the thread, I have been talking about this topic since January this year and it’s unbelievable how far evs have come in that time. However we still have only hybrids on the scheme and no pure electric.

    The comments you make are very similar to many who have posted before you. As I have said previously over 60% of the British public could have a home charger and many councils are taking advantage of government grants and installing street chargers utilising, in some instances lamp posts. So range anxiety     is not a major problem for those with this facility and with most new evs doing more than 200 miles on a single charge it is becoming less of a factor.

    Not sure how long it will be before a full charge in five minutes will be a reality but I would settle for 100 miles in five minutes. It is clear from previous posts that some people fill their car when they go to the garage. I never do and don’t see the point in it so maybe I am in a minority with regard to this.

    With regard to what happens in the future, you won’t really have much of a choice, it will be hybrid or pure electric. In ten years time hybrid will be a thing of the past and pure electric will be the only show in town. The choice of other than ev will be extremely limited. But the good news is that evs are great to drive, they are quick, quite, fast and full of interesting technology. So look forward to your first ev with anticipation and not apprehension 👍

    #61646 Reply

    Brydo

    Ron its getting close

    Audi: By 2020 Our Electric Cars Will Fast Charge To 80% In 12 Minutes

    Audi BEVs will get 350 kW ultra-fast charging
    Currently, Audi is introducing its first all-electric model – the e-tron – which will be able to charge from 0 to 80% in around 30 minutes. That’s at 150 kW of power, which is industry-leading level for passenger cars. Also, the on-board charging (3-phase at 22 kW is swell too).

    However, 150 kW is not the goal, but just a temporary level for the first two cars – the e-tron and e-tron Sportback (2019).

    The third model – Audi e-tron GT – built on a second BEV platform and equipped with tech from Porsche, will be capable of charging at 350 kW. 80% state of charge should be achievable in 12-minutes.

    Audi news
    Audi e-tron GT To Debut AT LA Auto Show: 12 New EVs By 2025
    Porsche Taycan Platform To Underpin Audi e-tron GT
    Audi Teases E-Tron GT, A True Tesla Model S Competitor 10 Years Late
    The news was confirmed by senior e-tron product marketing manager Johannes Eckstein:

    “Audi’s third electric model, the E-tron GT, will be its first to have batteries capable of charging at 350kW when it arrives in 2020.”
    The 350 kW, or 5C charging rate, over a wide state-of-charge window, is expected to be possible thanks to new batteries, that are able to withstand such power.

    By that time, Porsche and Audi will make use of the IONITY (Europe) and Electrify America/Electrify Canada (U.S. & Canada) ultra-fast charging networks. Only time will tell whether the number of stations will be enough for peace of mind on long-distance travel, but at least the strategy seems reasonable.

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    Brydo

    Demand for used electric vehicles continues to rise

    Strong demand for electric vehicles (EVs) saw values rise 0.9% in September, while average used values remained static, says Cap HPI.

    Particular strength has been seen for pure battery electric cars with values increasing for as diverse models like the Renault Zoe, BMW i3 and Tesla Models S and X.

    At three years and 60,000 miles, average used values didn’t move in September, while newer cars have increased by a negligible 0.1% at the six month and one-year points. Older cars have dropped slightly, but the 0.3% decrease at five-years-old is again negligible.

    Derren Martin, head of current valuations at Cap HPI, said:  “With retail demand unlikely to dissipate anytime soon and supply lower than normal, there is the potential for prices not to drop by as much as they have done at this point in previous years.

    “The average drop during October over the last 4-years was 1.7% at the 3-year point, with it being as high as 2.2% in 2015. Last year it was just -1.2% and this year there is the possibility it will not even drop by that amount.

    “It is fair to predict a strong, stable used car market over the coming weeks, although as always supply and demand dynamics need to be viewed at a micro level and the valuations editors producing black book live will as always be looking at the finite details within both trade and retail data throughout the month.”

    City cars saw values rise at one-year-old, by 0.4%, on average, but older, higher mileage three-year-old cars were not as desirable and fell by 0.3%.

    SUVs can increase in value due to winter approaching, this year, with the flow of stock into the market not being heavy in September, and demand being healthy, average values have stayed level or indeed increased slightly.

    Volume models such as the Ford Ecosport and Vauxhall Mokka went up in value during September, both being particularly desirable as used cars since they first came to market.

    Martin concluded: “There was an interesting dynamic regarding supply into the used car market. On the one hand, late-plate volumes were higher than normal due to the August pre-registration activity – although this was not prevalent among all manufacturers.

    “Almost to counter this volume, with new car registrations in September being lower than in previous years, the volume of fleet returns and consumer’s part-exchanges has been far lower than previously.

    “Volumes of pre-registered cars do not tend to be remarketed through the auction halls, so numbers there have generally been lower.”

    #61743 Reply

    Brydo

    New BMW i3 120Ah launched
    The latest model gets a larger battery for longer range
    BMW has launched an new version of its i3 electric supermini, with a new 120Ah battery extending the range available to 223 miles (NEDC) on a single charge – or 192 miles according to the tougher WLTP tests.

    The pack – rated at 42.2 kWh – is the same physical size as the outgoing 94Ah model, with an increase in energy density making the increased range possible. It now means that the i3 has seen battery capacity double since its launch in 2014, thanks to this second update.

    Available in both the i3 and the i3s, the new battery makes no difference to the model’s interior, save for a new ‘Loft’ trim. The sportier i3s gets an official range of 214 miles (NEDC) and 177 miles on WLTP.

    BMW also quotes a range of 160 miles available ‘during everyday use’, representing a 30% increase from the 94Ah models. Efficiency figures for the i3 are quoted at 14.6 kWh/100km for the i3s, and 13.1 kWh/100km for the standard i3.

    Charging remains the same, with CCS capable of accepting 50 kW on rapids. There’s a 7.4 kW on-board charger for domestic and public charge point usage, and the i3 will accept up to 11 kW on three-phase units.

    Performance figures are as sprightly as you would expect from the nippy electric supermini. The i3 completes the 0-62mph sprint in 7.3 seconds, thanks to a 125 kW motor, while the 135 kW motor in the i3s allows for a faster time of 6.9 seconds.

    New equipment available on the i3 and i3s includes LED headlights as standard, and adaptive LEDs as an option. Wireless phone charging is also available, as is a wireless LAN hotspot for up to 10 devices.

    No mention of a range-extended REX version of either model is mentioned as yet. Both i3 and i3s go on sale from December, with prices starting from £35,180.

    #61745 Reply

    Brydo

    All you need to know about EV`s

    Compared: Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid And Battery Electric Cars

    https://tinyurl.com/y8oas4p8

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