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I currently have a Tucson PHEV on 24 hour test and have a few questions for @kezo @JohntheLeg and anyone else who has one.
The car the dealer has given me, whilst brand new, is unfortunately the pre facelift model, so it’s a bit different from what I had researched. They are giving me a facelift one for another 24 hours when I take this one back, but it’s not a PHEV, so my education on PHEVs is right now.
I’ve just been on a decent drive in both EV and Auto (which was mostly EV) and deliberately let the battery run out so that I could then see what it was like on petrol only. All worked fine but I’ve just parked it in the garage with a view to recharging it and the ruddy cable in the car is one that only works in a charging station – not the 3 pin (granny charger) that I expected. This is irritating as tomorrow I wanted to take my wife on our usual ‘local’ journeys on EV mode but now can’t 😡. Two questions;
1) Does the Tucson PHEV come with a charging cable that can be used in a 3 pin plug as standard, or do you have to buy one?
2) There is a third driving mode that I haven’t used yet (Hybrid?), although I think the car may have now been ‘forced’ into it by the battery running out. Is this a mode where the petrol engine charges the battery? If so, if I take it out for a drive tonight (which I intend to do anyway to test the headlights) will I be able to ‘charge’ the battery? Is there a way to do this?
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Very good and interesting to hear your thoughts.
I would have expected to have seen both mpg and kWh used on the display rather than combined figure seen on the Tucson?
Suprised to hear about air suspensnsion & sports seats don’t scream comfort which defeats the object imo.
Alot of manufacturer exhausts lost their sole, really from 2019 onwards as they are strangled to meet emissions / noise, with approved after market such as Miltek seeing a boom.
“Gas Pressure Spring for bonnet?” bonnet struts.
I adore the latest gen X5 and having visited BMW to have a look, my head is telling me is too big for our town and parking, taking into account use of the car without our my daughter pressent leaves me to standard parking bays, where its a struggle sometimes getting in/our out the Tucson especially if those parke next park off centre. Whils’t not totally discounting the X5, have started to look at the X3, which like the X1 have grown with the latest generation.
My fuel choice for the X5/3 would be diesel and in 30d or 40d guise, with about 70Nm torque seperating tham and less important similar bhp. My 20d hasn’t missed a beat and a run to see family keeps the gremlins at bay. Modern diesels are better at passive regeneration at slower speeds around town and don’t suffer the same level dpf issues as they use to and a quick run up to temperature keeps everything clean anyway. Depending how long you plan to keep a car especially as the dates will go back further, a V8 will be expensive out of warranty if anything went wrong with having alot of vital components in middle of the “V”
Unfortunately (wong word by far), I don’t know if we’d be eligible for HMRC VAT removal, as whils’t my daughter uses a wheelchair it not to an extent, so have been focussing on ex display / nearly new.
The mpg must have included elements of battery usage, given that the two operate together (how can it be separated over the same miles?) and I know from user reviews that the now discontinued 40i (which had the B58 engine but wasn’t blighted by the extra weight of the PHEV) returned high 20s mpg.
The sports seat issue won’t be helped by the fact that I get sciatica anyway but also I am, shall we say, of generous build, so it’s probably self inflicted 😂 I found the sports seats fine in the X1 though, oddly.
You’re right about the noise of ‘nice sounding’ cars has been somewhat stifled due to killjoy legislation, plus the addition of the MHEV technology. That being said, one of the things that I want to establish with the M60i is that the V8 soundtrack won’t become tiresome over time when the novelty has worn off, so it might have done me a favour.
I cannot lie that the size when parking in standard spaces is an issue. The M60i has four wheel steering as standard, which I have some reservations about, but reviews suggest that it makes parking and manoeuvring easier. We shall see.
I agree about the V8 post warranty, and @BigDave really useful feedback about the air suspension (which I would add) makes me think that I’d probably only keep the car 3 years until the warranty ends. It makes sense financially as well, due to being able to get a VAT free vehicle purchase every 3 years and, as stated, the net cost over the 3 years, allowing for all the discounts combined, makes it no more expensive than a modest car through Motability.
If your daughter isn’t a full time wheelchair user, and you don’t need ‘substantial and permanent adaptations’ then, as you say, you wouldn’t get the VAT off, which makes buying used a much better option. I like the previous generation X3, and if we didn’t qualify for the VAT exemption I would have looked at the M40i, but I’ve sat in a new M50 and watched reviews and I just don’t like the styling, plus it seems cheap and plasticky inside compared to the X5. I contemplated waiting for the new Neu Classe X5, but I fear that will go the same way. Also, discounts won’t be as huge when it first launches but, if I want to stick with an X5 then I may be persuaded next time. Who knows. I may not even go ahead this time if the next test drive doesn’t blow me away!
Without VAT exemption, if buying used I agree that the diesel is the sensible choice. The V8 came out of the blue when I discovered the bigger discounts being offered and the much larger VED avoided (plus, of course, the even bigger VAT discount). As well as being a choice from the heart, the finances could even make it a choice from the head as well. There’s also the exclusivity factor. Less than 3% of the X5s on our roads are V8s, and that includes the full fat X5M. Let’s see what the next test drive brings.
Now the goal posts have been moved (waiting for starmer to catch up) changing every three years has become a possibility again, which may not have been the case especially after a couple of cars changes and my initial plan was to buy new in 2029.
Beginning of the week, I went to look at an ex demo Range Rover Velar & Sport, although the Sport like the X5 is just that bit too big I think. I do like Range Rover and find them screwed together very well, perceived reliabilty is at back of my head and as it stands now I plan on keeping five years.
What I do find interesting with these premium dealerships is, the fact they have a Chinese marque bolt on, its the same at my local Sytner BMW dealership. I couldn’t help myself looking at BYD after looking at the Velar and apart from thee ICE/PHEV, there was a rather nice looking BYD Seal excellence ex demo with hardly any miles on for £33k with the sales guy genuinely open to offers for a deal and £147o0 for mine, which is ony slightly less than offered on the Velar. Not a bad deal considering they are nearly £50k new, BUT, as good as the deal looks, do I really need to go the EV off the scheme and the trade in value in 5-6 yrs time would be a worry even though it had a healthy 3.8s to 62mph.
Whils’t I’m not in a rush, I am in a rush if that makes sense, especially with still avoiding the Tucson and whilst there is nothing 220 gran coupe it isn’t really practical.
I’m conscious that I’m in the price range of a Range Rover, and I love the look of the Defender, Velar and full fat RR (I’m less keen on the new RR Sport), but the interiors (full size RR aside) are a little too minimalistic for my liking. My financial advisor has a RR Sport and after just a couple of months was complaining about the ludicrous prices that LR dealers wanted for things and he’s already having issues. I just can’t move beyond the point that they are always bottom of every reliability survey and on the rare ocassions that you see a car broken down at the roadside these days, there’s a high chance that it’s a Jaguar Land Rover product! I’d take my chances with a BMW V8 over any RR product! They do say that LR / RR owners are advised to have two of them, so that they are always mobile when one of them is in the garage for repair!
I wouldn’t be prepared to chance my hard earned money on a Chinese car either, as their long term reliability is as yet unproven and, more importantly, they just don’t appeal to me, but there’s no doubting that, price wise, they are attractive. That being said, I was drawn to the Tucson due to the comparative value for money due to the high standard equipment level but, as I have since learned, that is just one part of the equation.
If the second X5 test drive doesn’t convince me, I’m going to look at a Porsche Cayenne and, possibly, Audi. Their styling is less polarising than the latest generation BMWs. I suppose I should take another look at Range Rover but would only keep it for as long as the warranty lasts 😂
There are some major concerns with anything JLR however, I’m not sure if your financial advisor is aware approved independants can service and update records on JLR’s portal and the same with warranty repairs etc, which is obviously a lot more cost effective than using main dealers.
My brother also a financial advisor and once head of Barclays financial services (luckily he doesn’t get rich off me😂), has gone out and done something I told him not to and that was not to buy a an Evoque PHEV for his wife, with no better range than the Tucson and future reliability issues, as they don’t change her car as frequently. Even so its very nicely screwed together and mimilistic now there is only one screen and as we say, there is always that reliability in the back of your mind.
I think my point applies to all EV’s and how cheap you can get something that cost £50k in comparison of buying something with an ICE in with a similar new value. For someonewh’s more enthusiastic about EV’s, buying a 25/75 plate and running it till the battery dies is a good deal. For me I’m not ready to take the plunge.
Perceive ECO has ruined interior quality and I think VW grop have perhaps embraced it more than other German marques, I think if BMW didn’t suit I’d look at Merc. However, given BMW X series have grown into their larger sibblings, I wouldn’t discount the X3 and certainly wouldn’t discount the 30 or 40d. The Klaus class wouldn’t interest me, I think the interuir looks ugly and no doubt given an edhge on eco conscious.
Lastly, I have never put money into a Motability car and never would, based on getting sweet FA at the end, but if I were to buy a Tucson or other Kia/Hyundai off the scheme, I would put a inline switch to isolate the speaker responsible for those bings and bongs, which would be difficult under Motability. As you say its standard equipment is second to none, let down by it implementation of EUropean directives.
@kezo Utilising some free time between my two extended test drives, I had a trip around various dealerships today (thankfully all in the same area) to look at the direct competitors to the X5. I didn’t drive anything, but simply wanted to see if any of the obvious alternatives appealed more based on (in particular) interiors and desirability. Thoughts as follows;
Porsche Cayenne – The thing that surprised me the most was that it felt significantly smaller when sat in the front than the X5. It also seems to be lower, and the glass area is narrower (visibility from the X5 was brilliant). There was notably better legroom in the back though, but that’s not a factor for us. The interior seemed a bit bland compared to the X5, and the infotainment screen is built into the dash, so much lower than the BMW version that sits higher so is easier to use when driving. I have no doubt that it will be a better drivers car than the X5, but I didn’t feel ‘wowed’ by it enough to think that I’d prefer it over the X5. However, if next weeks test drive doesn’t resolve the main issues that I had with the X5 PHEV then I might revisit and arrange a test drive.
Audi Q7 – The leather seats were nicer than the standard Sensafin (faux leather) in the X5, but didn’t have as much adjustability. There were a few more actual buttons than in the X5, which is a positive, but the exterior and interior looked quite bland and dated in comparison to the X5, which is a surprise as the X5 is in its last year of production. Seats aside, it just left me a bit cold.
Mercedes GLC / GLE – A brief visit here as the showroom is having work done and there were very few cars in it, so I had to look at used ones outside. They look a bit more exciting than the Audi (exterior and interior) but I am a bit wary about Merc’s having had an E Class company car (which I had to return early due to seat comfort issues) and a GLB loan car for a week in which the infotainment screen kept going black, which meant I had no idea what speed I was doing. If BMW styling continues to head south then I will revisit in the future, but for now I think I’d prefer an X5.
Land Rover / Range Rover – I sat in all current models, bar the Evoque (too small) and Discovery (too big). I absolutely love the look of the Defender, and it comes in some gorgeous colours, but the interior is a let down for such an expensive car. It looks and feels low rent (very plasticky) and austere. You also need a step ladder to get in! The Discovery Sport was easier to get in but didn’t excite. Range Rover Sport was the closest to the X5, but not as nice as the BMW inside (I also prefer the exterior looks of the X5). The seats were softer and more comfy than the X5, as they were in the full fat Range Rover (too big and expensive), but neither had extendable under thigh support and as I’m 6ft 2 the seats felt too shallow. As predicted, I didn’t like the Tesla like large iPad style screens (too low down) and minimalistic interiors. Then, of course, there’s the reliability concerns….
I’ve had a call from the BMW Experience team today confirming next weeks extended test in the X5 M60i, so if I fall in love with that then, subject to price negotiation, based on today’s visits I don’t think that I’ll bother to test drive any other marques. If the twin turbo V8 doesn’t wow me then I’ll consider the 40d, but I’m not sure that I desire a diesel enough to want to sink that sort of cash into one, even though it will be cheaper to run. The other big decision will be the exterior colour. If I get the M60i then I’m tempted to get Marina Bay Blue (exclusive to M cars) but Mrs Glos Guy hates it and prefers Manhattan (supposedly a metallic green, but looks more bronze / gold in sunlight). First world problems 😂
I’m pondering in disappointment if I’m honest!
Went to look at the X3 and GLB/C, so I could prod around and have a closer look myself. Talk about disappointment considering there premium segment, no carpet/felt lining in the doors, glovebox, hard plastics where there never use to be and other than somewhat better soft touch, the interiors are really no better than what we have now, unless you go for higher models, such as the 5 series (can’t help keep looking at the X5 though). What the feck is going on, I thought it was just VW going backward obviously not!
I do like Mercedes dash boards/screen, I think they just look the part. I know some of the smaller Merc’s with 1.3 petrols and some diesels were powered by Renault! However, I’ve never seen a E class based hearse broke down😂
My plans are to visit Lexus next week to look at the NX/RX hybrids?
If anyone can do a decent quality build and good hybrid, it’ll be Lexus. At least if Lexus can’t build it properly then you’re going to struggle to find one anywhere.
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I know exactly what you mean @kezo When I was in the BMW showroom today, I was sat in an X5 40d M Sport for quite a while looking at stuff, and then immediately hopped in to the new X3 M50 next to it. Aside from the fact that the X3 felt half the size (I know it isn’t, but it felt like it), the interior fit and finish was not what I’m used to with BMWs and is well behind the much older design X5 next to it. This is one reason why I’m considering the outgoing X5 in its final year, as the Neue Classe design doesn’t appeal to me and I fear that the next generation X5 will also take a step backwards in quality of materials. TBH, you can even see this deterioration in the current facelifted X5. The M Sport Pro models (and M60i) have black front grill slats, black lower bumper sections front and rear and black side vent plates, all of which look great but when you examine them they are cheap plastic.
I think that with the onslaught of cheap Chinese brands, European manufacturers are starting to reduce build quality to compete with them, on the basis that if consumers are looking for cheapness then that’s not compatible with quality.
As, like me, you are used to BMWs, if you are considering Lexus try to get a prolonged test drive. Last year a friend moved from a long standing run of Mercedes SUVs to a Lexus SUV. I didn’t like to mention to him (as I had only driven 3 Lexus cars and it was some years ago) that I found them to be soulless cars to drive, as he was very upbeat about the buying experience and the hybrid technology. When I saw him recently I asked how he was getting on with the Lexus and he said that he had got rid of it and gone back to Mercedes, as he found it to be a very boring soulless car 😂
Two questions (for @kezo and @BigDave) whilst waiting for my next X5 test drive. If I don’t get wowed by the M60i, but decide that I’m still going to get an X5 (as long as the comfort seats are better for my sciatica than the sport ones), I will opt for the 40d. I’ve done the sums and it will cost me £3k more than the 30d, but I will get pretty much all of that difference back at resale, so it would be rude not to! My questions are as follows;
@kezo I’m down to only around 9,000 miles a year now, hence why diesel hasn’t been top of my list. I’m also mindful of potential dpf issues. Once a week I do a 20 mile (each way) motorway run at around 75mph. Other journeys are usually 12 miles each way, of which 8 are on the motorway. Will the 20 miles each way at 75mph be sufficient to prevent any dpf issues? A Google AI search says yes, but I know that you are knowledgeable about these things.
@BigDave I’ve had a few diesel 5 Series saloons, including a 2010 530d company car, and remember it being a decent sounding engine, especially when giving it some beans! Unfortunately my local BMW dealer doesn’t have a 40d X5 demonstrator. Would you describe the engine sound from your X6 40d as being ‘still obviously a diesel’ or, along with the combination of the sports exhaust (that I’d have on the M Sport Pro), does it have more of a ‘meaty’ sound? It might seem like a daft question, but I hate diesels that sound like diesels, as our last few VW diesels did, and I want a car that sounds good, whilst we are still allowed to enjoy them!@kezo I’m down to only around 9,000 miles a year now, hence why diesel hasn’t been top of my list. I’m also mindful of potential dpf issues. Once a week I do a 20 mile (each way) motorway run at around 75mph. Other journeys are usually 12 miles each way, of which 8 are on the motorway. Will the 20 miles each way at 75mph be sufficient to prevent any dpf issues? A Google AI search says yes, but I know that you are knowledgeable about these things.
You do regular trips on the motorway consisting of both short (50 miles) and long visiting a friend. Also passive regen is better these days compared to when DPF’s first came out. Never had a problem in my 20d and as long as for the majority of journey, the cars at operating temp your unlikey to have have a problem.
@kezo I’m down to only around 9,000 miles a year now, hence why diesel hasn’t been top of my list. I’m also mindful of potential dpf issues. Once a week I do a 20 mile (each way) motorway run at around 75mph. Other journeys are usually 12 miles each way, of which 8 are on the motorway. Will the 20 miles each way at 75mph be sufficient to prevent any dpf issues? A Google AI search says yes, but I know that you are knowledgeable about these things.
You do regular trips on the motorway consisting of both short (50 miles) and long visiting a friend. Also passive regen is better these days compared to when DPF’s first came out. Never had a problem in my 20d and as long as for the majority of journey, the cars at operating temp your unlikey to have have a problem.
Thanks. The longer journeys to see friends are very infrequent in the winter months, and 20 miles each way on the motorway (plus 8 miles each way on A & B roads at the beginning and end) is as much as I do for several months, hence my question, but it sounds as though I needn’t worry. Thankfully I don’t do lots of short journeys, which I know aren’t good for diesels.
Frequent nipping to the corner shop and back won’t do it any good, as they need to be run at operating temperature when in use. 60 mile round trip with the bulk at motorway speeds should keep the gremlins away.
I do 20 miles round trips localish taking doughter back and forth and never had an issue in the 20d inbetween going on a longer rub to see family.
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With my bu44ered hearing, I am perhaps not the best person to ask re engine noise. Although I can tell the X6 from a New Holland! I can also tell it apart from the similarly BMW engined Ineos Grenadier as that has much less sound absorption and has very different vehicle dynamics. Overall, the X6 40d is certainly no tractor and I wouldn’t describe it as ‘agricultural’ in any way.
Infact a few passengers have questioned whether the X6 40d was a petrol or diesel, so that might give you an indication.
As for dpf issues, my X6 was (and the new one will) be used as a sort of ‘Sunday best’ vehicle. I use the similarly engined Grenadier more on a day to day basis and for shorter runs.
I would say the X6 got a run out once per fortnight. Usually down to say Northallerton or Harrogate. (45/65 miles return trip) on a mix of country roads/A roads. The only time it did longer runs was when my brother in law borrowed it to tour Scotland, or my runs to/from Heathrow, maybe 3 or 4 times per year. I never had any dpf problems.
As I said, the Grenadier has almost the same BMW engine and gets used for shorter runs and very occasional long run (although currently being used for everything). Again, no dpf issues at all.
Many thanks @BigDave and @kezo From both of your very helpful replies I am reassured that my usage, even in the winter when I don’t do as many longer runs, shouldn’t cause dpf issues. This gives me a further option should the petrol version not work out. Unfortunately BMW have dropped the 40i (3.0i 6 cylinder version) from the X5 in the U.K. and if you want a petrol (my preference) then it’s the 4.4 V8 version only. I’ve done my calculations on the V8 returning 23mpg, which I can live with especially as the bigger discount and higher residual value on that variant wipes out the higher running costs, but if my extended test drive shows that I’m more likely to be down in the teens then I think I’d look to the 40d instead.
Another, albeit a bit daft, consideration is colour. The M60i can be had in a very striking Marina Bay Blue, but I can’t get that colour in the 40d as it’s restricted to M and M Lite models only. My only reservation is that it might not look right on such a big car. Thankfully the one I’m testing this week is in this colour, so I can see for myself, as I’ve never seen an X5 in this colour on the road, or at a dealers. If I get the 40d my wife has a strong preference for Manhattan, which is a chameleon like sparkly colour, described as a green but, depending on the light, varies from khaki to bronze to gold to grey! Due also to the wheels that suit each colour best, the two cars look entirely different. My wife and both my daughters prefer the Manhattan one, so it may be a boy / girl thing 🤣
Two questions (for @kezo and @BigDave) whilst waiting for my next X5 test drive. If I don’t get wowed by the M60i, but decide that I’m still going to get an X5 (as long as the comfort seats are better for my sciatica than the sport ones), I will opt for the 40d. I’ve done the sums and it will cost me £3k more than the 30d, but I will get pretty much all of that difference back at resale, so it would be rude not to! My questions are as follows; @kezo I’m down to only around 9,000 miles a year now, hence why diesel hasn’t been top of my list. I’m also mindful of potential dpf issues. Once a week I do a 20 mile (each way) motorway run at around 75mph. Other journeys are usually 12 miles each way, of which 8 are on the motorway. Will the 20 miles each way at 75mph be sufficient to prevent any dpf issues? A Google AI search says yes, but I know that you are knowledgeable about these things. @BigDave I’ve had a few diesel 5 Series saloons, including a 2010 530d company car, and remember it being a decent sounding engine, especially when giving it some beans! Unfortunately my local BMW dealer doesn’t have a 40d X5 demonstrator. Would you describe the engine sound from your X6 40d as being ‘still obviously a diesel’ or, along with the combination of the sports exhaust (that I’d have on the M Sport Pro), does it have more of a ‘meaty’ sound? It might seem like a daft question, but I hate diesels that sound like diesels, as our last few VW diesels did, and I want a car that sounds good, whilst we are still allowed to enjoy them!
Whilst my hearing and sound perception isn’t optimal, the 40D is certainly very refined and certainly not ‘tractor like’ noise wise. I can certainly tell the difference between an X6 40d and a New Holland! I can even tell it apart from the similar BMW engine in the Grenadier due to less noise absorbant material in the Grenadier along with its vehicle dynamics.
Infact the X6 40d is pretty refined and a couple of passengers occasionally asked if it was a petrol or diesel. I suppose under very hard acceleration you can tell, but in normal driving, to me it is not discernable. However, I rarely drive vehicles with petrol engines.
As for dpf problems. Mine was (and the new one will again) be used as a sort of ‘Sunday best’ vehicle. By which I mean it was/will be parked up in one of the farm sheds and given a weekly or fortnightly run out. Probably down to the cattle mart in Northallerton or Thirsk (40/50 miles round trip on country roads). The similar engined Grenadier does a lot more shorter runs without issue.
The X6 only got really long runs when either my brother in law borrowed it to tour Scotland, or I was going to/from Heathrow three or four times per year. Never had an dpf issues at all.
Thanks for the video @kezo Unfortunately it’s the pre facelift model, which is a different engine setup. Following the 2023 facelift, the all engine variants are now mated with a mild hybrid setup and different emissions setup, which has changed the noise of the cars. Added to that, the 40d doesn’t have the BMW Sport Exhaust system unless you opt for the Pro pack. The car in the video does. As with diesel BMWs that I’ve had, you can tell it’s a diesel from outside in that video, but inside I suspect that you wouldn’t be able to tell, as @BigDave reports.
The change is even more stark in the V8 version. The pre facelift version (M50i) had a BMW ‘N’ series V8 engine (non-M version) and owners of the X5M (which had an M Division ‘S’ series engine) complained that the M50i had louder exhaust crackles and pops than the full fat X5M! Following the facelift the replacement M60i (which I’m testing this week) now has an M Division S series V8 but mated with a mild hybrid system and is apparently muted compared to the previous M50i. As a result, now the M60i owners aren’t happy!
Thanks again @kezo I’d previously seen the Sytner review of the 40d, as there are very few reviews of that model. Most YouTube reviews seem to be from the US, where they don’t sell diesel X5’s, but at least I was able to find loads of reviews of the M60i, which is quite common there due to their lower fuel prices and love of V8s, whereas that model is as rare as hens teeth in the U.K. (for the opposite reasons). I like the Sytner reviews (he does a good one on the M60i in Marina Bay Blue as well) but I’m conscious that he works for a BMW dealer so you have to keep that in mind. I’d love that Mora Individual colour on their 40d, but I’m damned if I’m paying over £5k just on paintwork!
The last review you posted was interesting and I hadn’t seen it, possibly because I haven’t been considering the 30d. The 30d engine is more powerful nowadays than the version I had in my 2010 530d 5 Series, but given the vast weight of the X5 I’d want the extra 54bhp and additional turbo charger of the 40d, especially as the fuel economy is the same. On that note, it was fascinating to see the fuel economy at a steady cruise at varying speeds. There’s no getting away from the fact that you can tell it’s a diesel from outside and even inside when idling (although he may have had the door or a window open) but under acceleration, from the few reviews I’ve found, it sounds decent. One of the options that I’d add is acoustic glass (triple glazing) so, in reality, I think I’m worrying unnecessarily. That said, it won’t sound like the V8, but I may find that the Active Sound Design (artificial enhancement to compensate for the mild hybrid neutering) is too much and the diesel could be the compromise. I’m now picking up the M60i tomorrow afternoon and have it until Saturday morning, so plenty of time to decide if it’s the perfect one for me, or too much. Engines aside, the seat comfort will also be a key decider.
Torque is more important on a diesel than bhp, of which the 30d has a maximum torque of 670Nm of and 0-62 in 6.1s.
The 40d a maximim torque of 720Nm and 0-62 in 5.5s
In the real world, there is not much seperating them and the 30d mild hybrid has become more powerful than the 40d no hybrid generation.
The earlier late 22/23 years alo also mild hybrid and apart from the letter code engine specs remain the same, with the electric motor producing 200Nm of the torque available.
Understood, and the 30d is still a damned good car, but given the weight of the X5 I’d rather have the extra power, torque and turbo charger of the 40d (especially if weighing up a diesel against the M60i) and, as previously mentioned, the fact that I’d get back pretty much all of the additional cost at resale makes it a no brainer for me.
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