- November 13, 2023 at 5:28 pm #243397
How can Cameron, who has not been elected as an MP, become a Cabinet Minister?
Surely can’t be right!!
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They will find a way to circumnavigate their way around what everyone else would think was a prerequisite.
desperate times, desperate measures I suppose.November 13, 2023 at 5:49 pm #243401
I’m surprised Labour is so slow on pointing it out!November 13, 2023 at 5:56 pm #243403AndyParticipant
Welcome to the Conservatives, they do whatever the hell they like.November 13, 2023 at 5:58 pm #243404
Today, current prime minister Rishi Sunak announced his predecessor would be given a peerage to enable him to return to front line politics for the first time in seven years and be his foreign secretary.
What a load of cockles!November 13, 2023 at 6:06 pm #243405DafyddParticipant
Where theres a will theres a way. They have made “Dave” a life peer which allows him to join the government. Dont see it having any great effect on the result of the next election as its for Labour to lose rather than the Tories to win.November 13, 2023 at 6:09 pm #243406POPSModerator
If I designed a UK government very few of the ministers (if any) would be politicians. I would put together a group of acknowledged ‘experts’ who were at the top of their particular areas of ‘expertise’ and pay them salaries commensurate with their high level of experience and abilities. They would be answerable to a voluntary panel of “the great and the good”, people who have demonstrated by their actions over an extended period of time that they have the best interests of the people of the UK as their top priority.
I would love to see a genuinely united effort to do the very best for all of us together, rather than continue with the destructive and divisive two party political system …. No more childish name calling based on whether you’re in the ‘Blue or Red’ party.
Would it work? Or am I being naive believing in the best of people?November 13, 2023 at 6:47 pm #243412November 13, 2023 at 6:52 pm #243414POPSModerator
Cheers keso.November 13, 2023 at 11:05 pm #243440CallmejohnParticipant
Irrespective of anybody’s politics, imagine multiplying this situation by ten and you could end up with the key government minsters running the country who were not elected by the people and consequently not answerable to the people, with the people effectively powerless to get rid of the individuals.
It cannot be good for the country to allow any individual at the top to be allowed to just draft in their cronies to run the country like a private firm.November 14, 2023 at 12:32 am #243450
its for Labour to lose rather than the Tories to win.
They managed last time – prior to Corbyns announcement that he would allow a second Brexit referendum, they had the last election waiting for them. Lots of informed opinions came to the conclusion that the “working class” or less wealthy were much more likely to have voted leave than the wealthier, and generally, it’s accepted that the working classes are more pro-labour while the more affluent tend to lean towards the convervatives.
He could have said “I know this is what a lot of the people who support me wanted but I’m going to ignore them anyway” as a campaign slogan.
"Man is born in freedom, but he soon becomes a slave, in cages of convention, from the cradle, to the grave."November 14, 2023 at 2:40 am #243453
On another note, I, personally would have been much more annoyed about Cameron being back if he’d lost an election/vote and been actively thrown out by the general public, but as he chose to leave, it’s a little less of an issue for me.
"Man is born in freedom, but he soon becomes a slave, in cages of convention, from the cradle, to the grave."November 14, 2023 at 9:03 am #243473jossModerator
Sir Lindsay Hoyle. The speaker of the house of commons, is on the case,and seeking advice from his clerks on how Cameron can be held accountable to the house of commons MP’s.
Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle has taken a swipe at Rishi Sunak over his appointment of David Cameron to the Foreign Office.
Hoyle said he has commissioned advice from parliamentary officials to ensure the Foreign Office’s work is scrutinised “effectively” by MPs given new Foreign Secretary David Cameron will sit in the House of Lords.
The Speaker said it is “especially important” the House of Commons is able to scrutnise the work of the Foreign Office, given the “gravity” of the “current international situation.
Hoyle told MPs: “This is not the first time in recent years that a Cabinet minister has been appointed in the House of Lords, but given the gravity of the current international situation, it is especially important that this House is able to scrutinise the work of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office effectively.
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"Men fight for liberty & win it with hard knocks. Their children brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves" - D.H. LawrenceNovember 14, 2023 at 10:40 am #243494JojoeParticipant
I think we are heading for proportional representation. Labour members want it, the unions want it, the Lib Dems want it even Labour mayors want it. Having a single party in power governing for their own little group is not good for the country. I voted against it when we had the referendum during the coalition government. I’d certainly vote and even campaign for it now.November 14, 2023 at 11:50 am #243515BigDaveParticipant
How can Cameron, who has not been elected as an MP, become a Cabinet Minister? Surely can’t be right!!
It is not the first time someone has been placed into the Cabinet via way of being given a Peerage.
Gordon Brown, when PM did exactly the same in 2008 when he parachuted Peter Mandelson into the Cabinet by way of giving him a peerage.
Maggie appointed a Peer to the Cabinet back in 1979 when she appointed Lord Carrington the Foreign Secretary.
Going back even further, the UK almost ended up with a Prime Minister who was a Lord – it was a toss-up between Lord Halifax (who was Foreign Secretary) or Winston Churchill for PM when Neville Chamberlain was forced to resign as PM back in 1940. Fortunately, Churchill became PM and the rest is history…………..
So, there is plenty of historic precedence for a Peer to be sat around the Cabinet table.November 14, 2023 at 12:25 pm #243525
I was under the underestanding, it took several weeks for a new member is announced before their actual appointment in the House of Lords, then a title has to be agreed and legal documents must be prepared.
From what I have seen king Charles has hastily-awarded life peerage, handing him the “dignity of a Barony of the United Kingdom for life” enabling him to enter the Lords and swiftly take up the cabinet role.
Crooks, all of them!November 15, 2023 at 11:18 am #243736iantoParticipant
Well after Cameron helped a Company called Greensill screw the Treasury of Millions of our cash there was No way he would get in to the House of Lords. However Rishie has used this to get him in through the Back Door and he hopes to get the same reward. It’s Grab What you can time now. The Beginning of the END.November 15, 2023 at 11:20 am #243737iantoParticipant
And is Greensill an issue for you. ?December 3, 2023 at 2:03 pm #250733
its for Labour to lose rather than the Tories to win.
They managed last time – prior to Corbyns announcement that he would allow a second Brexit referendum, they had the last election waiting for them.
Figured he’d find a way! Now Starmer is saying positive things about Thatcher. Do these people never learn from the mistakes of others? Praising Thatcher is a sure-fire way to annoy the hell out of a lot of people in Labour strongholds. A post I saw on google said something about trying to appeal to traditionally conservative voters but he really needs to NOT lose the traditionally Labour voters in the process.
Now don’t get me wrong here, I’m well aware that Thatcher did do a LOT of good things when in office. I’m absolutely not a die-hard Labour supporter but I’m very much NOT in favour of the current government for a host of reasons specific to policies and actions. If I had to put myself in a “camp” I’d put myself as a left-leaning centrist. I absolutely believe it is our moral duty to take care of those UNABLE (not unwilling) to take care of themselves, but I also believe in the free market – if you’re willing (and able) to work harder then you absolutely should have more as a result.
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