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Must be the cheap stuff.
For sure it was a Shell garage I passed, where I used to buy my fuel. When I had eclectic cars.
They always run better and had greater mpg when using the high octane stuff, it offset the higher price.
I use local Esso, ts cheaper than supermarkets here.
My lawnmower / strimmer uses Aspen 102 Ron about £30 5l!
I was passing a fuel station and saw that petrol was £1.50/L and Diesel was £1.71/L? Has the price gone up? I cant remember it ever being as high as that?
You obviously don’t watch the news? 🤔😉
The war that Trump has started in the Middle East sent oil prices rocketing by around 50%. They have since eased back but are still higher than they have been for some time. Fuel prices have gone up as a result but it’s inconsistent and there seems to be some profiteering going on.
The petrol station in our village is usually very reasonable. For years it was 1p per litre cheaper than the supermarkets, even though the nearest cheap supermarket fuel is 14 miles away. It was taken over a year ago and is now around 1p per litre more expensive, but I still use them as it’s more convenient. However, I’ve been watching prices there over the last week;
Up until just over a week ago, unleaded had been 127.9p per litre and diesel 1.379p.
Last Thursday it went up by 1p to 128.9p and 138.9p.
Last Friday it went up 2p to 130.9p and 140.9p. At this point I filled up with unleaded, even though I still had half a tank, as I could see where it was going. Glad I did because on Sunday I noticed that it had gone up to;
Petrol 142.9p and diesel 159.9p. That’s 15p more for unleaded and 22p more for diesel than it had been the previous week, with the premium for diesel having increased from 10p more than unleaded to 17p.
As fuel prices drive inflation and cost of living pressures, Trump has now realised that he’s shot himself in the the foot in a year with mid-term elections, so has stated that the war will soon be over and (although it’s not been as widely reported here as it should be) he has lifted sanctions on Russian oil, plus the G7 have discussed releasing oil reserves and a few other things, all of which are settling the markets and causing oil prices to calm down..
However, as we know, fuel prices are quick to rise at the first sign of an issue, but slower to fall when that issue is resolved, and some profiteering is likely to continue.
And Badenoch and Farage both think that pumping more oil out of the NS onto the world wholesale markets will bring the price of Oil/Gas down…. and make the UK safe from these sorts of spikes whenever wars kick off.
And Badenoch and Farage both think that pumping more oil out of the NS onto the world wholesale markets will bring the price of Oil/Gas down…. and make the UK safe from these sorts of spikes whenever wars kick off.
errr….. well it would! Price is driven by demand and supply. As demand is fairly constant, supply is the main determining factor. With 20% of world oil passing through the Straights of Hormuz, which is currently closed, the price has risen. Increased supply from areas unaffected by war will reduce prices.
Rachel Reeves is currently giving evidence to a Commons Select Committee on what they are looking to do to calm things, including oil prices, but I just cannot listen to the woman. It’s bad enough when she reads from a script, but when answering questions she is unable to string a sentence together without a dozen ‘um’s in it;
”We are, um, looking, um, to, um, through the G7, um, uh, release, um, surplus oil, er, um, to, um, help, um ……”
FFS. The woman needs voice coaching on how to speak in public. The dalek like delivery, that she shares with Starmer, doesn’t help either 😡😡
Yup, prices are pretty volatile, looks like its gonna be a rollercoaster for everyone.
That crazy prices on motorway services Big Dave…
Price varies in our area Tesco £131.9 diesel £1.44.9 some station charging diesel nearly £1.74.9 litre, M6 toll Road unleaded £1.70.9 diesel £182.9, super unleaded £189.9 premium diesel £1.98.9
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I remember when the Ukraine war started we were driving down to Cornwall for a week, unleaded was around £1.29 in Sainsbury’s in the Northwest of England when I filled up on the Thursday. Sainsbury’s in Penzance on Monday was £1.49 on Friday Sainsbury’s in Helston Cornwall was £1.62! I don’t understand how oil that’s already been bought goes up in price, the refineries must buy their oil weeks if not months in advance.
Enyaq EV
Telegraph obviously think its only BP however, her from accounts said she will not tollerate price gouging, but, has she got the answer!
No leave the gouging to her, she’s better at it.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Well I’ve no idea what’s going on at our local petrol station (Esso, not BP). As mentioned, it had jumped to 142.9p for unleaded and 159.9p for diesel on Sunday, but today unleaded has dropped 4p to 138.9p but diesel only 1p to 158.9p. I don’t remember the last time that diesel was 20p per litre more than unleaded!
Must be the cheap stuff. For sure it was a Shell garage I passed, where I used to buy my fuel. When I had eclectic cars. They always run better and had greater mpg when using the high octane stuff, it offset the higher price.
Interesting. BMW suggest that the car I have ordered runs best on Shell V-Power. I’m considering using that for the first 1,200 miles run in period, then using Tesco Momentum Super Unleaded, with every 4th refuel being Shell V-Power. However, the supplying BMW dealer tells me that they use standard unleaded on all their cars, including full fat M cars, but I had read some user reviews on line that they get better performance and mpg from using the more premium fuel, which helps offset the additional cost. That seems to chime with your experience. @kezo I always value your views on these things.
I was passing a fuel station and saw that petrol was £1.50/L and Diesel was £1.71/L? Has the price gone up? I cant remember it ever being as high as that?
We tend to have short memories!
The price peaked in July 2022, when the average price of diesel was £1.99 with unleaded at £1.91.
I guess a lot of people were staying at home but I was a key worker in a petrol station so I remember it (and the abuse) very well 😆
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The bioethanol content regulations “was” based on upto % and once upon a time in the not so distance past, you could fill up with E10 95 RON and feel confident you were getting E5 97/99 RON, if you new the fuel station got its fuel from 2 of the UKs ethanol plants (hence one reason for me using Esso), however Starmer fecked that up with the US trade deal and the agreement to imort US stuff.
Plenty of youtube video’s and info out there
Thanks @kezo I’ve just watched both videos and, being thick when it comes to technical issues, I didn’t really follow it all.
On his leaderboard he has Shell V-Power first and Tesco Momentum second, but the former had 2.5% ethanol, whereas Momentum had 4% which he implied was poor, but I’ve no idea what that all means.
With the X5 variant I am getting, BMW recommend Shell V Power as it’s a high performance engine, but you can use any super unleaded and in fact regular unleaded, whilst not necessarily recommended, can apparently be used without causing any problems (and the BMW dealer just use that on all their high performance cars). I don’t need to worry about maximising performance, as the car has more than plenty of it, but as it’s heavy on fuel I might get some of the fuel cost premium back in better mpg according to owners.
The 3 choices that I have for petrol, which I could mix and match, are (using last weeks prices);
Shell V-Power £1.499 per litre
Tesco Momentum £1.389 per litre
Esso E10 regular unleaded £1.309 per litre (this is in my village – the garage doesn’t sell Esso Super Unleaded)
I am thinking of using Shell V-Power for the run in period, then Tesco Momentum thereafter, with every 4th refuel using Shell V-Power, but having the regular Esso unleaded as a fall back in an emergency. Given what BMW recommend for the engine, the cost differences above and what the chap on the videos discovered, does this sound sensible to you, or would I be wasting money? Thanks in advance.
Thanks @kezo I’ve just watched both videos and, being thick when it comes to technical issues, I didn’t really follow it all. On his leaderboard he has Shell V-Power first and Tesco Momentum second, but the former had 2.5% ethanol, whereas Momentum had 4% which he implied was poor, but I’ve no idea what that all means. With the X5 variant I am getting, BMW recommend Shell V Power as it’s a high performance engine, but you can use any super unleaded and in fact regular unleaded, whilst not necessarily recommended, can apparently be used without causing any problems (and the BMW dealer just use that on all their high performance cars). I don’t need to worry about maximising performance, as the car has more than plenty of it, but as it’s heavy on fuel I might get some of the fuel cost premium back in better mpg according to owners. The 3 choices that I have for petrol, which I could mix and match, are (using last weeks prices); Shell V-Power £1.499 per litre Tesco Momentum £1.389 per litre Esso E10 regular unleaded £1.309 per litre (this is in my village – the garage doesn’t sell Esso Super Unleaded) I am thinking of using Shell V-Power for the run in period, then Tesco Momentum thereafter, with every 4th refuel using Shell V-Power, but having the regular Esso unleaded as a fall back in an emergency. Given what BMW recommend for the engine, the cost differences above and what the chap on the videos discovered, does this sound sensible to you, or would I be wasting money? Thanks in advance.
Think of it another way you washing machine manufacturer will likely recommend Areiel but you may use Aldi with no adverse effects!
If you look over the pond to the US to try and make more sense of european Research Octane Number (RON), where RON is a measure to withstand compression without causing engine knocking. In the US they use (RON+MON)/2 formula, known as the Anti Knock Index (AKI) to measure octane ratings.
If we search the 60i AKI number, it comes up with an AKI of 91 or higher and recommended 93 if your going to max out its performace. 91 AKI converts to 95 RON E10 (regular unleaded) or E5 (premium unleaded). 93 AKI converts to 97 RON, which both Momentum and V Power exceed.
Whats actually happened is both Momentum and V Power now contain 4% and 2.5% ethanol, which in itself ethanol has high in octane, so over all there will a negligible difference in advertised RON. Whilst not as good as prior to the trade deal as you can see from the tests, V power is 95 RON with etanol removed, where as previously it had been tested at 100/101 RON from just petrol with no ethanol content. It is what it is and as a side effect of the US trade deal, there not alot we can do!
The disadvantage to ethanol is it binds moisture and can increase the amount of water water in fuel and lead to corrosion however, nearly all cars manufactured post 2010 are designed to run on 15% ethanol (E15).
Fuels like Momentum, V Power and Ultimate will normally tout the fuel containts extra detergents, which can help keep the engine cleaner, reduce carbon buildup… Shell is big on marketing of this however, regular fuel contains detergents.
So from that essay, I agree with dealer in that your car will happily run on regular unleaded but I’d run it on premium unleaded E5 or the cheapest of Tesco, BP or Shell super unleaded (BP Ultimate 97 RON) and do a 4:1 as you suggested or ut the odd bottle of Redex etc in every now and again. Its not as though your going to tickle its full potential on a daily basis.
Thanks @kezo That’s very useful. I’m not going to buy a car like that and worry about running costs, but if I decide that I’m going to keep the car long term then I want to give the engine the best chance of a trouble free life!
I’ve read a lot of stuff on this issue this evening (since my earlier post) and Tesco Momentum seems to get very good reviews, with Shell V-Power being deemed better again but primarily due to additional additives, which chimes with what you are saying.
I’m not going to have the car until the summer, so hopefully fuel prices will have settled by then 😂
Is this a serious question?
There’s a war on in the major oil producing countries of the world. How could you not know that.
Thanks @kezo That’s very useful. I’m not going to buy a car like that and worry about running costs, but if I decide that I’m going to keep the car long term then I want to give the engine the best chance of a trouble free life! I’ve read a lot of stuff on this issue this evening (since my earlier post) and Tesco Momentum seems to get very good reviews, with Shell V-Power being deemed better again but primarily due to additional additives, which chimes with what you are saying. I’m not going to have the car until the summer, so hopefully fuel prices will have settled by then
Momentum99 – supplied by Shell and Greenergy (part owned by Tesco),
V Power – supplied by Shell and Greenergy
Shell & Greenergy co-0wn facilties (part owned by Tesco) that produce Tesco Momentum 99 import and store the same base petroleum as V Power, They are both 99 ron minimum in the UK. There are secret detergents and additives and octane boosters added and Ethanol.
Shell the glamorous one with its red flashy brandy and a marketing department happily tell you that V-Power has more detergents than a box of washing powder and is derived from the same technology they use in Formula 1, which is al very impressive until you remember that F1 cars get rebuilt after every race. Whils’t Tesco the dark horse of the premium fuel world are more interested marketing a bargain on tinned beans, whilst quitely promising big performance and high RON numbers, all for less money than the other big names. Make of that what you will!
Esso Supreme- produced by Exxon Mobil, with ethanol added to it (depending on which part of the UK you are in). A marketing department who promises double detergent additives & a friction modifier similar to Shell. Also supplied by Greenenergy in some parts and premium E5 97.
BP Ultimate 97- Prduced by BP, with ethanol added and marketing department who will shout its the best, taking care of engine more than others. BP’s game isn’t about brute power, having gone for a different angle. Ultimate is packed with additives they call Active(s), which actively work to scrub out nasty carbon deposits in your engine, like a magical brush for all 8 cylinders. Perhaps best known as the caretaker fuel that too over 5years to develop.
I’l await to see more testing as time goes on to understand the full impact of the trade deal, giving it time to settle down and what parts of the country are affected most, rather than taking one off’s as the happy nedium. 1,5% ethanol difference is negligible between the two tested and within upto 5% total allowed. Personally I’d run it on the cheapest of the premium fuels you can get locally.
Thanks @kezo The cheapest premium fuel for me is always going to be Tesco Momentum and, thankfully, it’s not a huge amount more than regular unleaded – and in fact considerably cheaper than regular diesel currently is 😂 I can buy it from a Tesco Extra that is near the physio centre that I take my wife to each week, so easy to obtain without going out of my way.
I don’t pass any BP garages on my regular journeys, but I’ve just checked them out on petrolprices.com and it’s even more expensive than Shell V-Power 😱 I pass a Shell Garage once a week, so that’s also easy to obtain, but it’s 13p per litre more than Tesco Momentum.
Are there any issues (advantages or disadvantages) of chopping and changing between say Tesco Momentum and Shell V-Power? In other words, is it better to use Tesco Mometum 100% of the time rather than every 4th top up using Shell V-Power?
Are there any issues (advantages or disadvantages) of chopping and changing between say Tesco Momentum and Shell V-Power? In other words, is it better to use Tesco Mometum 100% of the time rather than every 4th top up using Shell V-Power?
There all within the ballpark of each other so it doesn’t matter what you use.
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